Re: Bachelorette 10 - PI Screencap Analysis Thread - *Spoilers & Speculation*

[nd4reality]

If i'm not mistaken i think i read that they were told during Josh's HTD or something like that. Correct me

I don't think so. Marcus had the last HTD and there was an article that appeared AFTER that.
I don't remember reading anything about Josh's HTD being the date they were told. Did he even pass away before easter sunday (Josh's date) ?

ETA : He had not even passed away then.

[bilolo]

It's so sad though, i can't even imagine the shock they had.

[JBF]

His death would have made it difficult to get those PI sessions all done that week.

Even if somebody feels "heartbroken" at the end of this, they would still agree to do post-show PIs (by contract). After Eric's death, everybody should realize that there is more to life outside this silly show anyway. Chris, Marcus and Nick all look pretty content in those shots. If post-show... yeah... "IF" post-show... they are OK with the end result.

[pander3575]

Could MF learned from last season NOT to provide screen caps like they used to so that everyone will think it's a screwy season again? I would if I was him. Why give clues if you don't need to and just give next weeks previews.

[nutty1]

Could MF learned from last season NOT to provide screen caps like they used to so that everyone will think it's a screwy season again?  I would if I was him.  Why give clues if you don't need to and just give next weeks previews.

I agree! You know has minions here watching us!!
Say hi to Mikey for us!!!  :WAVEY: 

[nd4reality]

Could MF learned from last season NOT to provide screen caps like they used to so that everyone will think it's a screwy season again?  I would if I was him.  Why give clues if you don't need to and just give next weeks previews.

Yes I really do think he and his team saw how the board determined that Drew was F2 instead of F4 purely from FD/LCD screencaps.

[bilolo]

Could MF learned from last season NOT to provide screen caps like they used to so that everyone will think it's a screwy season again?  I would if I was him.  Why give clues if you don't need to and just give next weeks previews.

Why not, i would do it seeing how it worked out last season

[Litta123]

I'm not really sure which thread this should go in. It has some PI stuff, editing stuff and just plain old screen caps. I'm sticking it here. I noticed some interesting PIs that didn't match the location, or in some cases, clothes of Andi/Josh in the evening portion of their Belgium date. Stay with me as this is kind of long. Also, I'm not half as good of a transcriber as JBF. Mostly, I just describe the dialog, but when I quote it, no doubt I made mistakes...

The evening portion starts with Andi and Josh walking into the castle in these clothes.



We then get a VO/PI of Andi in a different outfit and a different location than her other Brussels's PI. Perhaps this is the mansion...post HTDs or post filming. Basically Andi is saying how Josh hasn't told her how he's feeling. Says both Marcus and Nick have. If Josh doesn't open up tonight, it will be tough seeing herself going to his HT.



Then the scene switches back to the castle where they talk about GDs versus this date. Josh assures her what they have is not too good to be true.

Next we see another Andi PI in the typical Brussels location that Andi has been in -- same lamp as in her hotel room from earlier when she checks in. She is in the outfit from the afternoon's Goose Parade. She basically says that she would love for Josh to say he's falling in love. Wonders if he just does not feel it.



Then we switch back to the castle scene where Josh tells Andi he's falling in love with her. FYI, she feels "comforted" by him saying that. I found that to be an interesting way of describing her feelings, basically implying that it was important for her to know that and it gave her assurance. For those who watched JPG's season, you might recall assurance was a big deal to Andi.

Then we have Andi in this PI -- back to the date outfit, but new location...looks to be post filming. She says, "He finally says that he is falling in love. I wanted so badly for Josh to say those words just to like, feel like, this is real." (My thoughts -- that sentiment seemed to be really huge for her.)



Then it switches back to the castle where after finishing their makeout, Andi tells Josh she has one more thing for him. Then he kisses her against the wall. I'm throwing this in for the Jodi fans.



This PI of Andi is next (similar to the one above) where Andi describes the band.



It's followed by a scene of them dancing. Next comes this PI of Josh who is in a location we've never seen before. Could it be from the DR? I suspect yes. He says, "I've been waiting to tell her that I've been falling in love with her. It's been on my mind, and I've been wanting to let her know. But at the same time, it's tough being vulnerable not really knowing exactly what I would get in return.



So, what do I make of all of this? I've been sitting on the fence between Nick and Josh, but more and more I think Josh is F1. These PIs continue to set up the obstacle that Josh must overcome. Can Andi trust his feelings for her? Next week's HTD seems to put the dilemma of Josh's family taking a higher place in his life than a possible relationship with Andi. What is Nick's dilemma? He is no longer a skeptic. It's resolved. His only real conflict seems to be with the guys not Andi.

Why would TPTB put all this extra Josh storyline in post season if Josh is not F1? I'm not seeing this extra stuff with Nick or have I missed it?

Can anyone give me a good counter argument to what I've posted?

P.S. We also had some weird PI stuff with Andi during the afternoon portion of their date. Andi was dressed like this during the Goose Parade.



But some of her PIs during that time appear like this -- different outfit from that afternoon and probable location being the mansion. I have no idea what she was saying in this PI because I didn't go back to listen. As Andi would say, "I'm exhausted!"  

Hey Litta, you might want to move this to the "PI" Spoiler portion of the SC Thread.

