Bachelor Canada - Season 2 - *Sleuthing - *Spoilers* - *Speculation* - Discussion

4health wrote:

northernviewer wrote:that's pretty much how I had them pegged in my post too.

One thing I'd like to say about April ...  I know it's just a figure of speech... but I don't think she's "playing" hard to get...I think she's super leery about opening up and has lots of walls up due to what happened in her 7 yr relationship, plus I think she knows enough about the show to know how many girls have been delusional and thought for sure the lead was in love with them and then let go, heartbroken.  I think she's trying to avoid that at all costs.  

I wasn't going to post until Tuesday but I want to address you and Ash.  I agree to what we have learned since night one.  What I was referencing was the storyline given in Episode 1 and in April's highlight video she states "the bachelor should know that I am a lot more work then other women but I am worth it." plus putting a wager on a pool game for a kiss.  Also on the photoshot time she states that he wouldn't have gotten a kiss unless he did like he did that to me is  "playing" hard to get.  JMO  I didn't say it wasn't fun and a negative but she pretty much admits that in he video in my opinion.  Also in her video she mentions trust issues so no secret there.   Pinned that story a mile away!

She opened up a little bit on her 1:1 but I was stating to the storyline first episode.   Also, on April's 1:1 date there wasn't much physical touching.  I think Tim is a physical touchy kind of guy and I didn't see it with April.  Hence why I say boring and playing hard to get.

northernviewer wrote:Ash - you and I must have been typing our thoughts on April "playing hard to get" at the same time ... great minds

I also find it interesting that his final 2 girls (well who we assume are his F2 for multiples reasons) have both been in long term relationships (one 7 and one 8 yrs) but they ended differently.  Trish ended hers, and April was the one who was cheated on ... wonder if Trish being the one to walk away bothered Tim?  That's quite a long time to be with somebody and then decide they're not right for you.  Wonder if she cheated or just walked away?? hmmmm

4health wrote:

northernviewer wrote:Ash - you and I must have been typing our thoughts on April "playing hard to get" at the same time ... great minds

I also find it interesting that his final 2 girls (well who we assume are his F2 for multiples reasons) have both been in long term relationships (one 7 and one 8 yrs) but they ended differently.  Trish ended hers, and April was the one who was cheated on ... wonder if Trish being the one to walk away bothered Tim?  That's quite a long time to be with somebody and then decide they're not right for you.  Wonder if she cheated or just walked away?? hmmmm

Wow Northern.  Did you really just say that?  She told Tim why "Something just wasn't right" and Tim says that she was strong for making that tough decision.  That must have not bothered Tim he picked her over Rileigh!    Man, I could make another comment but I will hold it so it doesn't come across poorly.  

Ash I think it great that we see thing differently, that is what makes life interesting.  I find it interesting that you both focused on that one comment and didn't even recognized that I stated April is receiving the F1 edit/storyline arc which pretty much is what you both think is correct.  Funny!

Ash2214 wrote:Quick question! As of today, how many months ago did the season end filming? Like 4 months right? Thanks! I'm trying to figure something out in regards to one of the girls SM.

Ash2214 wrote:^ Great, thanks northernviewer!

That makes sense. Instead of doing any real work, I was just taking a look at Trisha's IG considering she's the only girl that has any social media to really look at. She started posting and posted her very first post on her account 19 weeks ago, which is not exactly five months, but about 4 and a half, so the timing fits around when filming ended. I just thought it was interesting that she was posting all old pictures of herself partying in Vegas and laying on boats with guys and the most interesting one, which was one of the first few pictures she started posting when she got home that first week, simply just said "KARMA."

Probably nothing, but still, I found the timing interesting.

Ash2214 wrote:

4health wrote:

northernviewer wrote:that's pretty much how I had them pegged in my post too.

One thing I'd like to say about April ...  I know it's just a figure of speech... but I don't think she's "playing" hard to get...I think she's super leery about opening up and has lots of walls up due to what happened in her 7 yr relationship, plus I think she knows enough about the show to know how many girls have been delusional and thought for sure the lead was in love with them and then let go, heartbroken.  I think she's trying to avoid that at all costs.  

