Bachelorette 10 - Andi Dorfman - Episode 3 - Sun - Jun 1/14 *Spoilers & Sleuthing* - Discussion

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IrishGal wrote:I suspect what made that date her fave was the excitement of performing with Boys II Men...the only real big time music group that appeared on her season (or most any season).  To me it's stretching it way past credibility to say it's her fave day because of Josh.  She paid equal attention to Marcus and in truth she doesn't even know any of these men yet.  

I completely agree.  Thinking that she is that gung ho for any of these guys right now that haven't had an individual date with her is pushing it, IMO.  I look forward to seeing who connects with her though..

While it certainly can be because of Boys II Men it could just as well be because of Josh. Admittedly, at the time she didn't know these guys very well, however, she could be saying it not necessarily because of what happened that day, but more as looking back, this is when things started. Who knows? This could be a hint thrown out as salute to her F1 or just a day that she really enjoyed. Guess this is just one of those things that keeps us tuning in!

The episode description says she shares first kiss with one bachelor (Marcus) and sparks fly with another passionate bachelor ( has to be Josh).

Things started with Josh in episode 2. That was their first kiss. They also made sure in the "coming up" segements to pan in on Josh when talking about connections in ep2.

So there is something else (personally I think its B2M that gets the credit  :Nod: ) that happens in ep3.

I am with you on that considering how excited she was talking about them.

I think it is also the episode where she gets the first letter from the secret admirer.  So it could be a number of different things other than Josh IMO.

Good point, so do we think that secret admirer letter is from Chris and since he didn't have a date this epi, that may be why he said that he'd like to tell her these things the next time he sees her??

And if the letter is from Epi 3 she may have chosen to wear her hair, similar to her date with Chris, as a shout out that she knows the letter was from him.

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A soft look for @AndiDorfman for tonight's roseceremony on TheBachelorette

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IrishGal wrote:I suspect what made that date her fave was the excitement of performing with Boys II Men...the only real big time music group that appeared on her season (or most any season).  To me it's stretching it way past credibility to say it's her fave day because of Josh.  She paid equal attention to Marcus and in truth she doesn't even know any of these men yet.  

I completely agree.  Thinking that she is that gung ho for any of these guys right now that haven't had an individual date with her is pushing it, IMO.  I look forward to seeing who connects with her though..

While it certainly can be because of Boys II Men it could just as well be because of Josh. Admittedly, at the time she didn't know these guys very well, however, she could be saying it not necessarily because of what happened that day, but more as looking back, this is when things started. Who knows? This could be a hint thrown out as salute to her F1 or just a day that she really enjoyed. Guess this is just one of those things that keeps us tuning in!

The episode description says she shares first kiss with one bachelor (Marcus) and sparks fly with another passionate bachelor ( has to be Josh).

Things started with Josh in episode 2. That was their first kiss. They also made sure in the "coming up" segements to pan in on Josh when talking about connections in ep2.

So there is something else (personally I think its B2M that gets the credit  :Nod: ) that happens in ep3.

I am with you on that considering how excited she was talking about them.

I think it is also the episode where she gets the first letter from the secret admirer.  So it could be a number of different things other than Josh IMO.

Good point, so do we think that secret admirer letter is from Chris and since he didn't have a date this epi, that may be why he said that he'd like to tell her these things the next time he sees her??

And if the letter is from Epi 3 she may have chosen to wear her hair, similar to her date with Chris, as a shout out that she knows the letter was from him.

momoftrips wrote:

A soft look for @AndiDorfman for tonight's roseceremony on TheBachelorette

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That would make sense too...

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Aunties_Love wrote:

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IrishGal wrote:I suspect what made that date her fave was the excitement of performing with Boys II Men...the only real big time music group that appeared on her season (or most any season).  To me it's stretching it way past credibility to say it's her fave day because of Josh.  She paid equal attention to Marcus and in truth she doesn't even know any of these men yet.  

I completely agree.  Thinking that she is that gung ho for any of these guys right now that haven't had an individual date with her is pushing it, IMO.  I look forward to seeing who connects with her though..

