Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #4

[SueSt]

Yes I do disagree. At the end of the day - they're Nick's words and his voice. People will say everything is sliced and diced. While I agree to some extent, in this instance it seems like all of his words flowed continuously. In my opinion, it's quite easy to tell when editing has chopped things up and in that preview.. It didn't seem like it was. The only thing I've seen Sharleen say about slicing and dicing words is that they would take certain things she said, but would place them during something else. I haven't seen her say that they take certain words, cut other things out, and then add other words.

But like I said, the real reason for my posts were more so pertaining to the issue of saying every negative thing that comes out of Nick's mouth is due to editing. If that's the case, then all of the other guys should get this free pass too. Like others have voiced their opinions about Nick's image being because of editing, I was just voicing mine

Hi, Ash:
I like your posts because I think they are balance  and you try to be objective, so I hope you don't think I am directly this at you  Just try to express how I feel.
Anyway, I don't think any of us Nick fans feels every negative thing out of his mouth is due to editing, at least I never said that. In fact, I have posted I don't like him sneaking out to see Andi and I think his " I'm going to marry you" at that point was crazy. I feel that Nick is being attacked the most out of the remaining guys and is labeled names that I don't think he's deserved. So, as his fan, I definitely want to defend him with facts, and hope I do it in a calm and respectful way.
I hope you continue to post and even if we may disagree, we will still voice our opinions   

nice post sdmom! :-)

[Cecilia]

I apologize for asking, but...

What is the difference between this thread and the Nick "Fan" thread. Is here where people have licence to say mean things about him?

Perhaps I'm over-thinking this.   

Basically.

[Bet2Win]

I apologize for asking, but...

What is the difference between this thread and the Nick "Fan" thread. Is here where people have licence to say mean things about him?

Perhaps I'm over-thinking this.   

All opinions are welcome in the contestant threads; the fan threads are limited to positive opinions only.

[Guest]

  

[sbolduc]

Yes I do disagree. At the end of the day - they're Nick's words and his voice. People will say everything is sliced and diced. While I agree to some extent, in this instance it seems like all of his words flowed continuously. In my opinion, it's quite easy to tell when editing has chopped things up and in that preview.. It didn't seem like it was. The only thing I've seen Sharleen say about slicing and dicing words is that they would take certain things she said, but would place them during something else. I haven't seen her say that they take certain words, cut other things out, and then add other words.

But like I said, the real reason for my posts were more so pertaining to the issue of saying every negative thing that comes out of Nick's mouth is due to editing. If that's the case, then all of the other guys should get this free pass too. Like others have voiced their opinions about Nick's image being because of editing, I was just voicing mine

Good post, Ash you always have a very balanced viewpoint.

I agree Nick is not innocent in this whole thing, I mean look at the video of him going to the front desk, what a joke. He knew that was a complete fabrication, he isn't dumb and he willingly played along.

I guess my thing is, despite everything we have seen thus far, there is nothing to me that shows he was malicious, cruel, vindictive or not genuine. Do I think he deserves the guys being pissed off at him, yes to a certain extent. But I don't think he also deserves to be called what he is being called on twitter, SM and everywhere else.

[4health]

Yes I do disagree. At the end of the day - they're Nick's words and his voice. People will say everything is sliced and diced. While I agree to some extent, in this instance it seems like all of his words flowed continuously. In my opinion, it's quite easy to tell when editing has chopped things up and in that preview.. It didn't seem like it was. The only thing I've seen Sharleen say about slicing and dicing words is that they would take certain things she said, but would place them during something else. I haven't seen her say that they take certain words, cut other things out, and then add other words.

But like I said, the real reason for my posts were more so pertaining to the issue of saying every negative thing that comes out of Nick's mouth is due to editing. If that's the case, then all of the other guys should get this free pass too. Like others have voiced their opinions about Nick's image being because of editing, I was just voicing mine

Good post, Ash you always have a very balanced viewpoint.

I agree Nick is not innocent in this whole thing, I mean look at the video of him going to the front desk, what a joke. He knew that was a complete fabrication, he isn't dumb and he willingly played along.

I guess my thing is, despite everything we have seen thus far, there is nothing to me that shows he was malicious, cruel, vindictive or not genuine. Do I think he deserves the guys being pissed off at him, yes. But I don't think he also deserves to be called what he is being called on twitter, SM and everywhere else.