I wasn't going to post until Tuesday but I want to address you and Ash.  I agree to what we have learned since night one.  What I was referencing was the storyline given in Episode 1 and in April's highlight video she states "the bachelor should know that I am a lot more work then other women but I am worth it." plus putting a wager on a pool game for a kiss.  Also on the photoshot time she states that he wouldn't have gotten a kiss unless he did like he did that to me is  "playing" hard to get.  JMO  I didn't say it wasn't fun and a negative but she pretty much admits that in he video in my opinion.  Also in her video she mentions trust issues so no secret there.   Pinned that story a mile away!

She opened up a little bit on her 1:1 but I was stating to the storyline first episode.   Also, on April's 1:1 date there wasn't much physical touching.  I think Tim is a physical touchy kind of guy and I didn't see it with April.  Hence why I say boring and playing hard to get.

I obviously respect your opinion, but I still don't see that as playing hard to get, but it's just my opinion of course. By stating what she did in the opening video, she could have been referencing the fact that she does have trust issues, she's been hurt before, and she won't open up herself as quickly. If anyone has seen the show before at all, they would know that most of the girls after two weeks state they're crazy about the bachelor. I personally just think April was saying hey, it's not easy for me to break down my walls, but if we try, I have a lot to offer someone - it will be worth it. Agree to disagree

Tim was caressing her arm while they sat down on the couch before he gave her the rose, he was caressing her leg while she had it up against the pole when he took her to his spot that he said changed his life, he was holding her hands at that same spot, he held/hugged her again at that same spot and at the night portion of their date, and their kisses were sweet and tender and he was holding her and they were touching foreheads in between kisses. I'd call that being physical and affectionate.

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Aunties_Love wrote:

AllAboutLove wrote:
  Great post, Sprite! Love it!

Regarding the bold, like you, for me this is the key in regards to F1. Is the lead wanting to know more about the person and have her know more about him? Who is the lead chasing? Initially, like you said, it may be about physical connection/attraction, but the deeper connection, and the lead trying to bring that out, is what indicates who the F1 may be. The "will this work in the real world"... "is she as into me as I am into her?" chase. April is the only one that fits into being chased (as you said, literally and figuratively) and thus F1. 

Tim said he waited a long time to have his date with April in his HT and he also stated in his blog that it was to answer any of April's doubts/questions (fitting in his world, who he is, what makes him, him). He could sense her doubt but wanted her to open up and to trust him. He wanted to know more about her and to do so he showed more of himself. HTDs are usually where the lead gets to see if he fits into the world of one of the girls, the fact that Tim had a HTD of his own, shows he wanted someone (April) to see if they would want to fit in his world. He introduces April to his best friend+fiance and then on his own meets with his parents as well, in interviews stating that they saw his smile and knew he would have a positive ending? His HTD was actually Tim putting himself on the block, so to speak. April stated in her blog that she didn't want to meet his best friend, that it was 'unwanted' because it was too serious too fast. But she said that she was mistaken and it actually helped her learn more about Tim. And that was his point in doing that - to reveal more of himself to her in order to gain her trust and hopefully answer any questions/doubts she had about him. 

As obvious as it may seem that April is F1, it is obvious for the simple reason of who the lead is chasing. It is never about his doubts about the girl but about reassuring any doubts the girl may have about him (or the process). Brad has stated in his blogs that April makes Tim work for it and that is what guys do when they are truly interested. This courting ritual, of the guy chasing the girl, does not disappear just because one is on a show. If anything, it probably heightens that feeling in the lead, propels them to chase harder, faster, and sooner.

This male chasing woman scenario is centuries old, ingrained in the social fabric of male-female courtship. Put one man in a world of The Bachelor and that will come to the forefront, each and every time. No matter what else happens, it is the constant. Tim has shown thus far that he is chasing April... and April wants to be chased. 

