Re: The Bachelorette 10 - Videos- Youtube - *Spoilers* - Discussion - Thread #2

[luvlady345]

For a guy who's supposed to be so intelligent and mature he sure does make a lot of social media "mistakes".  How flimsy do his excuses have to be before people start seeing through them?   He's a mean girl.  He mocked Cody in the house and preyed on the guys whose relationships with Ande he saw as inferior to his.  More and more I believe his edit was closer to the truth than I thought.

FTR, I've never retweeted or favorited anything by mistake.  That's kind of hard to do since the favorite star turns orange when you click on it.  It's kind of hard to miss.

I agree   

[happygolucky]

I see Nick. I see his mistakes, his flaws, I see him owning his faults and apologizing once he realizes that he might have hurt someone, I see him facing the problem that he creates or that comes his way with respect and dignity and I see him not only explaining his own position and point of view, but also understanding and empathizing with other people around him, not blaming them for feeling the way they feel, but comprehends their stand and situation they are in.
I would love to see more people be that open and non judgmental, as Nick is.

So I guess I can honestly say, that I see him and I like what I see.

... and I don't see him making any excuses ... what I do see is him taking responsibility for his actions, not hiding from the critics and not pretending to be what he's not or being falsely modest, when he is feeling confident as anyone in that given position would be.

I don't blame the edit, I don't think Nick blames the edit, the only "disappointment" can be in how people decide to judge without giving the benefit of a doubt and make a conclusion of what the truth must be, solely upon seeing the edited version of his 90°.

[pander3575]

For a guy who's supposed to be so intelligent and mature he sure does make a lot of social media "mistakes".  How flimsy do his excuses have to be before people start seeing through them?   He's a mean girl.  He mocked Cody in the house and preyed on the guys whose relationships with Ande he saw as inferior to his.  More and more I believe his edit was closer to the truth than I thought.

FTR, I've never retweeted or favorited anything by mistake.  That's kind of hard to do since the favorite star turns orange when you click on it.  It's kind of hard to miss.

You are certainly better than I am scrolling on my phone because I did 4 yesterday and didn't notice at first. I'm willing to give Nick benefit of the doubt that it happened accidently. I hope he blocked that person.

[luvlady345]

LOL, this is rich it's call an opinion and everyone has one.... If some people think it's a mistake that he pocket fav that tweet so be it's your opinion , but I personal don't and that's my opinion.... We really need to take a step back that's the beauty of the world everyone doesn't have to agree and that is not being judgmental that's just being your own person with a mind of your own....

[happygolucky]

“Is he good? Or is he bad? That's the only thing I ask nowadays. And as I grow older—I'd swear this on the last crust I eat—I feel I shan't even go on asking that! Whether a man's good or bad, I'm sorry for him, for all of 'em. The sight of a man just rends my insides, even if I act as though I don't care a damn! There he is, poor devil, I think, he also eats and drinks and makes love and is frightened, whoever he is: he has his God and his devil just the same, and he'll peg out and lie as stiff as a board beneath the ground and be food for worms, just the same. Poor devil! We're all brothers! All worm-meat!”
― Nikos Kazantzakis, Zorba the Greek

ETA:
Opinion: "A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof" ...

I'm fine with an opinion. personal view point, belief, whatever it is ... as my definition of judgment is criticism and "An opinion or estimate formed after consideration or deliberation, especially a formal or authoritative decision"

[ThankMeLater]

Sneak peak of the men tell all. The video is called Marquel confronts Andi.

http://abc.go.com/shows/the-bachelorette/video

[Piper61]

Ugh. Those videos never want to lead for me on my iPad.

[Guest]

For a guy who's supposed to be so intelligent and mature he sure does make a lot of social media "mistakes".  How flimsy do his excuses have to be before people start seeing through them?   He's a mean girl.  He mocked Cody in the house and preyed on the guys whose relationships with Ande he saw as inferior to his.  More and more I believe his edit was closer to the truth than I thought.

FTR, I've never retweeted or favorited anything by mistake.  That's kind of hard to do since the favorite star turns orange when you click on it.  It's kind of hard to miss.

ITA Cinde!! No longer buying the "tptb manipulated me I need a hug" act from him.  
I'm hoping he will be a gentleman and show more tact on atfr.

[Alanna]

Sneak peak of the men tell all. The video is called Marquel confronts Andi.

http://abc.go.com/shows/the-bachelorette/video

Thanks for posting. She is so spunky!

[Longhornfan]

“Is he good? Or is he bad? That's the only thing I ask nowadays. And as I grow older—I'd swear this on the last crust I eat—I feel I shan't even go on asking that! Whether a man's good or bad, I'm sorry for him, for all of 'em. The sight of a man just rends my insides, even if I act as though I don't care a damn! There he is, poor devil, I think, he also eats and drinks and makes love and is frightened, whoever he is: he has his God and his devil just the same, and he'll peg out and lie as stiff as a board beneath the ground and be food for worms, just the same. Poor devil! We're all brothers! All worm-meat!”
― Nikos Kazantzakis, Zorba the Greek

ETA:
Opinion: "A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof" ...

I'm fine with an opinion. personal view point, belief, whatever it is ... as my definition of judgment is criticism and "An opinion or estimate formed after consideration or deliberation, especially a formal or authoritative decision"

Happy, I guess what I find the most interesting about this whole fiasco with Nick is that people like me who don't go out on twitter (and who don't have a clue how it all works) would never even know about that particular tweet getting "the favorite" button unless someone who follows him on twitter saw it and reported it here.

