Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 7 - Jun 30/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

SueSt wrote:

noobsleuth wrote:See these are the reasons why I think him and Andi would OK together. If she wanted quiet and sweet she should have kept Brian or Chris longer. I still picture her as the girl who verbally berated Juan Pablo on TV and then made fun of him on Twitter when she couldn't get him to say what she wanted to hear. Neither one are professing to be angels or have intentions of softening their appearance in the eyes of other people. I'm not surprised this is how Nick is. I was more shocked at the beginning of the season when they made him seem so shy and unassuming in light of his career. I think they are a decent match, which is probably why she feels like they connect on another level and its not always for the sunshine and rainbows reasons.

I'm not trying to defend him or make excuses for his behavior, I'm saying I see similar characteristics in Andi as well.

TBH, I'm not totally thrilled with the way either relationship with her F2 is being portrayed. Either option seems doomed IMO, based on the edit.

Hi Noobsleuth, I agree with your comments about Andi looking for a little 'spice'.  Difference for me is that when there was a disagreement with Josh it led to a fight; the disagreement with Nick led to a discussion and loving resolution.  Very different responses from very different men.

I totally agree with both posts.  I think as she said in the first episode, her type hasn't worked out for her yet so maybe her type needs to change.  You can see that she appreciates how Nick will talk and analyse and get into a discourse with her about whatever she wants.  They've already talked a few things out and ANdi seems to need and want that type of a relationship.  Josh is more like a Juan Pablo communicator in a way (I am not at all comparing them as people).  She asks what he likes about her and he says I like everything about you.  She asks why she won't have heartache and he says because you won't.  She already is telling him to use different words with her and fishing for more detailed verbal communication from him.

I really think Andi is much more suited to an intellectual, analytical mild-mannered talker.  Interesting that she seems to go with her physical "take me now" attractions instead.  Maybe a defense mechanism against choosing someone who might really be a great life partner for her.

the two pics of Josh in the above screen caps during an evening time, it is the same suit and shirt, but once with tie and once open neck. Same evening but at a more relaxed time?

relaxing wrote:
I totally agree with both posts.  I think as she said in the first episode, her type hasn't worked out for her yet so maybe her type needs to change.  You can see that she appreciates how Nick will talk and analyse and get into a discourse with her about whatever she wants.  They've already talked a few things out and ANdi seems to need and want that type of a relationship.  Josh is more like a Juan Pablo communicator in a way (I am not at all comparing them as people).  She asks what he likes about her and he says I like everything about you.  She asks why she won't have heartache and he says because you won't.  She already is telling him to use different words with her and fishing for more detailed verbal communication from him.

I really think Andi is much more suited to an intellectual, analytical mild-mannered talker.  Interesting that she seems to go with her physical "take me now" attractions instead.  Maybe a defense mechanism against choosing someone who might really be a great life partner for her.

I disagree that she actually needs an intellectual, talker, etc. She is way too turned on by being grabbed and manhandled for it to be an act. She freaked out last night when Nick grabbed her and kept repeating that that's a MAN.

I think all she needs from Josh is confirmation that he loves her, that he'll be there for her, and will essentially never leave her, on the show or in life, and she'll be happy. All her anger, angst and drama was centered on that Josh isn't voicing ily when the others have already told her. If she really wasn't into Josh's strong ways with her, he would be out the door. She tried to pretend that yeah, she can get rid of him right now but actually instead continued whining and crying for days after her drama with him. That's not a woman who doesn't care and can take or leave Josh or how he acts with her.

Now if she engages in a power struggle with him once he does tell her what she needs to hear, then I'll agree that the relationship is doomed. However, right now I think literally all that's missing for her is ily and I think she'll be happy to give him control of the relationship as long as he continues to dote on her and pay her attention. We'll need to see them on the lcd and mtp, after I assume the ily, to see how Andi acts with him and talks about him to her parents.

relaxing wrote:

SueSt wrote:

noobsleuth wrote:See these are the reasons why I think him and Andi would OK together. If she wanted quiet and sweet she should have kept Brian or Chris longer. I still picture her as the girl who verbally berated Juan Pablo on TV and then made fun of him on Twitter when she couldn't get him to say what she wanted to hear. Neither one are professing to be angels or have intentions of softening their appearance in the eyes of other people. I'm not surprised this is how Nick is. I was more shocked at the beginning of the season when they made him seem so shy and unassuming in light of his career. I think they are a decent match, which is probably why she feels like they connect on another level and its not always for the sunshine and rainbows reasons.

