Juan Pablo Galavis - Nikki Ferrell - Bachelor 18 - Discussion

I'm not that happy at the way JP treated those not named Nikki or Sharleen. I don't care if he can't act, show a little empathy. I won't go so far to say he was the worst bachelor but probably the least prepared to be the bachelor. I liked him earlier on but changed my mind as the season wore on. If I didn't like Nikki I wouldn't even bother thinking about this. I just hope she knows what she's doing.

Amberish wrote:

Isabel123 wrote:

GuardianAngel wrote:

Amberish wrote:

That's what happened, isn't it? He burst her (Bachelor) bubble by spending their alone time complaining about the show, etc., instead of showing interest in her is my impression of what happened. She ended her Fantasy Date furious and quit, right?

The way I saw it, she complained all JPG talked about was himself all night. He wasn't interested in her at all. He didn't ask questions about religion or future or whatever. He OTOH thought it was a great night,they talked and laughed. She tells him she wants to leave, he doesn't even know what Religion she practices, he says its okay, he understands, well, for some reason, it's not okay.  

You are right GA, JPG is not into her and vice versa. JPG is OK about it but Andi took an exception for the lack of interest.

Yes, that would be the episode edit, but she expanded and said he also complained about production when she told her story at the WTA.  

The MAJORITY of Juan Pablo's suitors called him out for bad behavior during the WTA. Could very well be his ill behavior isn't representative of who he really is today, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't embrace who he was during the show. Why white wash?

Amberish, you are always spot on imo.  :Nod: 

GuardianAngel wrote:
Yes! I forgot about that. These are my opinions. That was all part of the plan. They didn't like him, viewers didn't like him, TPTB knew that. By the time the WTA came around, that was their only chance to show the viewers they were on their side. They threw him under the bus, because he would not cooperate. CH said it well in the interview that was posted recently, "he didn't give himself to the producers".   

When Andi said that on national TV that he didn't cooperate, it was so obvious to me, she was coached, just like she was during her exit. She sounded like a school girl tattling on him.

He couldn't pretend to have interest in those girls, he couldn't pretend he was in love with two women, he couldn't be devastated that Andi or anyone else wanted to go. Sure go ahead was his attitude, he understands, that if someone wants to go, then they shouldn't be there. There is not one lead that I could remember that reacted the way he did when someone wanted to go. They all fall apart, and there's so much drama. There's a lot of acting, and IMO he couldn't do it, because it wasn't honest. These are just my thoughts.

JPG was not a fit for this gig at all. He couldn't act, he didn't do what they wanted him to do, he said weird things, his English is not good at all, he didn't understand half of what those girls were saying to him, it was difficult to understand him, they obviously gave him English lessons, which made him look even less educated, everything went over his head, because he didn't get it, he wasn't going to propose, and that whole conversation with Clare is not any different than Brad/Chantal  -even Emily was convinced he was in love with Chantel while she watched on Monday nights, Chantel slaps Brad for all the things he said to her. Sean/Lindsey,  Sean tells Lindsay she's the best friend he's been looking for and could see her as his wife down the road.

TPTB didn't realize he was so opposite of what they thought, after CH repeatedly says the viewers loved him, so they choose him, covering their butts. No one takes responsibility, they just crucify them on National TV.

I like this couple for two reasons, because they are truly happy, and I give him a lot of guts for taking all this crap for doing what he felt was honest. He has been the same person before the show and after.

I don't have any favourites. I just want to see the love story, and figure it all out while watching every epi. Even Ali who I didn't care for, I was happy to be part of a sleuthing bunch that figured it out and that she indeed, chose hunky Roberto.  

Agree with the points you made GA. TPTB worked hard to make JPG out to be a bad guy and many viewers bought it. Yet, he handled many tricky situations quite well. He showed real compassion to the poor drunk girl early in the season, visiting with her in her room and quietly sending her home right away. He sent the very young single mom home as soon as he knew there wasn't a future for them. He even tried to avoid kissing the ones he wasn't that interested in by playing the "dad card".

He was very interested in Nikki, Clare, Sharleen and Rene but knew he had a show - and contract - to fulfill. Andi is a smart gal and certainly knew that JPG wasn't interested. She isn't the type to graciously accept "he's just not that into you"   

The show was successful as it produced a very happy couple! Rene' married her long time sweetheart, Andi gets her own gig and maybe we'll see the lovely Clare on BIP.

