The Bachelorette 10 - *Final 1-F2* - Speculation * Sleuthing - Spoilers*

nd4reality wrote:Its great that you guys are finding all this evidence on social media.

I firmly believe it is very early days yet and more sleuthing is needed.

There has been a screencap blackout after HTDs - again a first in the history of the show. Why shake it up now ? Again has to be a reason.

And now Andi a lawyer goes around liking posts that say Josh is the perfect guy for her? It just doesn't add up.

I agree, a lot of things aren't adding up. Sleuthing does need to continue for sure.

Screencap blackout does lead one to think that possibly something does happen from HTD's onward. With the spoiler being out with Josh being F1, why would Andi and Josh do the same stuff on twitter and liking posts that Josh is perfect for her hen the ending is supposed to be secret, UNLESS she is hiding the ACTUAL F1??

I tend to think all of that combined is leading me to believe that someone other than Josh is the F1, who that is right now isn't known....more sleuthing is needed IMO

nd4reality wrote:

brittany4400 wrote:

nd4reality wrote:Its great that you guys are finding all this evidence on social media.

I firmly believe it is very early days yet and more sleuthing is needed.

There has been a screencap blackout after HTDs - again a first in the history of the show. Why shake it up now ? Again has to be a reason.

And now Andi a lawyer goes around liking posts that say Josh is the perfect guy for her? It just doesn't add up.

Stop posting my thoughts    I remember these same type of posts all pointing to brooks last season.

Well you have been often enough posting mine.   

Onwards and upwards.

LOL, can I chime in here and include myself too....LOL. I don't think the F1 spoiler of Josh is a slam dunk yet. More sleuthing needed!   

atem wrote:I'm predicting a lot of people will be changing their tunes episode 5, in regards to keeping their minds open.

Just as some were so certain that Brooks was F1 last season. I am not putting anything by Fleiss and crew. Think we are in for another upset this season too.

Bet2Win wrote:MF has always, from the first season, tried to trick us with the edit regarding the F1.  

In the earlier years, the formula was usually the hot chemistry for the F2, leading everyone to think the F2 would be F1.  Then Jake's season came along, and no trickery was needed as it was pretty much a given that no one would believe that Vienna was F1.      One of my favorite seasons for snark.

At the ATFR for Brad 2.0, Emily said after watching the show she would have picked Chantal.    

MF has always wanted the shock/surprise/keep them guessing ending.  Why would he change now is the question.  Or has he?

Just enjoying reading the conversation here as always but I have to tell you Bet to Win that your dog is the cutest thing I have ever seen!!! Just a side comment: My husband, unspoiled as always thinks Andi will pick Josh due to their "electric" chemistry. I do have to add that we are focused on him more than the others because we live in GA and are familiar with his brother Aaron on the UGA football team. Will discuss the season with an unspoiled coworker tomorrow.

brittany4400 wrote:I just seems rushed! I would rather see two people get to know each other first, ESP after Andi gave JP that verbal assault(I'm exaggerating) about not getting to know her.

Yea, absolutely. I felt that Josh was being crammed down my throat last epi. Too much too fast without other substance to it. IMO, Josh may not be the F1. Still going to sleuth out this season for sure as I feel there is more to find that doesn't include Josh.

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Alanna wrote:I cannot entertain any Nick is f1 spoiler personally, but there may be some issues with Marcus that will prevent Josh a smooth sail into f1. There is zero chemistry with Nick but she's all hot and bothered for Marcus so he's the stiffest competition.

I can agree with you on that but if Marcus leaves at F4 what will they throw at us to doubt Josh being F1?

I think that Chris and Nick will run at Josh. IMO, for some reason, I don't have proof yet, but feel that Josh actually is F3 which leaves Nick and Chris going for F1. Like I said, don't have any absolute proof, but feel that this season will end like Des's as Josh is being edited so far as Brooks was last season with Josh being the hunky/hot guy that actually makes it to the top 3.

One has nothing to do with the other to me. First off, Josh is showing a TON of interest in Andi. Brooks was way laid back to the point that Desiree had to initiate things. So, I don't get the comparison.

MF got his revenge on RS. No point in doing it again.

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composer53 wrote:Interesting, I find Josh adorable. Nick and Chris not so much. Marcus, interesting but not hot.  Will be interesting to see if my opinion of them changes through the course of the show.  There seemed to be a lot of caps of Nick and Andi kissing and I saw no chemistry between them.  Just MO.

