Bachelorette 10: Edit-Storyline - *SPOILERS* - should we bother? Oooohhhh... why not? part 2

cindebugg wrote:

happygolucky wrote:Cindebugg ...
I can agree with you that Josh does everything right, that he is perfect guy for Andi that they are probably happily together ..

but in my book, Nick has done nothing wrong ... even with this edit, they don't show me "his wrong-doing" but just other people's perception and negative attitude towards him ... as the edit would be telling me "we all hate him, you must too" ...

and I don't see why should I?

I would be more than thrilled if a guy would pursue me with such a persistence and dedication, honesty (because to me he is being honest), desire to get to know me better, to see me as much as possible, wanting to kiss me, touch me, ...
of course, if I would like the guy myselfand I don't think Andi is opposed to his advances, actually she pretty much encourages him with her actions and words (giving him roses and talking how much they click). So I don't see a problem.

Now I see that most people prefer the gorgeous, young and sexy Josh, with the chemistry over the roof, but I wonder are all Nick's actions/words so horrible to justify all the backlash he is getting, all the creepy names that people call him?
I wish I could say that those people writing such an awful assertion are just the teenagers who haven't experienced all the love in the world ... but we know better that that's not the case.

I see Josh pursuing her the same way as you say Nick is.  Josh just isn't pissing off the rest of the guys while he's doing it.  He's not bragging, or being pushy or strategizing.  

Yeah, the internet is a cesspool.  It breeds hate and judgements.  Unless you have a thick skin it's probably best to stay off of it. Especially twitter.

Just like I see Chris persueing her as well. IMO, I guess it all depends on whether you can see it with the other guys or not. It seems like when one has a fave, it is a lot more difficult to see what's happening with Andi and the other guys...

nd4reality wrote:Josh is good looking, good background, comes across as a man of principle and faith and seems to be able to enjoy himself when not getting caught up in competition. On his own he would fare better than being in this pressure cooker contestant environment. IMO of course.

Can July 28th come soon enough ?

Well IMO, IF Josh is not F1, he would definitely be TPTB pick for the Bachelor.  His edit can work for both Bachelor and F1.  Not sure what the angles are with Chris - too invisible IMO for Bachelor and maybe too hidden (I can't entirely dismiss some of theories JBF and Max60 have pointed out in the Chris threads) for final 1.  Nick's edit is too negative for next bachelor and unless his edit improves, too negative for F1 too.

^^yeah, but I'm not saying that other guys don't pursue her ... I also don't state that I don't see the connection with someone else other than my favorite ... what I'm questioning is viewers reaction towards actions that Nick has chosen to conduct ... where he dared to go first, in-front of everyone (yes, in the guys faces), when he pushed his luck, took every opportunity to be with Andi ...

now if I put myself in Andi's shoes ... I would find that approach great, daring, but very confident and strong, showing me that you care for me, want to be with me, want to get to know me, ...

but I have a feeling that most viewers, although I assume majority are women, tend to feel more for the contestants - the guys - than the lead ...

so they are reacting, like Nick would hurt or do something wrong to them, because he didn't respect the guys.  They are reacting based on their sympathy for certain guy.
Beside ... you hear Chris and Brian say that Nick only talks about strategy ... we don't see him making the plan or strategize, they say he isn't there for right reasons, certainly not for Andi (like them) ... and now they are saying he's a genuine, honest, real guy... so I'm not saying they weren't speaking the truth back then, they were, but it was their truth, the way they saw it, since they didn't know every fact. Now they are better informed and think differently. But people who watch - they don't. But they don't even give Nick a chance of a doubt. They already put the sentence, made the verdict, that Nick is guilty of all the things that he has being accused ... proof: all the rest of the guys in the house said so.

Rest my case. He is guilty. Guilty of pissing the guys off.
With that he is guilty of pissing off all the viewers who love (adore) those guys.
I would like to hear from the fans of Andi, who don't have any preference for any guy - if Nick pisses them off too.

Regarding Chris not having enough of a storyline to be the next lead, what exactly was Sean's storyline ? I found him pretty bland on Emily's season, but he apparently was a very successful Bachelor and got good ratings. It's always about the crazy female contestants anyway with Bachelor seasons.

ironcat wrote:Regarding Chris not having enough of a storyline to be the next lead, what exactly was Sean's storyline ?  I found him pretty bland on Emily's season, but he apparently was a very successful Bachelor and got good ratings.  It's always about the crazy female contestants anyway with Bachelor seasons.

This is true. I liked Sean way better as the Bachelor than on Emily's season.

Alanna wrote:

cindebugg wrote:
That's really not a fact considering we heard about his baseball career during their first date and we haven't heard about it since.

It's entirely possible that we aren't getting a retread for next lead.  Out of Andi's top 8 the only one that I can see making a good lead is Josh but he's going to have to part with the yellow bracelet first.

The yellow bracelet and the barnacle-like Andi attached to it  But seriously, he would make an incredible lead!! I would be sooo down!

I'd say that Josh as the next lead is entirely possible...at least that 's how he's being edited. Who knows, maybe his visit to Cancun was to shoot his promo in a tropical locale??