I always wondered if JPG deliberately made that crass remark to Clare in the helicopter to bring her to the realization that she was not the one. Clumsy and misguided, but it should have worked. And Clare....why on earth would she share a remark like that with the camera? It boggles my mind. I would have really kept that to myself, not wanting the whole world to know I had slept with the lead.

The same goes for Andi's fantasy date. Maybe he deliberately talked about himself all night to show her he was not interested in her. Not a bad way to start the separation process. My guess is that she already knew she was being groomed for the Bachette, but he did not.

So JPG was an asshole to two of his final 3 and that's ok because he deliberately decided to be an asshole to make it clear to them he wasn't into them? Ummm...in what universe is that acceptable? Not mine!

albean99 wrote:I'm not that happy at the way JP treated those not named Nikki or Sharleen. I don't care if he can't act, show a little empathy. I won't go so far to say he was the worst bachelor but probably the least prepared to be the bachelor. I liked him earlier on but changed my mind as the season wore on. If I didn't like Nikki I wouldn't even bother thinking about this. I just hope she knows what she's doing.

I would add Renee to the list of those who didn't have a problem with JPG. Also Kelly didn't seem to have a big problem with him either and tweeted after that she was okay with JPG.

I thought most of the women on JPG's season were boring and annoying. I thought he got a really lame group of girls. I also thought TPTB pushed to make everyone kind of anti-JPG, but that could just be my opinion.

I guess for me the women from his season I liked most, liked JPG, so I tend to believe them.

IrishGal wrote:So JPG was an asshole to two of his final 3 and that's ok because he deliberately decided to be an asshole to make it clear to them he wasn't into them? Ummm...in what universe is that acceptable? Not mine!

Me either, IG. I don't blame everything on the show. JP still handled things very badly and I don't see why it was okay for him to treat Clare and Andi that way. He was nice to Rene but it was also clear he wasn't interested in her romantically. Kelly and Andi probably aren't going to say much about him now because he's with their friend.

IrishGal wrote:So JPG was an asshole to two of his final 3 and that's ok because he deliberately decided to be an asshole to make it clear to them he wasn't into them? Ummm...in what universe is that acceptable? Not mine!

I didn't say it was okay.....but I have to say that I view this show as kind of a sick joke anyway. Everyone behaves in abnormal ways because it is an abnormal situation where there are people all around you encouraging you to do and feel things you would never in the real world partake in. It truly is a "bubble" or like being down Alice's rabbit hole. Some people can navigate through it without too much going awry (but not many) and some people crash and burn. I don't really look at any of the cast as being who they normally are while they are on the show. Hopefully, it is a learning and growing experience for all of them by giving them the opportunity to examine how they behave under these kinds of stresses. JMO

I agree that JPG could have handled the LCD with Clare much better and understood her being upset.

I don't know that Andi was treated that poorly. None of us know what happened in that FS. I personally thought Andi was acting about how upset she was to confirm the bachelorette. I could be wrong, but Andi seems okay with JPG so I don't think he was really that bad to her. Andi is coming out far ahead of where she would have been with JPG.

As far as Andi and Kelly not saying anything bad about their friend's bf. Andi had no problem saying bad stuff about him on either the WTA or AFTR, I just don't think Andi really cared that much about JPG and most of her being upset was producer motivated. Again I could be wrong and we will never know.

I thought JPG tried to be interested in women who bored me to tears, and yes some say he slut shamed Clare. I rewatched their scene, which I never do, and it seemed to me he turned to Camila to get his point that he didn't want a repeat of the night to happen when nothing else would get through to Clare. I do think after his 1:1 with Nikki things changed for JPG and he got over some of his lust induced liking of Clare.

I don't think JPG was perfect, but I didn't find him as offensive as some did. I also liked his cast of women the least of any since Jake's season. In my opinion this was the most poorly casted season of this show. I am happy in the end we got a couple who seems to genuinely want to make a go of it (not like Jake and Vienna) and a bachelorette who will hopefully be a lot of fun to watch and I got to met two really cool ladies, Sharleen and Kelly. Also Renee came out ahead with the man she probably always loved and a happy life in Seattle. For such a sucky season, plenty of good seems to have come out of it.