It is like these guys from the show are a bunch of lab rats in a maze.  They are being watched 24/7 and are either being rewarded for good behavior, or they are receiving an electric shock if they don't perform their duties to the satisfaction of those overlooking the lab experiment, with Nick particularly being their main number one lab rat this season.  IMO Nick has received the most negativity on this show, mainly because of that leaked video that some how ended up in the hands of RS.  That opened him up to being constantly scrutinized to the nth degree because of what he said on the tape that sounded negative regarding the outcome of the show and the "spoiled" ending.

But, what I find the most interesting is how Nick's explanation of what happened is being received.  I have not seen the actual tweet, but I get the idea that he said that it was mistake - that he put his phone in his pocket with that particular tweet still on his screen.  I would guess that that is equivalent of "butt dialing", which I understand also happens, even though it has never happened to me.  Therefore, his explanation is getting SOME acceptance that he is telling the truth, even if it would have been more plausible if he had just said that he mistakenly hit the "favorite" button.

But, not so quick.  Lab rat Nick is also receiving some electric shocks as well, because he is OBVIOUSLY lying.  That could never happen.  FOR ME, this show is literally like watching a social experiment (with humans) take place, and it never ceases to amaze me.  Or maybe it is actually more like the movie Hunger Games.  All I know is that it sure is hard to watch people's lives and reputations get torn apart on this show, even if they did sign up for it.  And it is also amazing to me that after all the seasons of TB, the producers can still find quality guys (like this group of guys) who are actually willing to sign up for this and be put through this torture.

[stuckinsc]

“Is he good? Or is he bad? That's the only thing I ask nowadays. And as I grow older—I'd swear this on the last crust I eat—I feel I shan't even go on asking that! Whether a man's good or bad, I'm sorry for him, for all of 'em. The sight of a man just rends my insides, even if I act as though I don't care a damn! There he is, poor devil, I think, he also eats and drinks and makes love and is frightened, whoever he is: he has his God and his devil just the same, and he'll peg out and lie as stiff as a board beneath the ground and be food for worms, just the same. Poor devil! We're all brothers! All worm-meat!”
― Nikos Kazantzakis, Zorba the Greek

ETA:
Opinion: "A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof" ...

I'm fine with an opinion. personal view point, belief, whatever it is ... as my definition of judgment is criticism and "An opinion or estimate formed after consideration or deliberation, especially a formal or authoritative decision"

Happy, I guess what I find the most interesting about this whole fiasco with Nick is that people like me who don't go out on twitter (and who don't have a clue how it all works) would never even know about that particular tweet getting "the favorite" button unless someone who follows him on twitter saw it and reported it here.

It is like these guys from the show are a bunch of lab rats in a maze.  They are being watched 24/7 and are either being rewarded for good behavior, or they are receiving an electric shock if they don't perform their duties to the satisfaction of those overlooking the lab experiment, with Nick particularly being their main number one lab rat this season.  IMO Nick has received the most negativity on this show, mainly because of that leaked video that some how ended up in the hands of RS.  That opened him up to being constantly scrutinized to the nth degree because of what he said on the tape that sounded negative regarding the outcome of the show and the "spoiled" ending.

But, what I find the most interesting is how Nick's explanation of what happened is being received.  I have not seen the actual tweet, but I get the idea that he said that it was mistake - that he put his phone in his pocket with that particular tweet still on his screen.  I would guess that that is equivalent of "butt dialing", which I understand also happens, even though it has never happened to me.  Therefore, his explanation is getting SOME acceptance that he is telling the truth, even if it would have been more plausible if he had just said that he mistakenly hit the "favorite" button.

But, not so quick.  Lab rat Nick is also receiving some electric shocks as well, because he is OBVIOUSLY lying.  That could never happen.  FOR ME, this show is literally like watching a social experiment (with humans) take place, and it never ceases to amaze me.  Or maybe it is actually more like the movie Hunger Games.  All I know is that it sure is hard to watch people's lives and reputations get torn apart on this show, even if they did sign up for it.  And it is also amazing to me that after all the seasons of TB, the producers can still find quality guys (like this group of guys) who are actually willing to sign up for this and be put through this torture.

Longhornfan, this post is awesome and as a scientist the lab rat analogy is great to me!

Let me just say, my boss who has two mac laptops, a nano as his watch and an iPhone, butt dials me at least once a week. I don't call my boss. If I have an issue I will text or email, so it isn't like it even returns my missed call. Each and everytime I call him back and it is opps, phone if pocket it must have dialed you. Now I am not an apple person, but since his wife and son call him at least ten times per day, yes I have counted. I don't know how his phone randomly dials me, except as a B last name I am possibly first on his contact list? So yup, crap happens. Advanced technology allows us to make mistakes.

Maybe Nick did favorite the tweet about r to Josh and punching Andi and then removed it when told. I guess to me, he removed it and apologized, so I accept that. I haven't seen anything homophobic about Nick, so yeah, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

I don't hate first or want to believe the worst first. Some of you do, go ahead enjoy.

[luvlady345]

You know what I find more amazing is that poster who has obviously watched this show for many, many season find that fans or non fans monitor these people twitter, FB or IGs it has been done for every season it's one of the tools people use to sleuth... What is also amazing that people forget when their fav is not the popular one how it is that people may not have the same opinion as you do of your non popular fav....

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