While it certainly can be because of Boys II Men it could just as well be because of Josh. Admittedly, at the time she didn't know these guys very well, however, she could be saying it not necessarily because of what happened that day, but more as looking back, this is when things started. Who knows? This could be a hint thrown out as salute to her F1 or just a day that she really enjoyed. Guess this is just one of those things that keeps us tuning in!

The episode description says she shares first kiss with one bachelor (Marcus) and sparks fly with another passionate bachelor ( has to be Josh).

Things started with Josh in episode 2. That was their first kiss. They also made sure in the "coming up" segements to pan in on Josh when talking about connections in ep2.

So there is something else (personally I think its B2M that gets the credit  :Nod: ) that happens in ep3.

I am with you on that considering how excited she was talking about them.

I think it is also the episode where she gets the first letter from the secret admirer.  So it could be a number of different things other than Josh IMO.

Good point, so do we think that secret admirer letter is from Chris and since he didn't have a date this epi, that may be why he said that he'd like to tell her these things the next time he sees her??

And if the letter is from Epi 3 she may have chosen to wear her hair, similar to her date with Chris, as a shout out that she knows the letter was from him.

momoftrips wrote:

A soft look for @AndiDorfman for tonight's roseceremony on TheBachelorette

@ginamo11

That would make sense too...

That's a good point also - was Chris the only one that did not have a date of any kind in episode 3? If he was then she could have figured out who the secret admirer was by what he said in the letter.

Just a question as I think I may of missed it somewhere...

Is there any absolute CONCRETE proof of who the F1 is other than what RS says?

I ask this as I thought it was just assumed that RS is right and Josh the F1 without any actual proof??

Aunties_Love wrote:Just a question as I think I may of missed it somewhere...

Is there any absolute CONCRETE proof of who the F1 is other than what RS says?

I ask this as I thought it was just assumed that RS is right and Josh the F1 without any actual proof??

Aside from RS there isn't any proof of final 3 - unless I missed something.  Last I read here, there seemed to be a "blackout" re: info beyond the location of DR.  Oh, and something about Andi being seen by a bystander with a dark haired man which would mean either Josh or CH  

There is all the blabber mouthing from Josh's family on social media.   

In regards as to what we have in regards as to whether or not the spoiler is correct, we're mostly running on what RS has said and those videos, although must of us have been trying to prove it rather than just believe it. All of these below have been found through social media and are 100% accurate. Some people will think all of these little things add up, other don't care much for little things such as these. It's all about personal opinion.

1). Josh's little sister posted a picture to Instagram last night of her with Josh's dog Sabel. Josh was spotted at the Tampa airport and his sister and parents are watching his dog. That tells me he's not home. I don't think that guarantees that he's at a safe house visit, but the timing is definitely funny. Either way I do feel like Andi is 100% having her safe house visit this weekend because this weekend marks two weeks since the FRC. It's usually every other weekend the couple meets up. I think I read that usually they start on Thursday or Friday. Andi and Josh have both "favorited" tweets, but neither of them have actually sent out a tweet, but that could mean nothing. (this was from last weekend)

2).So Hy Dorfman's Twitter is now back. I went to his Twitter and noticed the tweet to Lauren Murray has been deleted although he is still following her. From there, I went to Lauren Murray's Twitter to see if she was still following him and she is. From there, I went to Aaron Murray's Twitter and low and behold, Aaron is was Hy Dorfman. What's interesting, however, is that the page Aaron followed after Hy is the Kansas City Chiefs. Aaron followed them about a day or two after he was drafted by them, which just so happened to be the weekend of the FRC. Hy deleted his Twitter that weekend because I remember thinking "now that the show is done filming they probably don't want him on social media so he doesn't run his mouth." Sorry for making this so long, but basically Aaron followed Hy around the same time as the FRC. I'm not so sure Aaron would be following him if Josh left the Dominican Republic unhappy.

3). Lauren Murray unfollowed four people as of May 29. She's still following Hy. I'm not so sure a woman would be following a guy whose daughter dumped her son and left him heartbroken.