I will admit that I started out the season not being very excited about Juan Pablo as the bachelor, but I watched anyway. I actually started to like him more and more as the season progressed. I started to feel slightly sorry for him with the edit he was getting from TPTB. The only thing I really took issue with was the way he treated Clare. I did not like how he treated her with the whole late night swim in the ocean, and I did not like the comment he made to her in the helicopter ride. I also didn't like how he treated her at the FRC. I get that Clare said some things to him that he didn't like, but he did not have to make the comment that he was glad that he didn't pick her. I think the F2 at any FRC (in any and all seasons) should be cut some slack for having been led on, so if they say some things that the lead doesn't like, then they should just let it go. I actually didn't mind the whole situation with Andi and how he reacted to her leaving. I think he was just trying to tell her that it was okay that she was leaving and that if she (or anyone else) wasn't feeling it, then they should just leave. I also don't think that Andi would have gotten a rose at the F3 rose ceremony so there was probably some relief on Juan Pablo's part that he didn't have to be the one to let her go. I think the whole thing was just setup to give Andi a storyline into being the next bachelorette.

Then Juan Pablo completely lost me at the ATFR show. I get that he was upset, but he acted like a petulant child, and in the process he totally and completely disrespected Nikki and their relationship. The fact that Nikki seems to be okay with the way he acted does not excuse his behavior to me in the least. There were other bachelors that had an even worse experience than he did (Brad 1.0 and Jason come to mind) and yet they did not act in the disrespectful and angry manner that he did. This show has been on for umpteen seasons, and as the lead of the show, you better make darn sure you know how the process works before you sign up to do it. The fact that Juan Pablo didn't know enough about the show and how it works is his fault, no one elses. Juan Pablo was actually on Des's season and made it to F6. If he didn't watch his season while it was airing, he should have at least watched it after he was approached to be The Bachelor so he could get more of a grasp and a handle on how everything works.

As for Juan Pablo and Nikki, it seems like they are trying to make it work and both seem happy for now; however, I honestly I don't feel like what they are living now is "real life" though. To me, It's just not real to work 3 nursing shifts in a row and then travel all around the country going to various events together and then repeat the whole process again the following week. To me that just does not seem to be a feasible real life scenario. I don't know how anyone can financially, emotionally or physically keep up that type of situation long term. Real life will be when they live in the same city and truly start merging their lives. I feel like Nikki would have to be the one to move to where Juan Pablo lives because of his daughter. But when that happens, is Juan Pablo still going to be jet setting across the country leaving Nikki alone most of the time? If Juan Pablo's life style is traveling so much, then perhaps that is the reason he is still a bachelor? If it is meant to be, I hope everything works out for them. I just want to note that I love Sean and Catherine, and they are my favorite couple from the franchise, but I don't feel like they started living a "real life" until they got out of Hollywood and away from DWTS and all the media appearances. Once Juan Pablo and Nikki are out of the media spotlight a little bit more and start leading a more settled life will be the true test if their relationship is meant to be and if they will make it for the long term.

I am a little bit surprised that Juan Pablo and Nikki went to the taping of DWTS given how angry Juan Pablo seemed to be at everyone related to The Bachelor, ABC, DWTS, etc. It seem like Juan Pablo was mad at TPTB that he didn't get the gig of being on DWTS. If he should have been mad at anyone, it should have been at the producers of DWTS, so that is why I was so surprised that he went to the taping of the show. Perhaps he is trying to make amends now?

I just hope that Nikki knows what she is doing and doesn't end up getting hurt in the end. I do feel that Juan Pablo has been showing Nikki how he feels about her since the show ended, but I still can't get past how he treated her on ATFR. It would be terrible to see her get her heart broken after investing so much in Juan Pablo.

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Sable, thanks for your opinion. I don't think that Nikki felt disrespected by JPG at the AFTR. I can understand people hating his behavior there. His anger did make it uncomfortable. I believe he cleared his behavior with Nikki before hand, but who knows.

As for having a hard time with someone who travels so much. I have definite experience. My husband will be home for one day this month. He left on Sunday will return late Friday night and then leave again Sunday morning and be gone until after Memorial Day. I know this is the travel that is required for my hubby's work, he loves his job and I love him. His worst year he spent over 5 months total on the road, so I get that Nikki and JPG have a different relationship than most. This relationship wouldn't be for everyone but it works for us. I don't travel with my hubby a lot because I am a graduate student. In the future as my schedule frees up I plan to join him more in places that are fun. He travels so much that I don't have to pay for plane tickets due to his frequent flyer miles. His work pays for his hotel, so it really doesn't cost that much for me to travel.