So if he is manipulated to go sneak to Andi's room, via this video….could he be manipulated to make a foiler video about the end of this via the airplane video?

[Jen15]

Yes I do disagree. At the end of the day - they're Nick's words and his voice. People will say everything is sliced and diced. While I agree to some extent, in this instance it seems like all of his words flowed continuously. In my opinion, it's quite easy to tell when editing has chopped things up and in that preview.. It didn't seem like it was. The only thing I've seen Sharleen say about slicing and dicing words is that they would take certain things she said, but would place them during something else. I haven't seen her say that they take certain words, cut other things out, and then add other words.

But like I said, the real reason for my posts were more so pertaining to the issue of saying every negative thing that comes out of Nick's mouth is due to editing. If that's the case, then all of the other guys should get this free pass too. Like others have voiced their opinions about Nick's image being because of editing, I was just voicing mine

Good post, Ash you always have a very balanced viewpoint.

I agree Nick is not innocent in this whole thing, I mean look at the video of him going to the front desk, what a joke. He knew that was a complete fabrication, he isn't dumb and he willingly played along.

I guess my thing is, despite everything we have seen thus far, there is nothing to me that shows he was malicious, cruel, vindictive or not genuine. Do I think he deserves the guys being pissed off at him, yes. But I don't think he also deserves to be called what he is being called on twitter, SM and everywhere else.

So if he is manipulated to go sneak to Andi's room, via this video….could he be manipulated to make a foiler video about the end of this via the airplane video?  

YES!  

[julychild]

That moment when you stealthily and cleverly try to convince everyone that you support someone other than your obvious favourite...

[Kashathediva]

Yes I do disagree. At the end of the day - they're Nick's words and his voice. People will say everything is sliced and diced. While I agree to some extent, in this instance it seems like all of his words flowed continuously. In my opinion, it's quite easy to tell when editing has chopped things up and in that preview.. It didn't seem like it was. The only thing I've seen Sharleen say about slicing and dicing words is that they would take certain things she said, but would place them during something else. I haven't seen her say that they take certain words, cut other things out, and then add other words.

But like I said, the real reason for my posts were more so pertaining to the issue of saying every negative thing that comes out of Nick's mouth is due to editing. If that's the case, then all of the other guys should get this free pass too. Like others have voiced their opinions about Nick's image being because of editing, I was just voicing mine

Good post, Ash you always have a very balanced viewpoint.

I agree Nick is not innocent in this whole thing, I mean look at the video of him going to the front desk, what a joke. He knew that was a complete fabrication, he isn't dumb and he willingly played along.

I guess my thing is, despite everything we have seen thus far, there is nothing to me that shows he was malicious, cruel, vindictive or not genuine. Do I think he deserves the guys being pissed off at him, yes. But I don't think he also deserves to be called what he is being called on twitter, SM and everywhere else.

So if he is manipulated to go sneak to Andi's room, via this video….could he be manipulated to make a foiler video about the end of this via the airplane video?  

Heck yeah. I would think so. I would. It's almost like a huge spoof. 
That doesn't mean I think it is a foiler. I'm trying to keep my mind open to all options.
I will reserve judgement until I can see the scs for the FD/LC etc.

[Ash2214]

Yes I do disagree. At the end of the day - they're Nick's words and his voice. People will say everything is sliced and diced. While I agree to some extent, in this instance it seems like all of his words flowed continuously. In my opinion, it's quite easy to tell when editing has chopped things up and in that preview.. It didn't seem like it was. The only thing I've seen Sharleen say about slicing and dicing words is that they would take certain things she said, but would place them during something else. I haven't seen her say that they take certain words, cut other things out, and then add other words.

But like I said, the real reason for my posts were more so pertaining to the issue of saying every negative thing that comes out of Nick's mouth is due to editing. If that's the case, then all of the other guys should get this free pass too. Like others have voiced their opinions about Nick's image being because of editing, I was just voicing mine

Good post, Ash you always have a very balanced viewpoint.

I agree Nick is not innocent in this whole thing, I mean look at the video of him going to the front desk, what a joke. He knew that was a complete fabrication, he isn't dumb and he willingly played along.

I guess my thing is, despite everything we have seen thus far, there is nothing to me that shows he was malicious, cruel, vindictive or not genuine. Do I think he deserves the guys being pissed off at him, yes. But I don't think he also deserves to be called what he is being called on twitter, SM and everywhere else.