4). Last weekend, it appears Andi was at a safe house visit with her F1. Josh posted a picture to his twitter. Within 15 minutes of it going up, he deleted it, Andi retweeted her sister's tweet that said they were spending Memorial Day Weekend together, but yet Rachel doesn't post a picture with Andi, she posts one with her husband.

5). This past week, Lauren Murray posted a Facebook status. She received over 20 comments on it. Someone left a comment about how this woman was golfing with Andi's mom and she said Andi's mom was really nice. Out of the 20 or so comments she received on the status the only one Lauren Murray liked was the one calling Andi's mom nice.

6). About three weeks ago, Lauren Murray posted a picture of her, her husband, Josh, Aaron and Stephanie. She received an insane amount of comments on the picture. At least over 40 of people saying different things. One woman said "I can't wait to see all of the updated pictures with the new family members you have added to your family" and Lauren Murray, out of all of the comments, only liked that one comment. Aaron and his girlfriend Kacie are not engaged. They've been together for almost a year so she's certainly not a new member. Could this woman be talking about Andi?

7). Aaron Murray is really active on social media when the episodes are airing. This past Monday when the episode was on he favorited a tweet that said "some of us know the spoilers already, but good luck with everything" so he acknowledges the spoilers and favorites it.

8). Within one hour of each other, both Andi and Josh favorited a tweet that was directed at them each separately, but by the same person. This one is probably just a coincidence, but I found it somewhat interesting.

IrishGal wrote:There is all the blabber mouthing from Josh's family on social media.   

To me, that's a red flag that means the opposite happened. If they think Josh is the F1, imo, that means he's not. LOL.

Ash2214 wrote:In regards as to what we have in regards as to whether or not the spoiler is correct, we're mostly running on what RS has said and those videos, although must of us have been trying to prove it rather than just believe it. All of these below have been found through social media and are 100% accurate. Some people will think all of these little things add up, other don't care much for little things such as these. It's all about personal opinion.

1). Josh's little sister posted a picture to Instagram last night of her with Josh's dog Sabel. Josh was spotted at the Tampa airport and his sister and parents are watching his dog. That tells me he's not home. I don't think that guarantees that he's at a safe house visit, but the timing is definitely funny. Either way I do feel like Andi is 100% having her safe house visit this weekend because this weekend marks two weeks since the FRC. It's usually every other weekend the couple meets up. I think I read that usually they start on Thursday or Friday. Andi and Josh have both "favorited" tweets, but neither of them have actually sent out a tweet, but that could mean nothing. (this was from last weekend)

2).So Hy Dorfman's Twitter is now back. I went to his Twitter and noticed the tweet to Lauren Murray has been deleted although he is still following her. From there, I went to Lauren Murray's Twitter to see if she was still following him and she is. From there, I went to Aaron Murray's Twitter and low and behold, Aaron is was Hy Dorfman. What's interesting, however, is that the page Aaron followed after Hy is the Kansas City Chiefs. Aaron followed them about a day or two after he was drafted by them, which just so happened to be the weekend of the FRC. Hy deleted his Twitter that weekend because I remember thinking "now that the show is done filming they probably don't want him on social media so he doesn't run his mouth." Sorry for making this so long, but basically Aaron followed Hy around the same time as the FRC. I'm not so sure Aaron would be following him if Josh left the Dominican Republic unhappy.

3). Lauren Murray unfollowed four people as of May 29. She's still following Hy. I'm not so sure a woman would be following a guy whose daughter dumped her son and left him heartbroken.  

4). Last weekend, it appears Andi was at a safe house visit with her F1. Josh posted a picture to his twitter. Within 15 minutes of it going up, he deleted it, Andi retweeted her sister's tweet that said they were spending Memorial Day Weekend together, but yet Rachel doesn't post a picture with Andi, she posts one with her husband.

5). This past week, Lauren Murray posted a Facebook status. She received over 20 comments on it. Someone left a comment about how this woman was golfing with Andi's mom and she said Andi's mom was really nice. Out of the 20 or so comments she received on the status the only one Lauren Murray liked was the one calling Andi's mom nice.