To me this kiss looks very Arie2.0

Yes! From what we've seen so far and the previews, there are 2 guys she really seems to enjoy kissing.  You can clearly see the chemistry between her and Josh and Nick.  With Chris she seemed to be pulling away.

Actually with Chris, she was leaning in a few times

Whateva that is what I saw also.  I didn't see her pulling away in fact I saw her initiating a kiss.

I agree, I saw her going in for a few kisses too. IMO, there is actually something there between them...how deep it goes is another matter that I am reserving judgement on for now. I don't see much substance with Josh. Will be interesting to see what happens with Nick.

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GuardianAngel wrote:Unless you keep an open mind, watching the epi's while paying attention to the edit, and the experience one has while watching, you'll never see a love story. I don't see why they would start now.

Unless MF has had a change of heart since he married the former Miss America (that he was a guest judge when she was crowned)

TA.

Its very easy to call it after the fact or even downgrade the relationship because "we" didn't see the connection right off the bat.

I am not prepared to plant the flag on the spoilers. Perhaps they are right like last season when Clare clearly had the chemistry edit while he was busy wooing Nikki and doing sweet things for her.

As MVMom on the non-spoiler section said "Watch who the lead is chasing not who is chasing the lead". That person may not be F1 but is the leads choice regardless of how it pans out.

The bolded is a very good point. I'm not sure anyone here is proclaiming Josh as F1 with complete certainty just because of RS spoiler, I've seen everyone agree that more sluething is needed to determine that. I like the idea of watching who the lead is chasing, but that doesn't always mean they are going to be F1 - Brooks comes to mind. Des did everything she could but he was just not into her. In this case, I don't see that happening so far; Josh seems very interested. But like Des' season, there were no screencaps toward the end for a reason - Brooks left. No screencaps again for the end of this season so far; makes me wonder what is up.

Just to be clear. I am not one of those people that will continue to hard against the spoiler once it is clear to me (either gut feel or actual evidence like that Kite flying picture) that the spoiler is right.

There are folks that continue to argue against all odds. There comes a point that arguing is pointless just for the sake of it. More power to them.

Have any of you talked to a person off lined who is not on any forums? Everyone in my office is not on any forums but watched the show and you know what, Josh is not even registering with them they talked about Eric, Chris and Marcus.... I brought up Josh and what they thought about him and they said who was he, I described him and as the rambling guy with Andi at the cocktail party they oh yeah he cute, I liked their interaction but that was it.....So for some who are saying that Josh is being crammed down the viewers throat, just maybe it's because you know that he is the rumored F1 that you are paying more attention to him, because out of the 10 women in my office none of them were talking about Josh.....

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nd4reality wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:Unless you keep an open mind, watching the epi's while paying attention to the edit, and the experience one has while watching, you'll never see a love story. I don't see why they would start now.

Unless MF has had a change of heart since he married the former Miss America (that he was a guest judge when she was crowned)

TA.

Its very easy to call it after the fact or even downgrade the relationship because "we" didn't see the connection right off the bat.

I am not prepared to plant the flag on the spoilers. Perhaps they are right like last season when Clare clearly had the chemistry edit while he was busy wooing Nikki and doing sweet things for her.

As MVMom on the non-spoiler section said "Watch who the lead is chasing not who is chasing the lead". That person may not be F1 but is the leads choice regardless of how it pans out.

The bolded is a very good point.  I'm not sure anyone here is proclaiming Josh as F1 with complete certainty just because of RS spoiler, I've seen everyone agree that more sluething is needed to determine that. I like the idea of watching who the lead is chasing, but that doesn't always mean they are going to be F1 - Brooks comes to mind. Des did everything she could but he was just not into her. In this case, I don't see that happening so far; Josh seems very interested. But like Des' season, there were no screencaps toward the end for a reason - Brooks left. No screencaps again for the end of this season so far; makes me wonder what is up.

Good Post.
I agree the person being chased is not necessarily the F1. Like Brooks and most specifically Graham.

However, there were FD/LCD SCs for Drew and Chris in Antigua. This season nothing. That is what is more curious.

As some folks have said that Josh is slam dunk after f4 and perhaps that is the reason why there are no SCs. It would be too telling. However I do wonder in 11 years or so of this show on the air, the editors have always been able to manufacture connections by the clever use of Looping, VOs and scene placements even if there was nothing between the lead and the F2 F3 etc.
What is different this time ?