*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 Edit Discussions #2

grace8136 wrote:

eirekay wrote:

4health wrote:Watching that scene….I still would like to know why is abc / the franchise doing this. Have they ever done this before…..and why now just before the FRC….and even ATFR ….. any thoughts out there? I can't come up with one ….YET

I had the same question.  The only answer I can come up with is so that we understand why F1, and possibly F2 dump JP.  If JP were going to ride happily off into the sunset with either Nikki or Clare, TPTB would want to paint this as another in a series of recent successes.

I agree. It seems likely that there will be no proposal, but would that be enough for TPTB to go this route? The only thing that makes me think that he and Nikki walk away dating is the "little package" photos if indeed that rumor is true. Would they have an AFTR if there is no couple?

I may be wrong but I don't recall there being an AFTR for Travis Stork's season as he and Sarah Stone announced their break-up the morning after the finale aired (back then, the AFTR typically aired the night following the finale.

Of course, they were a "faux" couple all along, albeit it appears that they did develop a friendship during the season.[/quote]

sneak peek of the finale with Clare and JP' mom…..

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4health wrote:sneak peek of the finale with Clare and JP' mom…..

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Yikes!

albean99 wrote:

4health wrote:So I guess my question to albean99 is how do you consider Nikki as the F1 hidden edit.  She has 55K tweeter followers and Clare has 26K.  In just PI's alone (yes I went and tallied them) here is the break down. (included pre-season preview) Pi's were personal interviews that were not in the moment…where a comment was edited into that time when it was obvious that it was a different time.

Nikki 40+
Clare 42+  

So the edit did not hide Nikki what so ever JMO

RC 1:1 time shown
Nikki only one time that wasn't shown and that was Vietnam & one other
Clare - the only time Clare & JP's 1:1 at a RC was shown was Vietnam and Korea

I can go on….but Nikki I believe was not hidden this season

It's possible Clare doesn't have as many followers because she isn't hidden and maybe people don't like her.    I was talking about Clare's edit and not Nikki's. Nikki isn't as hidden as Catherine was but neither was Emily. The f1 can have different edits based on what's happened on dates but the f2 women have often gotten the chemistry edit, they're not there to make friends but to get more time with the guy, causes some drama, are emotional (remember Clare running into the house after seeing Sharleen & JP kissing?), etc.

What if this is a repeat result of Jake's season. The finale is in the same place, the chemistry edit that season was F1, whose to say it isn't again??

On the Bachelor, does one of the finalists always wear a one shouldered dress? Someone posted Vienna, I saw Sean's season and Catherine's dress was such, and also Brad 2. Don't recall any further back. Just curious.
My opinion: while the cut and color of these dresses suit each wearer, the fabric makes them very outdated and boring.

notarose wrote:On the Bachelor, does one of the finalists always wear a one shouldered dress?  Someone posted Vienna, I saw Sean's season and Catherine's dress was such, and also Brad 2.  Don't recall any further back.  Just curious.
My opinion: while the cut and color of these dresses suit each wearer, the fabric makes them very outdated and boring.

We have Cary Fetman to blame for the dresses. He is the stylist for the show and picks a bunch of dresses for the F2 to pick from. I guess he likes one shouldered gowns. In the article below he discusses the F2's dresses.

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Mirzam wrote:

notarose wrote:On the Bachelor, does one of the finalists always wear a one shouldered dress?  Someone posted Vienna, I saw Sean's season and Catherine's dress was such, and also Brad 2.  Don't recall any further back.  Just curious.
My opinion: while the cut and color of these dresses suit each wearer, the fabric makes them very outdated and boring.

We have Cary Fetman to blame for the dresses. He is the stylist for the show and picks a bunch of dresses for the F2 to pick from. I guess he likes one shouldered gowns. In the article below he discusses the F2's dresses.

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Thanks Mirzam! If he only gave them 1 bag there likely wasn't much to choose from. The girls' FD dresses were nicer.

notarose wrote:

Mirzam wrote:

notarose wrote:On the Bachelor, does one of the finalists always wear a one shouldered dress?  Someone posted Vienna, I saw Sean's season and Catherine's dress was such, and also Brad 2.  Don't recall any further back.  Just curious.
My opinion: while the cut and color of these dresses suit each wearer, the fabric makes them very outdated and boring.

