*No Spoilers* The Bachelor Episode 8 Hometown Discussions

Rolly wrote:

quietpal wrote:

murasaki1393 wrote:

Rolly wrote:I don't think Nikki is there for the right reasons...JMO.  

i see her as if just going through the motions. I find its hard to match her VOs and PIs with her emotions (or lack there of) . JMO

Hmm, that's interesting. I like that she's thinking throughout this whole process and seems to be taking this very seriously. That's just how I see it.

Isn't it great that we can all see the same thing and see it so differently. What I find kind of funny is some people that I agree with this season (Clare would be my pick) I strongly disagreed with last season (I think Brooks was clearly F1 until he took himself out). Every time someone from the Cres group says Chris was F1 from the beginning I just shake my head and am temped to comment but I don't. The key is being respectful in stating our opinions....right?!?    

yup you are right, Rolly...  . Chris was def.ly the F1 all -seasong long!!...LOL..  :lala:  (plus, he is, and he will be!...... :bigsmile: ). Let's put the 2013 war behind.    ...We still have a bloody battle ahead!......thank God i hav no fav this season..it would be sooo exhausting!.  ..LOL

Isabel123 wrote:

Hotmomma wrote:

nd4reality wrote:Do you guys think that JaunP mentioning the fact that he gave Nikki a gift (not show in the actual edit) is significant if and so why did he bother to talk about it in his blog. It made no difference to the storyline !

Nd..he has done that so many times in his blog..bring up things about Nikki that weren't shown..like giving her the sunflower..which he says are his favorite flowers..

Having said that I think he too sunflowers to Clare's HTD to give to her mom..

I am just wondering why he feels so driven to tell all the details they seem to leave out for Nikki..I don't think he has done that for another Girl..

I'm also puzzled when i read his blogs. Mentioning things he gave to Nikki. Also, there's a sunflower in a bunch he gave to Nikki's mom. What he gave to Clare's mom is a bunch of white tulips (not really sure if its tulips but it looks like one to me). These little things might or might not be significant at all.
I must admit that JPab and Clare's chemistry is undeniable, but his interactions with Nikki is also quite different and more endearing.

Totally agree! This season reminds me exactly of Andy Baldwin's season. With Nikki filling in for the role of the delightful and gorgeous Tessa and Clare for the also gorgeous but needy/clingy Bevin. I thought Andy would pick Tessa just the way he greeted her and treated her on Night 1. It took me a lot longer to figure out Juan Pablo but I think he treats Nikki in similar manner and she'll be last lady standing.

And, have to add, that last night's presentation of the HTD's almost, almost made me forget about Juan Pablo very special time with Nikki (and special treatment of Nikki) in Miami. If I was a casual viewer, I would have 100% forgot that Nikki even got a HTD after watching so much drama unfold.

-Andi's date just made me excited for her to be next Bachelorette (I can just see that scene of her shooting bullseye as part of her intro). Love her Dad, Mom and Sister. Darn tootin right Juan Pa should have asked you too mom!

-Renee's date broke my heart!! I can't believe TPTB did not let her see her son for 8 weeks(!). And then to film their reunion was just so uncomfortable for me to watch. They should have let them reunite in private. And to not even leave with the guy ... wow, waste of time. I loved that outtake at end. She is my kinda girl! So kicked back.

-Clare and her "tender" heart. Did anyone else notice her sisters' repeated references to her tender heart or to her being the baby of the family that they need to protect. Umm ... she's 32! She is gorgeous with a rockin body and their chemistry is totally off the charts. But she sure seems like a lot of work ... LOT. OF. WORK. And, did anyone else notice that JuanPa made point of mentioning about her needing special meal because she is allergic to cheese? He's always pointing out her being high maintenance in his blogs.

So ... good try Fleiss ... I almost forgot about Nikki last night but I still think she's F1.

sde1041 wrote:

mprssdbyu wrote:I found it interesting that they left a great deal more of the footage during Nikki's HTD on the cutting room floor...moreso than the other girls. I had no idea he brought her a present because her birthday was in a few days...not one smidgen of that scene...they really are holding back on the scenes of them being smitten with one another. It's almost as if it is too telling. They don't seem to like Nikki too much hence her editing.