Case in point: April's own intro on Episode 1, she says how it may be harder for a guy to get her but that she believes that she will be worth it for him in the end. There is playing hard to get and then there just is hard to get, based on hesitancy regarding the whole experience of being on a show to find love and/or one's past experiences. In April's case, a 7 yr relationship where her trust was betrayed shows this girl can commit (she thought she would marry her ex/7 years is a long time) so she won't go into anything rushed. It is important to note that, given what we know from what we saw (Tim+April at his life-changing spot) and her blog (April meeting Tim's best friend) how they ended their date... Tim tells her he wants her to stick around and then asks her "do you want to stick around?" He had just given her a day of being in 'the life of Tim' and was still chasing her...

The fact that the Canadian franchise is different from the USA one complete with different editors, producers, production company and how they edited season one was different than how the USA edits their seasons.  For that reason among others, I feel that we can't use "blanket" editing tricks.  editing meaning who says what about whom - this includes what the lead says as well as the ladies.  For that reason, are we getting the true edit?  In season 1, Brad kept talking about his connection with Whitney, his feelings towards her, how they connected from beginning to end and so much more.  With that in mind, to me, it goes along what Tim is being edited to say with April.  When it came down to Brad telling Whitney about his history(the backstory on the tattoo and him crying), etc, it was all with the same words/phrases that Tim used on April with regards to letting her in with him.  So much of how April is being edited with regards to the back story, how Tim wants to let her in so that she will open up to him is exactly what Brad said about Whitney.  If that's the case, it really doesn't lend well to April being F1.

Aunties Love, I am loving seeing your perspective. Keeps me on my toes. Especially your focus on Trisha (I saw April and Trisha as the main girls from episode 1)...

I guess I am focusing on the constant (who the lead chases) rather than production, edit (obvious vs hidden) or past seasons. For example, other than looking at TBUSA, when looking at another TB franchise in its infancy, The Bachelor Australia season 1, the edit is the same as Brad and Biancas, with Anna being more hidden with Tim (Australia) as Bianca was. With regards to season 2 of TBAustralia, Sam (the F1) was obvious from the get go and to everyone, the viewers and the contestants. Either way, the constant between these differing edits (hidden vs. obvious) is that the lead still chased the F1 more than he chased the others.

What I notice is what Tim has done regarding Trisha. As much as one can say he has focused on her, which is true, one can counterbalance that with some very unfocused behaviour as well:
- On Ep5 Wonderland date, Tim makes out with Kaylynn right in front of Trisha (she could see it) 
- On Ep 4 2-on-1 Date, Trisha asks Tim whom he wished he had along with him (the show) and Tim tells her his best guy friends. The next date he takes April, not Trisha, to meet his best guy friend...
- On Ep 3 Tim goes to find April who wandered off on her own on the beach and Trisha doesn't seem too chuffed about it

Despite this, I can see where you are coming from, specifically based on the 'hidden edit'. I did say in the first episode thread that this is between April and Trisha, with possible April as F1 and Trisha as F2 (possibly could be F1 if she is hidden and it is a hidden edit). Imo, based on Trisha and April being in the intro videos and the camera focusing on her a lot, when she wasn't saying anything, just panning to her face. She was also the last rose handed out, which usually is done on purpose to add to the suspense. What I find interesting is what Tim said about and to Trisha on the 2-on-1 date. Trisha tells Tim about her 8 year relationship, that she got engaged, and that she broke off her engagement because she just knew it wasn't meant to be for her, even though there was nothing wrong. One can look at this and see Tim feeling the same way and thus has a feeling about Trisha that he wants to keep her because it is just right. Conversely, one can look at this as keeping Trisha towards the end, and especially if it is April and Trisha as the last F2 girls, telling Trisha that there is nothing wrong, but that it is just the intangible feeling that Trisha herself had so she would understand if she is not F1. 


P.S. I think that it is difficult to not make April F1 because we have sleuthed that she not only gets a HTD but also is seen in Moorea. So that knowledge correlates with what has been shown thus far with Tim's own HTD and her being an obvious edit and F1. I guess, for me, I prefer the obvious love story line. Yes there is not as much suspense or mystery, but life is mystery enough and so I like watching two people fall in love and having the suspense as filler to keep some action going. That is just my own preference though and of course can skew my view and make me biased. Love reading your perspective though! It keeps me looking for more clues/confirmations rather than just writing it off.