Re: The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers Thread #2

[beader]

She constantly talks over them.  It's like a petulant child that can't wait their turn.

I have to give Josh credit, he seems to be able to hold his own, but then they both like to talk about "ME"    

Ain't that the truth!  

Meosh and Meandi!

If they get married, they'll be Meosh and Meandi Meurphy!

[Luvstruck]

Good one Header!!!!

[Hotmomma]

So now the Murray's are shut down have been for sometime..They don't live tweet post many "show" pictures.Josh doesn't post pictures on IG.and now we have Nick going full force on SM.

[soccermom333]

So now the Murray's are shut down have been for sometime..They don't live tweet post many "show" pictures.Josh doesn't post pictures on IG.and now we have Nick going full force on SM.

I am sure Josh and his family, (Andi's too), will go full force ATFR! I bet they can't wait for the 28th.   

[nutty1]

I have a question for the members who truly have no favorites (I admit I cannot be objective this season). Do you all still think something wonky is going on this season, or is it just "it is at it seems"? I am really anxious to hear your unbiased answers!! (PLEASE!!)

One interesting thing to add to the conspiracy theories is something RS said last night during his Podcast....

He said he got the videos just a few hours after he find out who the F1 was, and how the Snapchat things fell in his lap.
It just seems too easy....   

[pander3575]

I have a question for the members who truly have no favorites (I admit I cannot be objective this season). Do you all still think something wonky is going on this season, or is it just "it is at it seems"? I am really anxious to hear your unbiased answers!! (PLEASE!!)

One interesting thing to add to the conspiracy theories is something RS said last night during  his Podcast....

He said he got the videos just a few hours after he find out who the F1 was, and how the Snapchat things fell in his lap.
It just seems too easy....   

You know I have a favorite but I've been going into the unspoiled threads to see how they are viewing it just to make sure I'm not missing something.

[nd4reality]

I am not unbiased. I am firmly on team Marcus.

That is not to say there are some clues to Josh being F1 and somethings way too convenient and perhaps co-incidental for my liking. That itself is questionable.
If I was unspoiled I would be questioning Josh's edit like crazy - just like I did Clare's last season when I was unspoiled.
The info that RS got is the most suspect - but I believe he has hired private investigators more than ever and just lying when he says things fell into his lap. If that is actually true though I would be less boastful if I was him.

[Kashathediva]

I have a question for the members who truly have no favorites (I admit I cannot be objective this season). Do you all still think something wonky is going on this season, or is it just "it is at it seems"? I am really anxious to hear your unbiased answers!! (PLEASE!!)

One interesting thing to add to the conspiracy theories is something RS said last night during  his Podcast....

He said he got the videos just a few hours after he find out who the F1 was, and how the Snapchat things fell in his lap.
It just seems too easy....   

I like to see the scs. The season is what half over? So the real meat has not been released yet. Once I can see scs from the FD/LCD, then I can put more perspective on things. 


Are things wonky this season? I think with the way things are presently with RS trying to get spoilers/paying for spoilers/selling his soul to the devil to get spoilers, sm, foilers and loose lips etc., anything can be expected. Kind of like the Big Brother Reality Show's mantra...expect the unexpected.

It would be sooooo easy--I can not stress this enough, to do great foiler campaigns. Think of that show Punk'd. MF loves stuff like this. It's not too much work and fun.

[Ash2214]

Nutty - I have some free time right now and I wouldn't say I'm totally unbiased because I have been trying to figure out if Josh was the F1 since the moment RS released it. With that said, every season I never pick a favorite guy that I want to win because I'm not the lead. Andi is going to pick who she falls in love with and who she feels fits best with her. Who am I to say who fits best with her? I pick a guy for myself of course and that would be Marcus because I find him the most physically attractive and he's only two years older than me   

With all of the being said - I have zero issues believing this comes down to Josh and Nick. No doubt in my mind about that. I can just see the way she interacts with them. I can clearly tell she's extremely attracted to Marcus (who can blame her?) and I can also see that she thinks Chris is a sweet, caring guy that would take great care of her, but it's different in comparison with Josh and Nick. I honestly think Marcus goes home at F4 and Chris at F3.

