Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #2

[Guest]

I'm pretty sure Andi called Josh M a "jock" on her enews interview so she obviously doesn't find it offensive.

yup. true. blame it on ABC and the producers who labelled Josh as former pro BB player...

Chris S got his occupation right as a mortgage banker despite he was a BB player too. so.. actually Josh has right to be labelled as financial advisor since that is his occupation now.

IMO TPTB milking it according to the scripted storyline: Andi's former BF was jock type.. will she go that route again? ...

[notarose]

Has Chloe heard any inside scoop about the video or thoughts of it? Chloe, where are you??

I feel like everything I see on the show only further reaffirms what I've been said after the FRC(about Nick being realistic and skeptic and Andi trying her hardest to reassure him (and his fam), etc..(I mean she even said so herself in this week's episode.. that she wants "to make him a believer" etc..)) As far as I know the vid is legit.

Thanks Chloep, I thought I was remembering correctly....

Thanks Chloep for sharing the info you heard.

I understand what your saying however the premise is illogical to me. By that I mean, what purpose is there to her trying to reassure him if she then willing accepts Josh's proposal a week after Nick's HTD.  The only thing I can think of is that she enjoyed the challenge of trying to covert his way of thinking.  I would only see logic in this if she didn't get engaged to anyone.

The dinner conversation you are referring to from epi 3 was followed by his definitely committing to an attempt at exploring a relationship with her as seen in epi 4.  Every season participants have concerns: scepticism, inability to deal with the lead building relations with others, too little time to be sure of their feelings, etc. She admitted to her own scepticism on her 1-1 with Nick so one would think she would be empathetic rather than emphatic.  Besides, her own father was sceptical at HTD stating "come back when she's the only one".  Well.

I'm not seeing her focus on his scepticism in the process as coming from a caring place. She could have put more value on the man than on the process.  In fact, it appears he was justified in his scepticism if the spoilers are correct - be she engaged to Josh or someone else.

Well, that's the point of the vid too... Nick was, by his own admission, completely caught off guard.
And her reassuring him will be a reoccurring theme(from what I've been told), we will def. see more of that.

aka the video serves as the ELEPHANT in the room for us who see IT between Nick and Andi    IF we take it as a holy gospel   

This is one elephant I can barely stand to watch. Premeditatively setting out to convince a guy and his family of love just to make a point about scepticism is foul. Imagine how long it would take anyone to trust their ability to read another woman after this.
He was sceptical, not of her, but of the cameras zooming in and perhaps how different she was when the other guys were around vs when they were alone. In other words, everything Eric saw, he might have seen. Unfortunately, it seems, he trusted that what he thought was an authentic relationship was really not.

Ick, I'm not sure I can watch this go down.

[Piper61]

But it doesn't make this one correct nor nice right ?
BTW i like Nick, he and Josh are my favorites but i wish he did not say all the things he said in the video. Not cool at all.  [/quote]

See its interesting because I thought his video showed raw real emotion without being too mean or disrespectful. He was disappointed obviously that they didnt end up in a relationship but he was level headed about it all if you ask me. His complaints about Josh would just come from a place of frustration - and to say Andi is stubborn is hardly offensive to me. Maybe that is because I know I am stubborn and I am happy to admit that - my hubby tells me i am that way and I am ok with that cause its true. I dunno I honestly think the biggest reason I like Nick is that this video shows a real human not someone who was on a show to be famous. [/quote]If the video is authentic and not staged, then it is certainly understandable. For me, what is not cool is if it staged/fake.

[Kashathediva]

Has Chloe heard any inside scoop about the video or thoughts of it? Chloe, where are you??

I feel like everything I see on the show only further reaffirms what I've been said after the FRC(about Nick being realistic and skeptic and Andi trying her hardest to reassure him (and his fam), etc..(I mean she even said so herself in this week's episode.. that she wants "to make him a believer" etc..)) As far as I know the vid is legit.

Thanks Chloep, I thought I was remembering correctly....

Thanks Chloep for sharing the info you heard.