We have Cary Fetman to blame for the dresses. He is the stylist for the show and picks a bunch of dresses for the F2 to pick from. I guess he likes one shouldered gowns. In the article below he discusses the F2's dresses.

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Thanks Mirzam!  If he only gave them 1 bag there likely wasn't much to choose from.  The girls' FD dresses were nicer.

This is what I was thinking not much to choose from. They need to fire him if that is the best he can do but I have also seen others that were just as ugly.

nonnie wrote:

notarose wrote:

Mirzam wrote:

notarose wrote:On the Bachelor, does one of the finalists always wear a one shouldered dress?  Someone posted Vienna, I saw Sean's season and Catherine's dress was such, and also Brad 2.  Don't recall any further back.  Just curious.
My opinion: while the cut and color of these dresses suit each wearer, the fabric makes them very outdated and boring.

We have Cary Fetman to blame for the dresses. He is the stylist for the show and picks a bunch of dresses for the F2 to pick from. I guess he likes one shouldered gowns. In the article below he discusses the F2's dresses.

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Thanks Mirzam!  If he only gave them 1 bag there likely wasn't much to choose from.  The girls' FD dresses were nicer.

This is what I was thinking not much to choose from. They need to fire him if that is the best he can do but I have also seen others that were just as ugly.

I totally agree with this. My recall of Molly's dress for sure. I thought that was the worst I had seen. It looked like a high school choir uniform dress! I think Feldman does a pretty good job with the lead most of the time but the contestants he dresses have little to be desired.JMO

Muslady wrote:

nonnie wrote:

notarose wrote:

Mirzam wrote:

notarose wrote:On the Bachelor, does one of the finalists always wear a one shouldered dress?  Someone posted Vienna, I saw Sean's season and Catherine's dress was such, and also Brad 2.  Don't recall any further back.  Just curious.
My opinion: while the cut and color of these dresses suit each wearer, the fabric makes them very outdated and boring.

We have Cary Fetman to blame for the dresses. He is the stylist for the show and picks a bunch of dresses for the F2 to pick from. I guess he likes one shouldered gowns. In the article below he discusses the F2's dresses.

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Thanks Mirzam!  If he only gave them 1 bag there likely wasn't much to choose from.  The girls' FD dresses were nicer.

This is what I was thinking not much to choose from. They need to fire him if that is the best he can do but I have also seen others that were just as ugly.

I totally agree with this. My recall of Molly's dress for sure.  I thought that was the worst I had seen.  It looked like a high school choir uniform dress!  I think Feldman does a pretty good job with the lead most of the time but the contestants he dresses have little to be desired.JMO

I agree Molly's was bad. I thought Emily's was way to heavy looking and bulky. I didn't care for Catherine's. These gals are so slim and he doesn't accentuate their bodies with a decent dress. The contrast between Clare's and Nikki's is crazy. Clare's looks heavy and Nikki's is cheap looking fabric. I like Nikki's style of dress but not the fabric per say.

nonnie wrote:

Muslady wrote:

nonnie wrote:

notarose wrote:

Mirzam wrote:

notarose wrote:On the Bachelor, does one of the finalists always wear a one shouldered dress?  Someone posted Vienna, I saw Sean's season and Catherine's dress was such, and also Brad 2.  Don't recall any further back.  Just curious.
My opinion: while the cut and color of these dresses suit each wearer, the fabric makes them very outdated and boring.

We have Cary Fetman to blame for the dresses. He is the stylist for the show and picks a bunch of dresses for the F2 to pick from. I guess he likes one shouldered gowns. In the article below he discusses the F2's dresses.

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Thanks Mirzam!  If he only gave them 1 bag there likely wasn't much to choose from.  The girls' FD dresses were nicer.

This is what I was thinking not much to choose from. They need to fire him if that is the best he can do but I have also seen others that were just as ugly.

I totally agree with this. My recall of Molly's dress for sure.  I thought that was the worst I had seen.  It looked like a high school choir uniform dress!  I think Feldman does a pretty good job with the lead most of the time but the contestants he dresses have little to be desired.JMO

I agree Molly's was bad. I thought Emily's was way to heavy looking and bulky. I didn't care for Catherine's. These gals are so slim and he doesn't accentuate their bodies with a decent dress. The contrast between Clare's and Nikki's is crazy. Clare's looks heavy and Nikki's is cheap looking fabric. I like Nikki's style of dress but not the fabric per say.