Now, I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up with Josh or Nick because like I said - I see her with both of them. I remember before the season even started people were worried that we would only see her go crazy over Josh, which we have seen, but I've seen her go crazy over Nick too. I think she has genuine feelings for both Josh and Nick.

I also have no issues believing the video of Nick that RS is real, so therefore that would pretty much wipe out the fact that Nick would be the F1. I personally think people have made too much about the possibility of the video being fake, but I understand why people have. In the videos, that's not where Nick just started talking. We missed a GOOD chunk of what Nick was saying. The person behind Nick could have been sitting their listening. For all we know Nick could have said Andi's name or something else that could have tipped off the person that Nick was talking about the Bachelorette. The person behind Nick could have thought "Oh my God, this person is talking about the finale. I should record this!" The person didn't have to be a huge fan of the show or even know about RS. With a simple Google search the person could have read about RS and contacted him. I would also pretry much guarantee that RS paid this person in order to get the video. It was probably recorded with an iPhone and that person could have easily made it seem like they were just using the phone and therefore no one would even notice Nick was being recorded.

Viewing one's favorites on snapchat isn't something a lot of people do. I checked mine for the first time ever when RS released that story recently. I never even look at the app. When a picture pops up on my phone I look at it and if I want to send one back I go to my contacts on my phone. It's as simple as Josh and Andi not realizing people could do that. Not to mention that was 100% verified Andi's snapchat and Josh's too. Anyone that was on Josh's "friend" list through the app could have seen it and sent it to RS.

There have been a lot of things that I've personally found that I've posted here and other clues that I've found that I haven't posted here and they all point to Josh. I know some people will say it's a "foiler" campaign, but if it is, this is an EXTENSIVE one. So many people would be involved with it and a lot of hurtful things would have been said. I just don't see Josh, Nick, Andi and the Murray's getting this involved with it. I know some people will compare it to Des' season, but I just sure as heck can't do it. We've never, ever had this much point to a particular guy in my opinion. It would be a real lot of work and if it is a "foiler" campaign, then damn. Solid work to everyone involved  

I'm not RS and I have zero clue as to how he goes about getting his information. For all I know, this season he could have hired private investigators. Who knows right? It's not like the guy has a wife or a family to support, so he has the funds to do so. He could get information like this every season for all I know, but he doesn't release it. He was wrong last season so he seems set on getting it right this time around. Anything is possible.


With that said - I wouldn't be surprised if Andi ends up with Nick or Josh, but in my opinion, I don't think it's a "foiler" campaign or that we're getting stuff too easily. I'm getting this information because I'm really digging for it. My friends who are huge fans of the show, but don't do spoilers or know about this site, are still 100% sold on the fact that she's going to pick Marcus. Either way, July 28th will be interesting.

[Guest]

I'm not that invested in Andi, so I don't really have a favorite. I think for me, what's driving my curiosity is the crazy edit. I believed the spoilers last year, which were wrong, and this season just seems too easy with Josh. I really don't think Josh or Nick are getting a f1 edit at all. Marcus and Chris (Chris who??) are the ones in my opinion that are. I wish we had more SC's, but they're pretty stingy with those, but until it's sleuthed out that way, I'm keeping an open mind.

[Cecilia]

I believe Josh is F1. And you can tell by my Avi who is my favorite

[Guest]

I think it is what it seems. None of the arguments I've read that try to claim foilers or to discount the plane video or to explain away all the social media stuff from Andi, Josh and his family have been able to put any doubt in my mind since there's so much to support the spoilers.

Unless we get new screen caps that seem to contradict the spoilers, I'm convinced.

But I actually like the ending, and am looking forward to it all playing out. Without any spoilers and post show sleuthing I'd be blinded my my own love for Marcus and be so invested in Marcus being the guy for Andi that I would have a hard time enjoying her great relationships with some of the other guys.

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