6). About three weeks ago, Lauren Murray posted a picture of her, her husband, Josh, Aaron and Stephanie. She received an insane amount of comments on the picture. At least over 40 of people saying different things. One woman said "I can't wait to see all of the updated pictures with the new family members you have added to your family" and Lauren Murray, out of all of the comments, only liked that one comment. Aaron and his girlfriend Kacie are not engaged. They've been together for almost a year so she's certainly not a new member. Could this woman be talking about Andi?

7). Aaron Murray is really active on social media when the episodes are airing. This past Monday when the episode was on he favorited a tweet that said "some of us know the spoilers already, but good luck with everything" so he acknowledges the spoilers and favorites it.

8). Within one hour of each other, both Andi and Josh favorited a tweet that was directed at them each separately, but by the same person. This one is probably just a coincidence, but I found it somewhat interesting.

IMO, those are way too many co-incidences that really don't add up to much.

1) VERY coincidental. Remember to Des's season of how Des and Brooks were quiet or were tweeting at the same time...so many were convinced that they were doing safehouse visits or were in sinc with one another and we know how that turned out.

2) I believe in past seasons, the family of the lead were also active on twitter with lots of the remaining girls/guys at some point.

3) doesn't mean anything significant
4) I believe it was found out that Andi was actually in LA with her sister so definately not a safehouse time
5) Sorry, that doesn't seem to matter. I really don't understand how that is playing a significance in this.
6) Highly unlikely. I really don't see that as meaning anything at all since it is someone that is just a fan and because Josh's family can't say anything, why would they make a big deal of it.
7) Again, doesn't really mean anything of importance. He's proud of his brother is all....
8) Des's season, didn't she favor tweets that were made about her and Brooks??? So why does it mean something special this time???


Again, those thoughts above are mine alone. I am trying to be rational when I look at the points. If I offended you Ash, sorry.

I take no offense at all and you're totally in the right to have your opinion. I like reading everyone's opinion and that's why I'm here! At the same time, however, to say that all eight of those essentially have zero importance and can all be coincidental is, in my opinion, somewhat ridiculous, but I respect your opinion.

I would list all of the reasons why I think so, but I think my posting of the social media instances speaks for itself.

Ash2214 wrote:I take no offense at all and you're totally in the right to have your opinion. I like reading everyone's opinion and that's why I'm here! At the same time, however, to say that all eight of those essentially have zero importance and can all be coincidental is, in my opinion, somewhat ridiculous, but I respect your opinion.  

I would list all of the reasons why I think so, but I think my posting of the social media instances speaks for itself.

Yep, that's fair. Just went on Des's season and how things happened then when so many were so certain of RS's spoiler of Brooks being F1. Many of the social media things happening this time is what happened last season in Des/Brooks. Kind of hard not to make comparrisons.

I agree it's hard to not make the comparisons, but many of those things are different too.
The woman who left the comment on Lauren Murray's Facebook status about can't wait to meet the new family members and new pictures - she was not a stranger. She's Lauren Murray's actual friend that she hangs out with. Out of so many comments, Lauren only acknowledged that one and out of 40 comments on another status, she only acknowledged the one that Andi's mother was sweet. Now why would Lauren do that do you think?

We never got confirmation that Andi was with Rachel. In my post I gave a clear description of that. If Rachel was with Andi, don't you think she would post a picture with her and Andi and not with her husband? And like I said - It all happened within minutes of Josh deleting a picture on Twitter that I think gave away his location. Rachel could have done that as a cover up for Andi and Josh. Not to mention, Josh was definitely out of town that weekend as he was spotted at the airport. We got Twitter confirmation a couple of days ago that he JUST got back to Atlanta - around the same time as Andi.

The fact that Aaron Murray just started following Hy Dorfman AFTER the FRC tells me a lot. Do you think Josh's little brother is going to follow Andi's father on Twitter if Andi dumped Josh at the "altar" and left him heart broken?

Chad Gloer, Josh's close friend has some very descriptive tweets about Josh and Andi.

There are things that I've seen that are adding up that cannot just be meaningless or coincidental, but that's just my opinion. It certainly makes more sense that Andi possibly wearing her hair in a certain style just because that's how she wore it on her date with Chris. I'm just trying to bring a neutral perspective to all of this and do some digging and everyone is entitled to their opinions about it.