Right now Nikki and JPG enjoy this, so good for them. I agree that if they are to work long term Nikki will have to move to JPG because of Camila, but I think she already knew that. JPG is letting her know what his life is like, so that when she makes her decision she will make it knowing what her life will be.

Nikki is a strong and confident woman, she will be okay. I know that her relationship with JPG wouldn't be for everyone, but so far it works for them so I have no problem with it.

Sable wrote:I will admit that I started out the season not being very excited about Juan Pablo as the bachelor, but I watched anyway.  I actually started to like him more and more as the season progressed.  I started to feel slightly sorry for him with the edit he was getting from TPTB.  The only thing I really took issue with was the way he treated Clare.  I did not like how he treated her with the whole late night swim in the ocean, and I did not like the comment he made to her in the helicopter ride.  I also didn't like how he treated her at the FRC.  I get that Clare said some things to him that he didn't like, but he did not have to make the comment that he was glad that he didn't pick her.  I think the F2 at any FRC (in any and all seasons) should be cut some slack for having been led on, so if they say some things that the lead doesn't like, then they should just let it go.  I actually didn't mind the whole situation with Andi and how he reacted to her leaving.  I think he was just trying to tell her that it was okay that she was leaving and that if she (or anyone else) wasn't feeling it, then they should just leave.  I also don't think that Andi would have gotten a rose at the F3 rose ceremony so there was probably some relief on Juan Pablo's part that he didn't have to be the one to let her go.  I think the whole thing was just setup to give Andi a storyline into being the next bachelorette.

Then Juan Pablo completely lost me at the  ATFR show.  I get that he was upset, but he acted like a petulant child, and in the process he totally and completely disrespected Nikki and their relationship.  The fact that Nikki seems to be okay with the way he acted does not excuse his behavior to me in the least.  There were other bachelors that had an even worse experience than he did (Brad 1.0 and Jason come to mind) and yet they did not act in the disrespectful and angry manner that he did.  This show has been on for umpteen seasons, and as the lead of the show, you better make darn sure you know how the process works before you sign up to do it.  The fact that Juan Pablo didn't know enough about the show and how it works is his fault, no one elses.  Juan Pablo was actually on Des's season and made it to F6.  If he didn't watch his season while it was airing, he should have at least watched it after he was approached to be The Bachelor so he could get more of a grasp and a handle on how everything works.

As for Juan Pablo and Nikki, it seems like they are trying to make it work and both seem happy for now; however, I honestly I don't feel like what they are living now is "real life" though.  To me, It's just not real to work 3 nursing shifts in a row and then travel all around the country going to various events together and then repeat the whole process again the following week.  To me that just does not seem to be a feasible real life scenario.  I don't know how anyone can financially, emotionally or physically keep up that type of situation long term.  Real life will be when they live in the same city and truly start merging their lives. I feel like Nikki would have to be the one to move to where Juan Pablo lives because of his daughter.  But when that happens, is Juan Pablo still going to be jet setting across the country leaving Nikki alone most of the time?  If Juan Pablo's life style is traveling so much, then perhaps that is the reason he is still a bachelor?  If it is meant to be, I hope everything works out for them.  I just want to note that I love Sean and Catherine, and they are my favorite couple from the franchise, but I don't feel like they started living a "real life" until they got out of Hollywood and away from DWTS and all the media appearances.  Once Juan Pablo and Nikki are out of the media spotlight a little bit more and start leading a more settled life will be the true test if their relationship is meant to be and if they will make it for the long term.

I am a little bit surprised that Juan Pablo and Nikki went to the taping of DWTS given how angry Juan Pablo seemed to be at everyone related to The Bachelor, ABC, DWTS, etc.  It seem like Juan Pablo was mad at TPTB that he didn't get the gig of being on DWTS.  If he should have been mad at anyone, it should have been at the producers of DWTS, so that is why I was so surprised that he went to the taping of the show.  Perhaps he is trying to make amends now?

I just hope that Nikki knows what she is doing and doesn't end up getting hurt in the end.  I do feel that Juan Pablo has been showing Nikki how he feels about her since the show ended, but I still can't get past how he treated her on ATFR.  It would be terrible to see her get her heart broken after investing so much in Juan Pablo.

Thank you to the mods for opening up this thread for discussion!

Well said, Sable