I think TPTB are grooming Chris for the lead. It begins tonight! I actually think marcus would have been good too, but Chris will be great!!

happygolucky wrote:^^yeah, but I'm not saying that other guys don't pursue her ... I also don't state that I don't see the connection with someone else other than my favorite ... what I'm questioning is viewers reaction towards actions that Nick has chosen to conduct ... where he dared to go first, in-front of everyone (yes, in the guys faces), when he pushed his luck, took every opportunity to be with Andi ...

now if I put myself in Andi's shoes ... I would find that approach great, daring, but very confident and strong, showing me that you care for me, want to be with me, want to get to know me, ...

but I have a feeling that most viewers, although I assume majority are women, tend to feel more for the contestants - the guys - than the lead ...

so they are reacting, like Nick would hurt or do something wrong to them, because he didn't respect the guys.  They are reacting based on their sympathy for certain guy.
Beside ... you hear Chris and Brian say that Nick only talks about strategy ... we don't see him making the plan or strategize, they say he isn't there for right reasons, certainly not for Andi (like them) ... and now they are saying he's a genuine, honest, real guy... so I'm not saying they weren't speaking the truth back then, they were, but it was their truth, the way they saw it, since they didn't know every fact. Now they are better informed and think differently. But people who watch - they don't. But they don't even give Nick a chance of a doubt. They already put the sentence, made the verdict, that Nick is guilty of all the things that he has being accused ... proof: all the rest of the guys in the house said so.

Rest my case. He is guilty. Guilty of pissing the guys off.
With that he is guilty of pissing off all the viewers who love (adore) those guys.
I would like to hear from the fans of Andi, who don't have any preference for any guy - if Nick pisses them off too.

I have been watching this season, I did not like Andi on JP's season, but actually dont mind her at all this time around, I think she is doing a great job.

As for her final for men. I do not resinate with any of them. But I think they are all good guys.

This is how I see it:

Nick is her F1
Josh/Marcus F2-F3 (these two are interchangeable.)
Chris F4

I know RS says Josh is F1 and he probably is.

I really dont care for Nick at all but love his "gotta get the girl" attitude.

I dont know they are painting Nick to be the bad guy. I really dont see anything wrong with what he is doing, this is not an etiquette class, You are fighting for the girl. I think they just needed some one to be the villian and the other 3 are a bit "yawnsville" (so the edit seems)so take the cocky/confident one and roll with it.

If Marcus is let go at F4 then something had to have happened at the hometown for her to let him go. It could also be his age compared to the others. Not long til we find out.

Too bad I didnt get attached to anyone this season. But at the same time nothing is clouding my judgement.

My picks for me;

Looks:

1.Marcus
2.Chris
3.Josh
4.Nick

Personality:

1.Nick
2.Josh
3.Chris
4.Marcus

Who do I see best for Andi:

Josh or Nick.

Hope next year I have a favourite  :cutesmile!: 

thank you Nikikass for answering ... good to hear other insight of a viewer who isn't attached to "own cause".

Kashathediva wrote:

albean99 wrote:I actually think Nick's edit could be seen as a f1 edit of sorts. Fleiss likes drama and a surprise. He didn't appear to have much to work with this season since the guys all got along pretty well. He could have made Josh the villain but not if he wants him as the next Bachelor (others would argue that it's because he's f1). We know Fleiss is willing to throw the f1 under the bus when he chooses. It's possible that he decided that it's okay to have Nick be disliked that the viewers because the main thing is that they're surprised by the ending. I doubt anyone will be surprised if Andi picks Josh.

As I've said many times I think it's most likely that Josh is the f1 but there's an argument to be made for any of the f4. What is interesting to me is what they show tonight at the HTDs. Will Nick's edit be softened by us seeing his family & friends? Is Josh's edit going to make it look like he's pulling away with this or will they continue with doubt? Marcus is going to leave per the spoilers so will they leave any chance that he may return? Will Chris be shown as a potential f1 or next lead? And even more importantly - will they give us a good preview of the FDs?  

I really like your post---just wanted to say!   
As you know I love to think outside the box and the bolded sparked something in me after my 3rd cup of coffee(yes, sometimes I need it)
Clues keep popping up from Momma Murray's sm diarrhea. Maybe those are not clues for Josh being F1, but clues for the next bachelor. It certainly could be. It would be wise to help build up his image prior to the season ending and the next beginning.

I love this idea.  Josh would be a great lead.  Plus if they shoot anything having to with football I will be thrilled!  Being here in GA/SC, I know a lot of women who now that they know that there is a hot, sexy, older Murray brother would be all over that!  He is also the most obvious next bachelor to me and his edit does remind me a lot of Sean.  Kind of one dimensional on the bachelorette, but awesome in real life and on his own season.  Plus they both have strong faith too.

soccermom333 wrote:

2observe wrote:Actually, the only guy that I've heard Andi talk with about a future together before HTDs is Nick.  We heard Andi asking Nick about his style of raising kids.  To me, Andi is already seeing a future with Nick.

Oldest trick in the Fleiss handbook.  Trista did this with Charlie.  Most thought she would pick him because they talked about having kids, raising a family all the time.    

It wasn't so much about the subject of raising kids, it was the fact that they were talking about something that could relate to their future together.  We didn't hear that kind of conversation with any of the other F4, including my fav Marcus.

2observe wrote:

soccermom333 wrote:

2observe wrote:Actually, the only guy that I've heard Andi talk with about a future together before HTDs is Nick.  We heard Andi asking Nick about his style of raising kids.  To me, Andi is already seeing a future with Nick.

Oldest trick in the Fleiss handbook.  Trista did this with Charlie.  Most thought she would pick him because they talked about having kids, raising a family all the time.    

It wasn't so much about the subject of raising kids, it was the fact that they were talking about something that could relate to their future together.  We didn't hear that kind of conversation with any of the other F4, including my fav Marcus.

Tey have shown so little with Josh, who knows if they talked about that.