Re: Nick Viall - Bachelorette 10 Contestant - Spoilers - Discussion - Thread #2

[bilolo]

But it doesn't make this one correct nor nice right ?
BTW i like Nick, he and Josh are my favorites but i wish he did not say all the things he said in the video. Not cool at all.  [/quote]

See its interesting because I thought his video showed raw real emotion without being too mean or disrespectful. He was disappointed obviously that they didnt end up in a relationship but he was level headed about it all if you ask me. His complaints about Josh would just come from a place of frustration - and to say Andi is stubborn is hardly offensive to me. Maybe that is because I know I am stubborn and I am happy to admit that - my hubby tells me i am that way and I am ok with that cause its true. I dunno I honestly think the biggest reason I like Nick is that this video shows a real human not someone who was on a show to be famous. [/quote]

That's what make the world goes around, we have different opinions, different takes on every situation and we can be biased without knowing it just because we like somebody. It's ok

[chloep]

Has Chloe heard any inside scoop about the video or thoughts of it? Chloe, where are you??

I feel like everything I see on the show only further reaffirms what I've been said after the FRC(about Nick being realistic and skeptic and Andi trying her hardest to reassure him (and his fam), etc..(I mean she even said so herself in this week's episode.. that she wants "to make him a believer" etc..)) As far as I know the vid is legit.

Thanks Chloep, I thought I was remembering correctly....

Thanks Chloep for sharing the info you heard.

I understand what your saying however the premise is illogical to me. By that I mean, what purpose is there to her trying to reassure him if she then willing accepts Josh's proposal a week after Nick's HTD.  The only thing I can think of is that she enjoyed the challenge of trying to covert his way of thinking.  I would only see logic in this if she didn't get engaged to anyone.

The dinner conversation you are referring to from epi 3 was followed by his definitely committing to an attempt at exploring a relationship with her as seen in epi 4.  Every season participants have concerns: scepticism, inability to deal with the lead building relations with others, too little time to be sure of their feelings, etc. She admitted to her own scepticism on her 1-1 with Nick so one would think she would be empathetic rather than emphatic.  Besides, her own father was sceptical at HTD stating "come back when she's the only one".  Well.

I'm not seeing her focus on his scepticism in the process as coming from a caring place. She could have put more value on the man than on the process.  In fact, it appears he was justified in his scepticism if the spoilers are correct - be she engaged to Josh or someone else.

Well, that's the point of the vid too... Nick was, by his own admission, completely caught off guard.
And her reassuring him will be a reoccurring theme(from what I've been told), we will def. see more of that.

[emad0722]

Has Chloe heard any inside scoop about the video or thoughts of it? Chloe, where are you??

I feel like everything I see on the show only further reaffirms what I've been said after the FRC(about Nick being realistic and skeptic and Andi trying her hardest to reassure him (and his fam), etc..(I mean she even said so herself in this week's episode.. that she wants "to make him a believer" etc..)) As far as I know the vid is legit.

Thanks Chloep, I thought I was remembering correctly....

Thanks Chloep for sharing the info you heard.

I understand what your saying however the premise is illogical to me. By that I mean, what purpose is there to her trying to reassure him if she then willing accepts Josh's proposal a week after Nick's HTD.  The only thing I can think of is that she enjoyed the challenge of trying to covert his way of thinking.  I would only see logic in this if she didn't get engaged to anyone.

The dinner conversation you are referring to from epi 3 was followed by his definitely committing to an attempt at exploring a relationship with her as seen in epi 4.  Every season participants have concerns: scepticism, inability to deal with the lead building relations with others, too little time to be sure of their feelings, etc. She admitted to her own scepticism on her 1-1 with Nick so one would think she would be empathetic rather than emphatic.  Besides, her own father was sceptical at HTD stating "come back when she's the only one".  Well.

I'm not seeing her focus on his scepticism in the process as coming from a caring place. She could have put more value on the man than on the process.  In fact, it appears he was justified in his scepticism if the spoilers are correct - be she engaged to Josh or someone else.

Well, that's the point of the vid too... Nick was, by his own admission, completely caught off guard.
And her reassuring him will be a reoccurring theme(from what I've been told), we will def. see more of that.