Done!   

[Kashathediva]

The second photo looks like the top she is wearing is actually a shawl draped all around her.

[Guest]

Dear Litta  :WAVEY: ...thanks for your elephanty take. it is vey helpful .

please refresh my memory...did we not go bonkers on JP season analyzing tonz of PI circulating Clare's 'obstacles' where she was seen in many different PI backdops that look like after filming as well? (few of them where she sported a 'plumpier' look? ).

[Litta123]

Dear Litta  :WAVEY: ...thanks for your elephanty take. it is vey helpful .

please refresh my memory...did we not go bonkers on JP season analyzing tonz of PI circulating Clare's 'obstacles' where she was seen in many different PI backdops that look like after filming as well? (few of them where she sported a 'plumpier' look? ).

Yes, yes, yes...I'm still in recovery from that season.

Here's the difference to me. First, a lot of those time travel PIs showed all of the F4. Yes, there were several PIs that showed a "plumpier" Clare (and truthfully, I still believe they were filmed post season). Those were PIs, though, that seemed to be her attempt explaining her side of the oceangate situation. At the time, it looked like she was being redeemed to be F1 and show how she was overcoming the obstacle. In hindsight, I can see how Clare's cooperation with TPTB helped to "clean up" her image or, at least, helped her feel like she got to tell her side of things.

This season the PIs mentioned above are all being done by Andi (except the one by Josh). I can see Andi still being willing to help TPTB help shape the storyline at the end of filming. However, would she be comfortable saying things like, "He(Josh) finally says that he is falling in love. I wanted so badly for Josh to say those words just to like, feel like, this is real"...especially the bolded if she really ends up with Nick? Would Andi and Nick both be okay with that? Perhaps, they might if Nick deliberately participated in a foiler. I just have a hard time believing Andi would allow TPTB to put words in her mouth...especially after how she saw how they edited JPG's season.

I don't follow Andi too closely, but she still seems to be on good terms with TPTB. I have a hard time believing that she would be okay with how they appear to be smearing Nick with his edit if he is her F1. Am I making any sense? I'm feeling like I'm having a hard time explaining it.

Let me say it another way. Clare's post season PIs helped "clear her name," but let the producers create doubt as to the spoiled F1. Juan wouldn't cooperate and he and, at times, Nikki got a shady edit. This season Andi is cooperating. Her PIs help create the (your assumed) F2's storyline, but in the meantime, it makes her F2 look better -- he's the object of Andi's desire. The (your assumed) F1 is now getting the shady edit. I can't see Andi being a happy camper about that. Didn't Nick call her passive aggressive? Would she so willing let TPTB's shenanigans so easily slide? This is what I'm having a hard time buying...and basically, why I see the post season PIs differently.

[soccermom333]

Dear Litta  :WAVEY: ...thanks for your elephanty take. it is vey helpful .

please refresh my memory...did we not go bonkers on JP season analyzing tonz of PI circulating Clare's 'obstacles' where she was seen in many different PI backdops that look like after filming as well? (few of them where she sported a 'plumpier' look? ).

Yes, yes, yes...I'm still in recovery from that season.

Here's the difference to me. First, a lot of those time travel PIs showed all of the F4. Yes, there were several PIs that showed a "plumpier" Clare (and truthfully, I still believe they were filmed post season). Those were PIs, though, that seemed to be her attempt explaining her side of the oceangate situation. At the time, it looked like she was being redeemed to be F1 and show how she was overcoming the obstacle. In hindsight, I can see how Clare's cooperation with TPTB helped to "clean up" her image or, at least, helped her feel like she got to tell her side of things.

This season the PIs mentioned above are all being done by Andi (except the one by Josh). I can see Andi still being willing to help TPTB help shape the storyline at the end of filming. However, would she be comfortable saying things like, "He(Josh) finally says that he is falling in love. I wanted so badly for Josh to say those words just to like, feel like, this is real"...especially the bolded if she really ends up with Nick? Would Andi and Nick both be okay with that? Perhaps, they might if Nick deliberately participated in a foiler. I just have a hard time believing Andi would allow TPTB to put words in her mouth...especially after how she saw how they edited JPG's season.

I don't follow Andi too closely, but she still seems to be on good terms with TPTB. I have a hard time believing that she would be okay with how they appear to be smearing Nick with his edit if he is her F1. Am I making any sense? I'm feeling like I'm having a hard time explaining it.

Let me say it another way. Clare's post season PIs helped "clear her name," but let the producers create doubt as to the spoiled F1. Juan wouldn't cooperate and he and, at times, Nikki got a shady edit. This season Andi is cooperating. Her PIs help create the (your assumed) F2's storyline, but in the meantime, it makes her F2 look better -- he's the object of Andi's desire. The (your assumed) F1 is now getting the shady edit. I can't see Andi being a happy camper about that. Didn't Nick call her passive aggressive? Would she so willing let TPTB's shenanigans so easily slide? This is what I'm having a hard time buying...and basically, why I see the post season PIs differently.

Thanks for the hard work litta! Love this post too.     

I also think we have no screen caps from the final rose ceremony because tptb pull a "Reid" and drag Nick over the coals and back over him a few more times. I hope Nick fans are preparing themselves for the worst.   

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