I'm not trying to defend him or make excuses for his behavior, I'm saying I see similar characteristics in Andi as well.

TBH, I'm not totally thrilled with the way either relationship with her F2 is being portrayed. Either option seems doomed IMO, based on the edit.

Hi Noobsleuth, I agree with your comments about Andi looking for a little 'spice'.  Difference for me is that when there was a disagreement with Josh it led to a fight; the disagreement with Nick led to a discussion and loving resolution.  Very different responses from very different men.

I totally agree with both posts.  I think as she said in the first episode, her type hasn't worked out for her yet so maybe her type needs to change.  You can see that she appreciates how Nick will talk and analyse and get into a discourse with her about whatever she wants.  They've already talked a few things out and ANdi seems to need and want that type of a relationship.  Josh is more like a Juan Pablo communicator in a way (I am not at all comparing them as people).  She asks what he likes about her and he says I like everything about you.  She asks why she won't have heartache and he says because you won't.  She already is telling him to use different words with her and fishing for more detailed verbal communication from him.

I really think Andi is much more suited to an intellectual, analytical mild-mannered talker.  Interesting that she seems to go with her physical "take me now" attractions instead.  Maybe a defense mechanism against choosing someone who might really be a great life partner for her.

Josh is no dummy , he knows exactly the words she is looking for and he just isn't ready to say them, but once he does we'll see a different side to him completely. IMO

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Jolena wrote:

relaxing wrote:

SueSt wrote:

noobsleuth wrote:See these are the reasons why I think him and Andi would OK together. If she wanted quiet and sweet she should have kept Brian or Chris longer. I still picture her as the girl who verbally berated Juan Pablo on TV and then made fun of him on Twitter when she couldn't get him to say what she wanted to hear. Neither one are professing to be angels or have intentions of softening their appearance in the eyes of other people. I'm not surprised this is how Nick is. I was more shocked at the beginning of the season when they made him seem so shy and unassuming in light of his career. I think they are a decent match, which is probably why she feels like they connect on another level and its not always for the sunshine and rainbows reasons.

I'm not trying to defend him or make excuses for his behavior, I'm saying I see similar characteristics in Andi as well.

TBH, I'm not totally thrilled with the way either relationship with her F2 is being portrayed. Either option seems doomed IMO, based on the edit.

Hi Noobsleuth, I agree with your comments about Andi looking for a little 'spice'.  Difference for me is that when there was a disagreement with Josh it led to a fight; the disagreement with Nick led to a discussion and loving resolution.  Very different responses from very different men.

I totally agree with both posts.  I think as she said in the first episode, her type hasn't worked out for her yet so maybe her type needs to change.  You can see that she appreciates how Nick will talk and analyse and get into a discourse with her about whatever she wants.  They've already talked a few things out and ANdi seems to need and want that type of a relationship.  Josh is more like a Juan Pablo communicator in a way (I am not at all comparing them as people).  She asks what he likes about her and he says I like everything about you.  She asks why she won't have heartache and he says because you won't.  She already is telling him to use different words with her and fishing for more detailed verbal communication from him.

I really think Andi is much more suited to an intellectual, analytical mild-mannered talker.  Interesting that she seems to go with her physical "take me now" attractions instead.  Maybe a defense mechanism against choosing someone who might really be a great life partner for her.

Josh is no dummy , he knows exactly the words she is looking for and he just isn't ready to say them, but once he does we'll see a different side to him completely. IMO

See even this to me is a way they aren't good together. Josh has clearly expressed that he likes her and wants to be with her. He also clearly told her in France that he only wants to say ILY to one more woman, his wife. Is that silly? Maybe, but it is what he wants. So to me a guy who wants to make sure the next woman he says ILY to is the one he will marry, he isn't going to say it while she is still dating 7 other men. With family so important to Josh, I wouldn't expect him to say it before she met his family. If she was really falling for him, I would expect her to understand this and appreciate it.

stuckinsc wrote:

See even this to me is a way they aren't good together.  Josh has clearly expressed that he likes her and wants to be with her.  He also clearly told her in France that he only wants to say ILY to one more woman, his wife.  Is that silly?  Maybe, but it is what he wants.  So to me a guy who wants to make sure the next woman he says ILY to is the one he will marry, he isn't going to say it while she is still dating 7 other men.  With family so important to Josh, I wouldn't expect him to say it before she met his family.  If she was really falling for him, I would expect her to understand this and appreciate it.

