Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

murasaki1393 wrote:

happygolucky wrote:As far as the relationship between Josh and Andi goes ... I think I wrote the same as you. The fact that she doesn't want to give him "a satisfaction" of some sort of reassurance and trust ... is like you saying about her guard being up.

I'm mostly concerned and interested how the relationship with Nick will play out. Because now something needs to change between them. (even if we support the idea of Josh being F1 - the change needs to come) Nick was going after Andi - yes, but with her push, she (with the producers) carefully decided where and when to place him for all the dates, (not)gave him the roses as an input (whether to do something for the next time - telling him that she didn't like smth - or that she liked something he did in that particular week) Beside, she was aware that she was putting a lot of pressure on Nick, regarding his relationship with other men in the house (yes, she knew she was making him a target) ... and still he came to her ... it was more of a cat-and-mouse game between them, when the roles sometimes reversed and you didn't know who is the hunter and who is hunted.

to me, the fact that Andi gave Nick the HTD rose is an epitome of she is still 'chasing' Nick. as Nick said in his PI : she could easily gave it to the other 3 guys--who all only got one 1-1 date--yet she still gave it Nick, the only guy who just had his second 1-1.  

IMO Andi giving Nick that rose screams producer interference to me. It served 2 purposes. It caused drama with the other 3 guys and it makes Nick feel all the more secure of Andi's feelings. If Nick has studied past seasons he knows that the F1 or the F1 and F2 get one on one's the week before HTD's. If he expressed this out loud I can definitely see TPTB throwing him a bone in the shape of a rose.

rosesrREd wrote:Adding to the mystery.  Whenever you go and watch the Nick's plane video on You Tube, the advertisement prior to the video, is SalesForce, ironically the same company Nick works for

   When I viewed to the plane video I got an ad for an upcoming major motion picture.

I'm pretty sure Youtube ads are tailored to the specific viewer. They are based on sites and things that you have looked at online.

I get an Irish ad for orange juice.

i didn't get any ads hehe (international problems) still its funny thats what you got

Regarding the plane video....isn't Kmart a client of SalesForce as well?

I am starting to get a weird feeling about all of this and I am back on the idea of it being a spoof but now I am getting to think there may be other reasons as to why. If you believe the video is a spoof, the popular theory is that Nick is really F1 and they did it to throw RS off. Being team Nick, I'd obviously love that to be the case BUT his edit and his post-show relationships with Cody, Josh and Marcus give me pause here. He is still close to Chris and Brian and Marquel so it may be just personality clashes but what bothered me was that Marcus and Brian were basically accusing Nick of playing a game and not be there for the right reasons. Why are they showing this particular wording. I would have been less worried had they just been mad that Nick was too cocky or taking extra time with Andi but Marcus and others were hinting that there was more. Every year we have someone who is there for not the right reasons - can Nick be that person? Is the implication going to be (and this would be based on the storyline they are currently showing for Nick not what I think of Nick in real life) Nick went on the show to promote his company and is making sure he gets his name out there by doing so many things (spending extra time with Andi, making comments about the other guys that encourage the villain edit and more face time.) I really don't know and as a Nick fan I really hope that is not the case. Did Nick with the help of Salesforce and encouragement of TPTB make the video and send it to RS? I guess Nick's edit over the next shows, will show us what is up.

Another option, are we still sure Nick is F2? Maybe the reason TPTB have allowed that video to get out there (whether or not Nick was the one responsible for it) is that it supports the spoiler that Josh is F1 when in fact (I know Jodi fans will point to SM and post-filming clues but anything can look like a clue if it supports what you want it to), Chris is F1. Just think of it as Team Josh and Team Nick debate amongst themselves who Andi was with July 4, it was Chris all along. Read JBF's editing clues, Brian and Kat Hurd's comments about Chris as F1 and Chris' own accessibility to media where he talks about the main obstacle between him and Andi was where he lives and different lifestyles, does not sound as if he was not feeling it with Andi. I am speculating a lot here, but does Marcus (I am thinking when she is telling him goodbye, he may say something to her about Nick) or one of the other guys remaining tell Andi that Nick is not to be trusted and Nick is the one she sends packing prior to the FS date next week. That may be why we don't see any screencaps either - because the popular theory is that Josh and Nick are the F2 when in fact they are not!