Thank goodness for Chloe and her background knowledge   and I agree everyone has the right to their own opinion its just interesting how people perceive things.     

[nutty1]

So in other words, Andi did a really good job of leading Nick on!    Dare we call her a good actress??

[Relalou]

Since the aim of the producers is to keep us engaged in rooting for relationships to work, the bach/ette cannot simply focus on one person - even if they know where their feelings are already taking them. Andi may really hope that something develops with Nick and be invested (at this point) in seeing it does, or she may be playing her part in this production in keeping her feelings hidden until the end. In either case, she took on the role of the lead who has to carry viewers through to the final episode, partially by keeping us guessing. Hard to knock her for that.

[nutty1]

I wasn't knocking Andi…..just making a joke!!   

[Alanna]

So in other words, Andi did a really good job of leading Nick on!    Dare we call her a good actress??

Looks like it! It's actually kind of sad how Nick talks in the video. He really had no idea what was happening and how tptb had Andi manipulate him.

[Guest]

Has Chloe heard any inside scoop about the video or thoughts of it? Chloe, where are you??

I feel like everything I see on the show only further reaffirms what I've been said after the FRC(about Nick being realistic and skeptic and Andi trying her hardest to reassure him (and his fam), etc..(I mean she even said so herself in this week's episode.. that she wants "to make him a believer" etc..)) As far as I know the vid is legit.

Thanks Chloep, I thought I was remembering correctly....

Thanks Chloep for sharing the info you heard.

I understand what your saying however the premise is illogical to me. By that I mean, what purpose is there to her trying to reassure him if she then willing accepts Josh's proposal a week after Nick's HTD.  The only thing I can think of is that she enjoyed the challenge of trying to covert his way of thinking.  I would only see logic in this if she didn't get engaged to anyone.

The dinner conversation you are referring to from epi 3 was followed by his definitely committing to an attempt at exploring a relationship with her as seen in epi 4.  Every season participants have concerns: scepticism, inability to deal with the lead building relations with others, too little time to be sure of their feelings, etc. She admitted to her own scepticism on her 1-1 with Nick so one would think she would be empathetic rather than emphatic.  Besides, her own father was sceptical at HTD stating "come back when she's the only one".  Well.

I'm not seeing her focus on his scepticism in the process as coming from a caring place. She could have put more value on the man than on the process.  In fact, it appears he was justified in his scepticism if the spoilers are correct - be she engaged to Josh or someone else.

Well, that's the point of the vid too... Nick was, by his own admission, completely caught off guard.
And her reassuring him will be a reoccurring theme(from what I've been told), we will def. see more of that.

aka the video serves as the ELEPHANT in the room for us who see IT between Nick and Andi    IF we take it as a holy gospel   

[albean99]

I'm very torn on whether the video is for real or not but if it's a foiler than I think Nick had some fun with it. The point of the video in that case was to fool RS and what he said about Andi or Josh didn't mean anything. I didn't think what he said about Andi was bad in any case. His basic point was that she ended up going with what she was used to because she was scared or it was easier. Not too complimentary if she is with Josh but the f2 has been treated pretty badly so should be given some slack.

Either way the cheetos cracked me up.    

This argument and line of thinking reminds me of the endless debates we had when Ben retweeted a blog that made fun of Ashley- that it's not so bad, it's funny, Ash/Andi have a sense of humor, etc. The thing is these girls may have a sense of humor or "get it" but not to the extent of being okay with their f1 participating. JP did a vlog in which he spent the entire time defending Ash later in the season, and I have no doubt that Andi's f1 will spend as much time sticking up for her as he can. This video can be fake, Andi may be single or with Chris or Marcus but definitely not with Nick. And with that, I promise to stop boring all ya'll (homage to our heroine here) with this argument.

Well none of us actually know anything at this point including who Andi's with if anyone. I'm fine either way. I just find spoilers so boring & am always happy to see RS get fooled. I don't find Josh compelling as a f1. It's such a snooze if she ends up with the same type of guy she always dates and he lives in Atlanta. I'm also not completely buying his act right now. He's being a little too gushy for me. Just like I said with Nikki, it's her life and who she picks is up to her. I don't have to like them.