Thank you! I certainly don't think Nick is an awful guy either, up until recently I really liked him on the show. Now, I find him a bit too arrogant, but that doesn't mean I strongly dislike him, especially not in the real world. I agree that without a doubt editing is involved. They clearly pounced on Nick because apparently he was a bit unassuming and went along with everything. However, the fact that he so easily goes along with things that do somewhat paint him in a not so great light, kind of show that he just didn't care. In the end, I strongly stand by the fact that these are Nick's words and actions. No one held a gun to his head and forced him to do it. He went along with it and at least during the time living together for almost two months, it irked some of the guys too. We can blame editing for some of the things Nick does and says, but not all of it. Otherwise all of the other guys should get a free pass, in my opinion.

[Ash2214]

Yes I do disagree. At the end of the day - they're Nick's words and his voice. People will say everything is sliced and diced. While I agree to some extent, in this instance it seems like all of his words flowed continuously. In my opinion, it's quite easy to tell when editing has chopped things up and in that preview.. It didn't seem like it was. The only thing I've seen Sharleen say about slicing and dicing words is that they would take certain things she said, but would place them during something else. I haven't seen her say that they take certain words, cut other things out, and then add other words.

But like I said, the real reason for my posts were more so pertaining to the issue of saying every negative thing that comes out of Nick's mouth is due to editing. If that's the case, then all of the other guys should get this free pass too. Like others have voiced their opinions about Nick's image being because of editing, I was just voicing mine

Good post, Ash you always have a very balanced viewpoint.

I agree Nick is not innocent in this whole thing, I mean look at the video of him going to the front desk, what a joke. He knew that was a complete fabrication, he isn't dumb and he willingly played along.

I guess my thing is, despite everything we have seen thus far, there is nothing to me that shows he was malicious, cruel, vindictive or not genuine. Do I think he deserves the guys being pissed off at him, yes. But I don't think he also deserves to be called what he is being called on twitter, SM and everywhere else.

So if he is manipulated to go sneak to Andi's room, via this video….could he be manipulated to make a foiler video about the end of this via the airplane video?  

You absolutely bet he could have been. It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit. Production would also need to get Andi and Josh to participate.

[4health]

Yes I do disagree. At the end of the day - they're Nick's words and his voice. People will say everything is sliced and diced. While I agree to some extent, in this instance it seems like all of his words flowed continuously. In my opinion, it's quite easy to tell when editing has chopped things up and in that preview.. It didn't seem like it was. The only thing I've seen Sharleen say about slicing and dicing words is that they would take certain things she said, but would place them during something else. I haven't seen her say that they take certain words, cut other things out, and then add other words.

But like I said, the real reason for my posts were more so pertaining to the issue of saying every negative thing that comes out of Nick's mouth is due to editing. If that's the case, then all of the other guys should get this free pass too. Like others have voiced their opinions about Nick's image being because of editing, I was just voicing mine

Good post, Ash you always have a very balanced viewpoint.

I agree Nick is not innocent in this whole thing, I mean look at the video of him going to the front desk, what a joke. He knew that was a complete fabrication, he isn't dumb and he willingly played along.

I guess my thing is, despite everything we have seen thus far, there is nothing to me that shows he was malicious, cruel, vindictive or not genuine. Do I think he deserves the guys being pissed off at him, yes. But I don't think he also deserves to be called what he is being called on twitter, SM and everywhere else.

So if he is manipulated to go sneak to Andi's room, via this video….could he be manipulated to make a foiler video about the end of this via the airplane video?  

Heck yeah. I would think so. I would. It's almost like a huge spoof. 
That doesn't mean I think it is a foiler. I'm trying to keep my mind open to all options.
I will reserve judgement until I can see the scs for the FD/LC etc.

I remember reading in the beginning when the airplane video came out, I questioned it. There were plenty of posters that expressed that Nick was so sweet etc. that he couldn't be that easily manipulated. Well, six weeks in and I think he is that easy to manipulate and this new video of the hotel is a prime example. Does that mean the airplane video is a foiler? NO but I still question to many things about it. That airplane video is either proof that Josh is F1 or it proves that Nick is easily manipulated and it was a foiler campaign video taped by someone of tptb and if so, then Nick is F1 or even F2 or F3….it still proves nothing. Where are our SC?

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