I understand what your saying however the premise is illogical to me. By that I mean, what purpose is there to her trying to reassure him if she then willing accepts Josh's proposal a week after Nick's HTD.  The only thing I can think of is that she enjoyed the challenge of trying to covert his way of thinking.  I would only see logic in this if she didn't get engaged to anyone.

The dinner conversation you are referring to from epi 3 was followed by his definitely committing to an attempt at exploring a relationship with her as seen in epi 4.  Every season participants have concerns: scepticism, inability to deal with the lead building relations with others, too little time to be sure of their feelings, etc. She admitted to her own scepticism on her 1-1 with Nick so one would think she would be empathetic rather than emphatic.  Besides, her own father was sceptical at HTD stating "come back when she's the only one".  Well.

I'm not seeing her focus on his scepticism in the process as coming from a caring place. She could have put more value on the man than on the process.  In fact, it appears he was justified in his scepticism if the spoilers are correct - be she engaged to Josh or someone else.

Well, that's the point of the vid too... Nick was, by his own admission, completely caught off guard.
And her reassuring him will be a reoccurring theme(from what I've been told), we will def. see more of that.

aka the video serves as the ELEPHANT in the room for us who see IT between Nick and Andi    IF we take it as a holy gospel   

I am glad you posted this!! 
We were so foiled last season!! It was a deliberate scheme dragged out for the duration of the show until KABOOM!!  clap3  And the scheme was hatched to get spoilers/sleuthers to back the wrong guy and keep the finale a surprise. 

So I will stay neutral until the scs come out. 

I am still curious about those bootlegged photos of wasn't it Nick's HTD? Those are a bit bizarre. No one of the crew noticed that was going down?? Those had to be sanctioned. 
I am very curious that someone just happens to get great quality of video of one of the F2 on a plane home from the FRC, get a full convo unobserved by anyone around him and then send it to the appropriate spoiler source within an hour or two of everything going down. I wish I had an emote of a duck walking, talking and quacking.

These are puzzle pieces to me. Let's see how it unfolds, I am not going to dismiss it--just because.  :fishing:

[luvlady345]

albean99 I didn't say you were stereotyping Josh I was speaking in general. Well Andi also say on E that she shouldn't label or stereotype men because they are all different.

[Guest]

Has Chloe heard any inside scoop about the video or thoughts of it? Chloe, where are you??

I feel like everything I see on the show only further reaffirms what I've been said after the FRC(about Nick being realistic and skeptic and Andi trying her hardest to reassure him (and his fam), etc..(I mean she even said so herself in this week's episode.. that she wants "to make him a believer" etc..)) As far as I know the vid is legit.

Thanks Chloep, I thought I was remembering correctly....

Thanks Chloep for sharing the info you heard.

I understand what your saying however the premise is illogical to me. By that I mean, what purpose is there to her trying to reassure him if she then willing accepts Josh's proposal a week after Nick's HTD.  The only thing I can think of is that she enjoyed the challenge of trying to covert his way of thinking.  I would only see logic in this if she didn't get engaged to anyone.

The dinner conversation you are referring to from epi 3 was followed by his definitely committing to an attempt at exploring a relationship with her as seen in epi 4.  Every season participants have concerns: scepticism, inability to deal with the lead building relations with others, too little time to be sure of their feelings, etc. She admitted to her own scepticism on her 1-1 with Nick so one would think she would be empathetic rather than emphatic.  Besides, her own father was sceptical at HTD stating "come back when she's the only one".  Well.

I'm not seeing her focus on his scepticism in the process as coming from a caring place. She could have put more value on the man than on the process.  In fact, it appears he was justified in his scepticism if the spoilers are correct - be she engaged to Josh or someone else.

Well, that's the point of the vid too... Nick was, by his own admission, completely caught off guard.
And her reassuring him will be a reoccurring theme(from what I've been told), we will def. see more of that.

aka the video serves as the ELEPHANT in the room for us who see IT between Nick and Andi    IF we take it as a holy gospel   

I am glad you posted this!! 
We were so foiled last season!! It was a deliberate scheme dragged out for the duration of the show until KABOOM!!  clap3  And the scheme was hatched to get spoilers/sleuthers to back the wrong guy and keep the finale a surprise. 