I totally agree with you. However, this wasn't good enough for TPTB during JPG's season. Perhaps this is now part of a new storyboard, except it's reversed, don't say ILY until we tell you esss okayy.

Alanna wrote:

relaxing wrote:
I totally agree with both posts.  I think as she said in the first episode, her type hasn't worked out for her yet so maybe her type needs to change.  You can see that she appreciates how Nick will talk and analyse and get into a discourse with her about whatever she wants.  They've already talked a few things out and ANdi seems to need and want that type of a relationship.  Josh is more like a Juan Pablo communicator in a way (I am not at all comparing them as people).  She asks what he likes about her and he says I like everything about you.  She asks why she won't have heartache and he says because you won't.  She already is telling him to use different words with her and fishing for more detailed verbal communication from him.

I really think Andi is much more suited to an intellectual, analytical mild-mannered talker.  Interesting that she seems to go with her physical "take me now" attractions instead.  Maybe a defense mechanism against choosing someone who might really be a great life partner for her.

I disagree that she actually needs an intellectual, talker, etc. She is way too turned on by being grabbed and manhandled for it to be an act. She freaked out last night when Nick grabbed her and kept repeating that that's a MAN.

I think all she needs from Josh is confirmation that he loves her, that he'll be there for her, and will essentially never leave her, on the show or in life, and she'll be happy. All her anger, angst and drama was centered on that Josh isn't voicing ily when the others have already told her. If she really wasn't into Josh's strong ways with her, he would be out the door. She tried to pretend that yeah, she can get rid of him right now but actually instead continued whining and crying for days after her drama with him. That's not a woman who doesn't care and can take or leave Josh or how he acts with her.

Now if she engages in a power struggle with him once he does tell her what she needs to hear, then I'll agree that the relationship is doomed. However, right now I think literally all that's missing for her is ily and I think she'll be happy to give him control of the relationship as long as he continues to dote on her and pay her attention. We'll need to see them on the lcd and mtp, after I assume the ily, to see how Andi acts with him and talks about him to her parents.

I agree it's not an act at all.  My point is that maybe her MO is to choose that - the guy who turns her on the most, rather than the one who might be better suited to her - hence the reference to her needing to change her type.  Obviously just a fun mock-psychology game with a tv character version of Andi, but my opinion is the type of guy she'd be best with isn't here, he is a strange mixture of Marcus' telling her all the time how he feels, Nick's deeper more thought provoking conversation and Josh's macho confidence, with a side of intellectualism thrown in.   Maybe she should pick all 3.    Verbal communication seems a big issue to her.

GuardianAngel wrote:

stuckinsc wrote:

See even this to me is a way they aren't good together.  Josh has clearly expressed that he likes her and wants to be with her.  He also clearly told her in France that he only wants to say ILY to one more woman, his wife.  Is that silly?  Maybe, but it is what he wants.  So to me a guy who wants to make sure the next woman he says ILY to is the one he will marry, he isn't going to say it while she is still dating 7 other men.  With family so important to Josh, I wouldn't expect him to say it before she met his family.  If she was really falling for him, I would expect her to understand this and appreciate it.

I totally agree with you. However, this wasn't good enough for TPTB during JPG's season. Perhaps this is now part of a new storyboard, except it's reversed, don't say ILY until we tell you esss okayy.

I agree, I thought Chris, Drew and Zak were nuts with the ILYs before HTDs. Now we have the men doing it with Andi too. Heck, I thought women were usually the ones to rush to ILY, but apparently in TPTB world it is the guys.

You barely know her, once she mets your family and you see she fits, cool I get it, but before then, that is just crazy talk. I was okay with Nick's falling in love. To me that is a process and so I kind of expect that all of the F4 are falling in love. But the whole ILY already, someone needs to smack these men and TPTB out of this BS bubble.

Sorry if this doesn't belong in this forum but it was mentioned here in a post so I put it here.

What are all these posts I'm reading about Josh and Tinder? I have no idea what Tinder is.

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Laura

nutty1 wrote:I think some of the parts [of the epi preview] were spliced to make it sound worse.

he's definitely getting a bad edit. i am thinking it is because of the plane video. i still can't believe someone recorded that and sent it to RS. what are the chances? because it is not polished at all i do think it is most likely real.

Another bachelor leads her to a pottery room, outside the monastery walls, where the two re-enact a passionate scene from “Ghost.”

Do we think this is blue SC guy? Chris