Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Plane Vid - Discussion - *Spoilers*

It's like "fill in the blanks". I wonder if "You don't think I" was Nick's response to Andi's accusation that Nick really didn't love Andi, that Nick really was in it for a game of strategy. And, Nick's response was, "I disagree." Anyway, I wonder what Andi was referring to.

  it is interesting that part ... he doesn't want to argue or explain himself, justify himself (in case he's accused of something) ... which to me is a big   ... how come   thoughts?
(Nick is always in good graces for me ... but still that is one interesting conversation to have)

eirekay wrote:

Cecilia wrote:We don't know. I have a feeling she might tell him pre Final rose to spare him the humiliation of proposing. Or she will interrupt him before he has a chance to propose.

ITA.  In the video Nick says "“And I just kept saying it, just cuz I wanted…you know…and I said to her, I’m like ‘You don’t think I…’ and then, you know, instead of arguing with her I said, ‘You know what? I disagree.’ And I just left it at that…You know, I didn’t try to change her mind, I’m just like, ‘I disagree.’"

This sounded to me like a conversation that took place before the FR and not a conversation that would take place after a proposal was just turned down.

I have a feeling(pure speculation) that these broken phrases are going to take place when she says "it's not you, it's me. What I have with someone else is more."  
What he is going to disagree with is how much he thinks they have and how could it be otherwise and there is no convincing her. So he can disagree, but there is not much he can do about it.

Isn't that also around the time that he also said that she went with what she is used to .. Ie: meaning Josh

Kashathediva wrote:

eirekay wrote:

Cecilia wrote:We don't know. I have a feeling she might tell him pre Final rose to spare him the humiliation of proposing. Or she will interrupt him before he has a chance to propose.

ITA.  In the video Nick says "“And I just kept saying it, just cuz I wanted…you know…and I said to her, I’m like ‘You don’t think I…’ and then, you know, instead of arguing with her I said, ‘You know what? I disagree.’ And I just left it at that…You know, I didn’t try to change her mind, I’m just like, ‘I disagree.’"

This sounded to me like a conversation that took place before the FR and not a conversation that would take place after a proposal was just turned down.

I have a feeling(pure speculation) that these broken phrases are going to take place when she says "it's not you, it's me. What I have with someone else is more."  
What he is going to disagree with is how much he thinks they have and how could it be otherwise and there is no convincing her. So he can disagree, but there is not much he can do about it.

I agree plus he also mentions that she seemed to change her mind at the last minute. So I don't think she calls him out on anything, it's just a typical FRC rejection and the usual F2's shock that he is not F1.

ironcat wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

janeh810 wrote:I think Nick is confident he is F1.  So, he may be setting himself up for being really stunned if he is the F2 and Fleiss wants drama.  So, forget about TPTB holding back so that feelings are spared.  Just doesn't happen on this show.  Josh and Andi talked about their greatest fear being getting rejected.  So, I think Josh and Andi might spare each other the heartache ahead of time, even to the point that Josh is F3.  Really!  Now, I don't remember if the greatest fear talk was in a deleted scene.  Was it?  There may be good reason why it was deleted, if it was, for the reason I mention.  

janeh, I remember it to, it might have been a deleted scene.  I love Nick's salt humor and get his over analyzing behavior, but he has fallen into the classic forgetting that just because he doesn't see it, she still might be having great relationships with other men too.  I think when you feel so crazy about someone and they seem to feel it back, it is hard to imagine that it could be happening with anyone else.  An unfortunate by product of the show.  

Now as far as all the F4, they all look good on SM right now, so what ever the bubble had induced they seem over it pretty quick.  

I may have to make my new siggie is it July 28th yet?  Another reason to not like Andi, her finale is going to overshadow my own birthday!  :giggle: 

Yep, overconfidence kills on this show, and it's also usually a sign of not winning.  Makes me think of Ashley's season, where Ben was presented as so confident, telling NL how he was definitely getting engaged, while JP (who mind you, had already been told by Ashley that she loved him) was shown to be still nervous even through LCDs.

Funny, Chris was actually incredibly confident last season too. Not shown to cocky levels, just cause that isn't Chris and his expression or manner, but he knew he loved her and could make her happy and how gives a care that 9 days before I proposed to her that she told another man that she wanted to marry him and that she was going to have to leave because without him it was over for her. Not spliced and diced the actual words said out of Des's mouth the Brooks the day he left. I was shocked that Chris didn't care, but he didn't and his confidence in himself and his feelings for her worked out pretty good in that case. Nikki actually had that cocky confidence last season too, to the point of being pretty cocky like Nick is perceived to be.

Times and the edit on this show, they are a changing.

SueSt wrote:

ironcat wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

janeh, I remember it to, it might have been a deleted scene.  I love Nick's salt humor and get his over analyzing behavior, but he has fallen into the classic forgetting that just because he doesn't see it, she still might be having great relationships with other men too.  I think when you feel so crazy about someone and they seem to feel it back, it is hard to imagine that it could be happening with anyone else.  An unfortunate by product of the show.  

Now as far as all the F4, they all look good on SM right now, so what ever the bubble had induced they seem over it pretty quick.  

I may have to make my new siggie is it July 28th yet?  Another reason to not like Andi, her finale is going to overshadow my own birthday!  :giggle: 

Yep, overconfidence kills on this show, and it's also usually a sign of not winning.  Makes me think of Ashley's season, where Ben was presented as so confident, telling NL how he was definitely getting engaged, while JP (who mind you, had already been told by Ashley that she loved him) was shown to be still nervous even through LCDs.