So I will stay neutral until the scs come out. 

I am still curious about those bootlegged photos of wasn't it Nick's HTD? Those are a bit bizarre. No one of the crew noticed that was going down?? Those had to be sanctioned. 
I am very curious that someone just happens to get great quality of video of one of the F2 on a plane home from the FRC, get a full convo unobserved by anyone around him and then send it to the appropriate spoiler source within an hour or two of everything going down. I wish I had an emote of a duck walking, talking and quacking.

These are puzzle pieces to me. Let's see how it unfolds, I am not going to dismiss it--just because.  :fishing:

To the bolded. Nick is such a cute ELEPHANT!!  

[Kashathediva]

Here ya go!  

[Rolly]

Kmart was just a metaphor for real life.

    

[Rolly]

So in other words, Andi did a really good job of leading Nick on!    Dare we call her a good actress??

 


She won't want to waste one more minute of her time with you either!   (This is Andi)



PS Love your avi!   I don't know what you look like but I'm sure you and Nick make a cute couple.....   

[nutty1]

So in other words, Andi did a really good job of leading Nick on!    Dare we call her a good actress??

 


She won't want to waste one more minute of her time with you either!    (This is Andi)



PS Love your avi!   I don't know what you look like but I'm sure you and Nick make a cute couple.....    

We are darling together!!   

[sbolduc]

So in other words, Andi did a really good job of leading Nick on!    Dare we call her a good actress??

Maybe it was like Nick said, she did change her mind at the last minute. Maybe she changed it because:

- She realized she loved Josh (or Marcus or Chris or even Cody, who knowws )
- She was scared sh!tless and picked "what she is used to option"
- She was scared that he wasn't "all in"

If this happened then she wasn't really leading him on

Or maybe the script was always for her to pick Josh, after JPG season they needed a happily ever after, this was the producer's shot.

Or maybe it was gameover from the start with one of the other guys (Josh, Marcus or Chris) and Nick was just a plot point.

There are a lot of maybes and what ifs, I am going to wait and see what happens on air and post show to reserve judgement at this time. All IMO of course  

[Cecilia]

Has Chloe heard any inside scoop about the video or thoughts of it? Chloe, where are you??

I feel like everything I see on the show only further reaffirms what I've been said after the FRC(about Nick being realistic and skeptic and Andi trying her hardest to reassure him (and his fam), etc..(I mean she even said so herself in this week's episode.. that she wants "to make him a believer" etc..)) As far as I know the vid is legit.

Thanks Chloep, I thought I was remembering correctly....

Thanks Chloep for sharing the info you heard.

I understand what your saying however the premise is illogical to me. By that I mean, what purpose is there to her trying to reassure him if she then willing accepts Josh's proposal a week after Nick's HTD.  The only thing I can think of is that she enjoyed the challenge of trying to covert his way of thinking.  I would only see logic in this if she didn't get engaged to anyone.

The dinner conversation you are referring to from epi 3 was followed by his definitely committing to an attempt at exploring a relationship with her as seen in epi 4.  Every season participants have concerns: scepticism, inability to deal with the lead building relations with others, too little time to be sure of their feelings, etc. She admitted to her own scepticism on her 1-1 with Nick so one would think she would be empathetic rather than emphatic.  Besides, her own father was sceptical at HTD stating "come back when she's the only one".  Well.

I'm not seeing her focus on his scepticism in the process as coming from a caring place. She could have put more value on the man than on the process.  In fact, it appears he was justified in his scepticism if the spoilers are correct - be she engaged to Josh or someone else.

Well, that's the point of the vid too... Nick was, by his own admission, completely caught off guard.
And her reassuring him will be a reoccurring theme(from what I've been told), we will def. see more of that.

Or she could have been truly torn between the two and decided that it would be easier to pick the one who lived in her city.

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