Most all the Final girls have pretty decent taste (give or take a few) and I'm sure they gag over what is chosen for them. I wonder if he thinks he is concealing the F1 by dressing them as such. This season for sure Clare and Nikki have had much cuter clothes even on the casual dates than these dresses. I always feel he is out for color rather than style. He seems to choose a style they can't see themselves in. JMO but that is mean and unfair with pressure they are already dealing with.

Aunties_Love wrote:On that video, we have ID'd or heard the voice overs except this one: "I hope Juan Pablo dies".

So far... my rundown with the all-too-rare Nikki highlighted in red. If F1, she clocks less footage than any previous F1. Jordan Paul just had a few shots but a LOT of voice-over discussing his relationship with Ashley. Catherine had ten shots total, eight with Sean... but she was often slightly hidden. Clare is consistent with the MOST visible F1s Chris last season and Roberto, whom I believe had the most shots.

A composite of the three promos (at E! site, Countdown To Juan Pablo and Episode #1) that vary only with a few additional lines here and there.

Juan VO: This adventure is going to be something unforgettable / Juan shown, waterfall… then bungee jump scene with Chelsie
Chelsie VO: Oh this is so cool! / plane ride, wild horses
Juan VO: These women… / several ladies in Korea: Chelsie, Nikki (middle back) and Elise
Juan VO: … are so… / photo shoot: Juan and Renee
Juan VO: … amazing. / fireworks
Clare VO: Look at this! This is ridiculous./ Juan on nighttime building with Renee.
Renee VO: Juan Pablo is definitely the sexiest Bachelor in Bachelor history / pop music performance group date with Chelsie smacking her behind and Juan dancing on stage
Girls cheering Juan Pablo as a group by waterside
Cassandra VO: He’s a good dad / Juan with Camilla
Cassandra VO: He’s husband material / Juan shaking his champagne bottle
Clare VO: This is, like, the coolest thing ever / mountains, followed by Juan kissing Clare
Juan talking: I want you to smile and I want your cheeks to hurt / Juan and Andi in Vietnam
Andi VO: He’s charming and he’s comforting and he’s just so genuine / Juan and Nikki scaling down cave, followed by another scenic aerial shot
___ VO: That’s my dream guy / kissing Sharleen on city boat, Ogo race in New Zealand
Juan VO: I’m so glad you’re here / Korean park (Sharleen)
Clare VO: It couldn’t feel… / Juan hugging Clare
Clare VO: … any more amazing. / Cassandra jumping off boat with Juan
Andi VO: This is freakin’ awesome. / aerial of coastline hill with Juan embracing Clare
Clare VO: Just being here is more… / hill shot morphs into nighttime Seoul
Clare seen: … than I expected in my whole life.
Juan telling her: This is the real deal
Juan VO: I look ahead / Korean market place
Juan VO: … and I see something good / Juan with Chelsie, followed by sail boat scene
Juan VO: We’re on the right… / kissing Clare in tropical boat
Juan VO: … path. This is what I need. This is what I want. / tropical stream with Andi, followed by waterfall embrace with Andi.
Andi VO: I want that undeniable chemistry / music concert scene with Kat
Andi VO: … and just a great love / Juan kissing Sharleen at night
silhouette people (looks like Clare)
Cassandra VO: This is what it is supposed to be / back view of Juan and Sharleen
Juan VO: This is freakin’ beautiful / Juan and Clare on boat with pillows
Juan VO: I can see my future / aerials of a lake
Juan VO: … and my daughter’s future / Juan horseback riding with a Nikki (both looking at buildings in the distance)
Juan telling Cassandra: This is so good / followed by brief shot with brunette in water
Juan VO: This just feels so right / Juan kissing Clare
Renee VO: I’m completely madly crazy in-love with him. / Andi embracing Juan
Juan VO: It’s just perfect / Juan kissing Clare
Juan solo nighttime walk in Korea… you can hear the crickets, but you know all won’t stay quiet.
Sharleen VO: I absolutely never thought it was going to be this hard / Cassandra crying
Girls observing on Juan’s soccer field: “Are they kissing? Yeah, they totally are.”
Andi VO: It’s hard to watch someone that you are connecting with… / Nikki hugging Juan
Andi VO: … connect with other people / Andi
Sharleen to Juan before kissing/hugging him: I just don’t think anyone is looking