I think Nick is confident in his actions, vulnerable in his feelings - at least around Andi ...  different from Ben, I think.  I see that he keeps looking for validation from her... and so far, she's done nothing but encourage him.  It will be interesting to see if if/how this changes in upcoming epidodes...

This I agree with too. But, I can see when he says that he doesn't imagine that she could have as good of a relationship with anyone else, he believes that the feelings she shows him, she wouldn't show anyone else. Unfortunately, most leads do show those feelings to more than one person. I am not blaming him, I would probably do the same thing as Nick, but I do think while she was falling for Nick, she was falling for Josh too.

From the transcript of what Nick said (thanks for that!), I don't think it's clear where and when the conversation with Andi took place, be it at the FRC or before. But one thing for sure, it does NOT sound like he was repeating a script that the person on the other end was telling him, with all the "likes" and "you knows" and interrupted phrases/pauses; if someone was feeding him lines, it would sound more like coherent "dialogue" does in the movies IMO.

happygolucky wrote:True true and true ... all the posts above ...
the "problem" I see (the way i perceive it and this is what i wrote in non-spoiler thread) is that Josh was the 1st one from the start ... she fell for him first and the question is ... did she start falling for Nick too?
Now something I've analyzed over the last days, her expressions and behavior .. and the conclusion is: she feel in love at the feeling she had being around Nick/with Nick, but she didn't fall in love with Nick.

interesting point Happy... I could see this.

stuckinsc wrote:

ironcat wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

janeh, I remember it to, it might have been a deleted scene.  I love Nick's salt humor and get his over analyzing behavior, but he has fallen into the classic forgetting that just because he doesn't see it, she still might be having great relationships with other men too.  I think when you feel so crazy about someone and they seem to feel it back, it is hard to imagine that it could be happening with anyone else.  An unfortunate by product of the show.  

Now as far as all the F4, they all look good on SM right now, so what ever the bubble had induced they seem over it pretty quick.  

I may have to make my new siggie is it July 28th yet?  Another reason to not like Andi, her finale is going to overshadow my own birthday!  :giggle: 

Yep, overconfidence kills on this show, and it's also usually a sign of not winning.  Makes me think of Ashley's season, where Ben was presented as so confident, telling NL how he was definitely getting engaged, while JP (who mind you, had already been told by Ashley that she loved him) was shown to be still nervous even through LCDs.

Funny, Chris was actually incredibly confident last season too.  Not shown to cocky levels, just cause that isn't Chris and his expression or manner, but he knew he loved her and could make her happy and how gives a care that 9 days before I proposed to her that she told another man that she wanted to marry him and that she was going to have to leave because without him it was over for her.  Not spliced and diced the actual words said out of Des's mouth the Brooks the day he left.  I was shocked that Chris didn't care, but he didn't and his confidence in himself and his feelings for her worked out pretty good in that case.  Nikki actually had that cocky confidence last season too, to the point of being pretty cocky like Nick is perceived to be.

Times and the edit on this show, they are a changing.

I can't remember a F1 guy ever getting an edit of being overconfident, can anybody else? It happens with the F1 women, but IMO they don't want their leading lady to end up with a very unlikeable F1. The only 2 who came close were Jesse and Ed, and neither one was portrayed as overconfident, or got as bad an edit as Nick is getting, although I'm sure the producers could have done it had they wanted to.

Chris may have been confident last season, but it didn't come across as bragging or unlikeable, and since Brooks dropped out anyway, there really was no F2 showdown, so it was a completely different situation at the end.

happygolucky wrote:True true and true ... all the posts above ...
the "problem" I see (the way i perceive it and this is what i wrote in non-spoiler thread) is that Josh was the 1st one from the start ... she fell for him first and the question is ... did she start falling for Nick too?
Now something I've analyzed over the last days, her expressions and behavior .. and the conclusion is: she feel in love at the feeling she had being around Nick/with Nick, but she didn't fall in love with Nick.

IMO, I think Andi saw Nick's wonderful qualities. And, she admitted she loved his "strategy". I think Josh and she had a lot more in common (religion, Atlanta residences, etc.) and that made falling in love, for Josh and Andi, easier.

ironcat wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

ironcat wrote:

Yep, overconfidence kills on this show, and it's also usually a sign of not winning.  Makes me think of Ashley's season, where Ben was presented as so confident, telling NL how he was definitely getting engaged, while JP (who mind you, had already been told by Ashley that she loved him) was shown to be still nervous even through LCDs.

Funny, Chris was actually incredibly confident last season too.  Not shown to cocky levels, just cause that isn't Chris and his expression or manner, but he knew he loved her and could make her happy and how gives a care that 9 days before I proposed to her that she told another man that she wanted to marry him and that she was going to have to leave because without him it was over for her.  Not spliced and diced the actual words said out of Des's mouth the Brooks the day he left.  I was shocked that Chris didn't care, but he didn't and his confidence in himself and his feelings for her worked out pretty good in that case.  Nikki actually had that cocky confidence last season too, to the point of being pretty cocky like Nick is perceived to be.

Times and the edit on this show, they are a changing.

I can't remember a F1 guy ever getting an edit of being overconfident, can anybody else?  It happens with the F1 women, but IMO they don't want their leading lady to end up with a very unlikeable F1.  The only 2 who came close were Jesse and Ed, and neither one was portrayed as overconfident, or got as bad an edit as Nick is getting, although I'm sure the producers could have done it had they wanted to.

Chris may have been confident last season, but it didn't come across as bragging or unlikeable, and since Brooks dropped out anyway, there really was no F2 showdown, so it was a completely different situation at the end.

Well, actually many, many on this board found Jef to be cocky, arrogant and overconfident.