Thanks to listening to my ramblings, still Team Nick, but trying to think outside the box..

I love thinking outside the box! 
Thanks for sharing.  

For me is very hard to believe in possibility of Chris being F1 because I haven't seen the chemistry as I've seen with Josh or Nick. And if only at the HTD things change .. dunno, a bit too late I think to get into the same game. As for the video and Salesforce connection, I don't see it, to me the add doesn't appear. Now, it is possible that someone says something about Nick to Andi and they might have the discussion mentioned in the video, when Nick leaves her with her convictions and that could also be a possibility of him being F3 or F2.
All I know is that Andi is really good at keeping two guys close, so that both have fallen in love with her, while she ...
Because yes, I believe in Nick's sincere feelings, what I want to see though is the outcome of HTD ... can't wait for tonight (for me next morning).

Although what "bugs" me is Marcus' statement, that Nick would leave if he comes to F2 ... they left that comment (together with D*word) for a purpose ... would like to know why?

happygolucky wrote:For me is very hard to believe in possibility of Chris being F1 because I haven't seen the chemistry as I've seen with Josh or Nick. And if only at the HTD things change .. dunno, a bit too late I think to get into the same game. As for the video and Salesforce connection, I don't see it, to me the add doesn't appear. Now, it is possible that someone says something about Nick to Andi and they might have the discussion mentioned in the video, when Nick leaves her with her convictions and that could also be a possibility of him being F3 or F2.
All I know is that Andi is really good at keeping two guys close, so that both have fallen in love with her, while she ...
Because yes, I believe in Nick's sincere feelings, what I want to see though is the outcome of HTD ... can't wait for tonight (for me next morning).

Yes, you're right, it's not that I don't believe in Nick's feelings, I just don't trust TPTB!  I am the type of person who tends to think of the worst case scenario and then I can let myself be pleasantly surprised when it comes to pass.  I think now that spending too much time on the other threads is probably not helping matters.  The thing with Chris worries me because I do think they are hiding him for a reason and playing up the other two guys too much this season.  I have to admit I would be disappointed if Chris was F1 only because they overplayed their hand hiding it with Andi if that's the case.

Back to Nick, I believe in Nick's feelings for Andi, I just have doubts about Andi's feelings and also TPTB with their edit of Nick that is worrisome.

I don't think Nick is leaving on his own, ignoring the video, he thinks Andi is other missing half.

I do not think he leaves on his own either.

oh isittrue ... me too, I doubt in Andi, have no idea what she really thinks and the edit can do a trick on all of us ... so even I don't know how it's gonna end ...
though the Nick's edit is giving me some hope, that there will be a change, that might surprise everyone. Then again the plane video is very real to me (though I try to believe that it doesn't mean what we think it means) and supports one of my theories where Josh indeed is a frontrunner from the start and Andi just in love in the feeling of Nick's love. But then there are genuine moment with her and Nick where those theories fall flat, so I'm confused ...
and then I go back being positive, because it's better to contain that till the end than go crazy thinking about the rebus.

Salesforce is a $1BB annual revenue public company, which sells Software as a Service (hosted solution) to major US companies to help them manage their internal sales. It is fanciful to speculate that ad placement on the "Nick plane video" is driven by any mechanism or intentionality other than automated interest-based-advertising tracking / ad-serving procedures, driven by cookies on the end user's equipment (i.e., based upon their browsing and other online behaviors). There would be hundreds of Salesforce sales reps around the country at his level. IMO, Nick being on The Bachelorette would not be interesting to sales/marketing function because this is a B2B business (not a consumer/retail brand).