Andi VO: seeing him attracted to someone who is very different than you, it’s discouraging / looks like Andi smirking among three others
Victoria VO: Give me three shots of Patrón and I’ll be topless / nighttime bikini babe
Chelsie VO: These are crazy girls / Kelly whispering to Christine (?)
Bikini gals taking off their tops, saying “hello hello!” to any peepers on patrol.
Chelsie shown: They are the reason that I am crying.
Kat having bikini fun with Juan… Woooh!
Kelly VO: Are you that big of an idiot? / Clare covering her eyes from the sun (promo #1)… this shot is cut from the January 5th promo. Instead we jump into the next shot:
Dark scene with Cassandra telling Juan “I just don’t know if I should be here”
Christy: This sucks.
Part of this clip is cut on the January 5th promo
Clare speaking: When something’s personal to you, you get up and leave? And not… please don’t cut me off.
Nikki to Clare: I have nothing to say to you. You’re crazy.
Added shot in January 5th promo (altered from an earlier one):
Kat VO: I can’t even imagine how much harder this going to get./ Cassandra crying, Elise crying
(early promo puts this scene here. January 5th promo places it a bit later)
Andi to Kelly: I don’t see a ton of people ready to get married
Lucy cartwheels in the sprinkler system
Juan to Danielle: I don’t want people to be showing me something that they’re not. I just don’t like that.
(these next few lines are in the pre-show promo, but not the January 5th one)
Somebody with their hair up (Lucy?): You think I’m being loud now?!?
Juan VO: It’s hard for me… / Kelly shown
Juan speaking to Victoria in hotel before her departure: … to see things like that happen
Kelly speaking: We have a bomb to drop.
Nikki VO: All these girls [edit] with my life / Clare and Juan walking before a group
(clip shown on January 5th promo, voice heard only on the others... see below)
Clare telling Laura on hometown: Don’t just have an attitude with me and expect me to take it.
Juan in front of fireplace: This is getting very hard
Nikki VO: She thinks that is HER man / Lucy tearful
Andi sighing
Kat VO: I just can’t imagine just how hard this is going to get / Chantel crying
Clare with Alli and Laureen: Where did they just disappear to?
Andi VO: Her actions just make me think like (splice)… / Nighttime embrace in the surf (w/ Clare)
Andi VO: King Kong beating on his chest (another voice) This is insane. / three ladies observing nighttime surf
Clare VO: I am not OK… / Back to nighttime embrace in water (Clare)
Clare VO: … with being disrespected like that / skyline at full moon
(next lines edited in different spots in two promos)
Sharleen VO: It’s just difficult to… / Sharleen shown contemplating in chair
Sharleen speaking to Juan: … live like this.
Clare to Juan: I don’t know what you are thinking.
Juan back: I’m trying to be as fair as possible
Andi: I just feel a ton of different emotions right now
Juan to half asleep Sharleen: This is a hard place to be and I know it is not easy
Allison VO: You want to be, like, shake him and, like, what are you doing? / tearful Clare & backward turned Clare followed by Sharleen (January 5th promo)/also Cassandra sobbing (pre-show promo)
Kat VO: He is doing, like, nothing that has ever been done / bathroom cry
Are you OK? Renee at bathroom door.
Victoria VO: I can’t take it any more. / Chantel gasping OMG
Drunk and upset Victoria getting comforted in bathroom. That guy’s a f----
Juan opening ladies’ room: Who are you kidding me?
___ VO: What… the… / surprised Elise and two brunettes, followed by tearful Cassandra “oh”
Sharlene: It makes me sick.
Renee VO: No one has ever dwelt with this before / Clare tearful with Juan
“I want to go home!” as Juan leans on door… “Please”
Juan VO: I definitely would rather end up with nobody… / Juan still by door
Lucy crying: This is so stupid
Juan VO: … then not have my daughter be proud of her dad
Sharleen VO: Are you kidding me? / Clare sobbing
Renee VO: She has ruined this whole experience… / Sharlene with head in shoulder
Renee VO: … for everybody / Clare crying
___ VO: “Juan Pablo, I hope he dies!” / Victoria in bathroom
Juan VO: … like this coming. I just want to go away. / Juan all tearful
Juan VO: I’m not here to make a fool of myself. This is my life. / Juan contemplating & fade-out to white
Juan saying “I don’t want to do this interview any more.”