Great avi, Nutty!   

See for me I think IF Josh is F1, this is a lesson for anyone not to stereotype, no two people are alike just because they share the same profession.... I wish people would stop boxing people in to this square peg everyone brings something different to a relationship no matter how similar you think they are.....

Andi's the one who said Josh is the type she usually goes for. I'm not sure where I was stereotyping Josh. I don't particularly like him so far but I didn't say he's "just a jock". I don't even know what his profession is.

Some have mentioned Ben and I didn't blame him for being very upset between Ashley letting him propose and the producers most likely telling he's the one. I know most people love Ashley and I like her a lot now but not so much in her season. I hope I don't feel like that with Andi after this one. I know there's a certain amount of acting and fooling they must do but there's a line that you shouldn't cross no matter how much they're pushing. For me it's trying to fool the family by over-assuring them and letting the guy get down on one knee and propose.

[nutty1]

I agree Albean, trying to convince the family is crossing the line.

[notarose]

I'm very torn on whether the video is for real or not but if it's a foiler than I think Nick had some fun with it. The point of the video in that case was to fool RS and what he said about Andi or Josh didn't mean anything. I didn't think what he said about Andi was bad in any case. His basic point was that she ended up going with what she was used to because she was scared or it was easier. Not too complimentary if she is with Josh but the f2 has been treated pretty badly so should be given some slack.

Either way the cheetos cracked me up.    

This argument and line of thinking reminds me of the endless debates we had when Ben retweeted a blog that made fun of Ashley- that it's not so bad, it's funny, Ash/Andi have a sense of humor, etc. The thing is these girls may have a sense of humor or "get it" but not to the extent of being okay with their f1 participating. JP did a vlog in which he spent the entire time defending Ash later in the season, and I have no doubt that Andi's f1 will spend as much time sticking up for her as he can. This video can be fake, Andi may be single or with Chris or Marcus but definitely not with Nick. And with that, I promise to stop boring all ya'll (homage to our heroine here) with this argument.

Well none of us actually know anything at this point including who Andi's with if anyone. I'm fine either way. I just find spoilers so boring & am always happy to see RS get fooled. I don't find Josh compelling as a f1. It's such a snooze if she ends up with the same type of guy she always dates and he lives in Atlanta. I'm also not completely buying his act right now. He's being a little too gushy for me. Just like I said with Nikki, it's her life and who she picks is up to her. I don't have to like them.

Great avi, Nutty!   

See for me I think IF Josh is F1, this is a lesson for anyone not to stereotype, no two people are alike just because they share the same profession.... I wish people would stop boxing people in to this square peg everyone brings something different to a relationship no matter how similar you think they are.....

Andi's the one who said Josh is the type she usually goes for. I'm not sure where I was stereotyping Josh. I don't particularly like him so far but I didn't say he's "just a jock". I don't even know what his profession is.

Some have mentioned Ben and I didn't blame him for being very upset between Ashley letting him propose and the producers most likely telling he's the one. I know most people love Ashley and I like her a lot now but not so much in her season. I hope I don't feel like that with Andi after this one. I know there's a certain amount of acting and fooling they must do but there's a line that you shouldn't cross no matter how much they're pushing. For me it's trying to fool the family by over-assuring them and letting the guy get down on one knee and propose.

The jock thing - the point was made very early on that jocks have diverse personalities.
Pro-golfer - Nick S; Pro-soceer - Marcus and oops I forgot his name but he leaves next epi
Semi-pro baseball - Josh
And I'll add athletic history to include the other spoiled in the final 4
College track - Nick V and maybe Chris played college football
Not in the 4 but Cody is a trainer and Brian a coach. The deck is loaded with athletics.

Lots of jocks. I see great differences between them. If one or more fit the stereotype that would be because people see the stereotypic traits. The youngest is Marcus and I would say if he was stereotypic he has since moved beyond that.

[emad0722]

I'm pretty sure Andi called Josh M a "jock" on her enews interview so she obviously doesn't find it offensive.

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