Yes, hot scenes with Nikki are hidden.
I just posted in another thread, after watching a mini video from her FD, that the comment from JuanP : "Nikki is a good kisser, she's sexy etc..." shows that there is far more than we could see on screen.

Gut feeling she took him to her place of work and they didn't film there. This would parallel her date in Miami : family food workplace

^^ Doubt she was able to because the hospital is to public and they cannot exactly close of areas for filming. Maybe they drove by??

iamreal2u wrote:^^ Doubt she was able to because the hospital is to public and they cannot exactly close of areas for filming.  Maybe they drove by??

Agree. I was thinking they just walked in with no crew and visited one of her patients. It seems like the children are chronically ill and there was a crew there at one time because a piece aired on her local tv channel a few weeks back. I didn't bookmark it. She wasn't in it but some of the kids were shown/interviewed and said they have been watching the show. Or they may have gone to a former patients home. The reason I think this happened is because once she was somewhat excited that he asked about her work. Because some of bad work days would involve death, I think she is looking for a man to share that emotional heartbreak with. I also think she has learned to set emotions aside at times in order to function well in this type of work. I could never do her job.

He talked about a developing relationship with Nikki. Told the Dad its not about a quick engagement but trying to fiigure out where they would live etc. basically making plans but they never showed us this. Same reason he took her to meet his family as he said to let her see what his life is. The held on tight to Nikki after the date and did not want to leave. Nikki is totally his F1 and i bet she will be okay with no engagement ring at the end.

Clare just annoys me! She is such a manipulative person just as her sister said. To turn around and make her sister look bad while she became "the victim" is just terrible. What was wrong in her sister calmy saying we arent there yet to give a blessing? Andi's dad said worse and in a worse and unfriendly tone. Andi sat down and reasoned with the dad. She understood his reasons and said her piece. Clare just started shedding some fake tears like her sister beat her up. Same thing she did to JP when he calmly talked to her about oceangate.  :atomic: 

see2love wrote:He talked about a developing relationship with Nikki. Told the Dad its not about a quick engagement but trying to fiigure out where they would live etc. basically making plans but they never showed us this. Same reason he took her to meet his family as he said to let her see what his life is. The held on tight to Nikki after the date and did not want to leave. Nikki is totally his F1 and i bet she will be okay with no engagement ring at the end.

Clare just annoys me! She is such a manipulative person just as her sister said. To turn around and make her sister look bad while she became "the victim" is just terrible. What was wrong in her sister calmy saying we arent there yet to give a blessing? Andi's dad said worse and in a worse and unfriendly tone. Andi sat down and reasoned with the dad. She understood his reasons and said her piece. Clare just started shedding some fake tears like her sister beat her up. Same thing she did to JP when he calmly talked to her about oceangate.  :atomic: 

JP said something along the lines of:

"My proposal will be for the big picture with Nikki. We will have to figure something out so that we can live together and how we need to create a family."

see2love wrote:What was wrong in her sister calmy saying we arent there yet to give a blessing?

I actually interpreted that scene TOTALLY differently. I've been TeamNikki since day 1 but I thought Lara was being very disrespectful of Clara's Mom. What? Clara's Mom can't speak for herself? Does she need Lara's "protection"? Once Lara left, Clare's Mom seemed totally capable of expressing her thoughts. Had I been Clare's Mom, I would have reamed Lara for intruding. I would want a private discussion with my daughter.

That certainly was a weird scene. But it completely shed light on how Clare handles disagreements and confrontation.

Mirzam wrote:

see2love wrote:He talked about a developing relationship with Nikki. Told the Dad its not about a quick engagement but trying to fiigure out where they would live etc. basically making plans but they never showed us this. Same reason he took her to meet his family as he said to let her see what his life is. The held on tight to Nikki after the date and did not want to leave. Nikki is totally his F1 and i bet she will be okay with no engagement ring at the end.

Clare just annoys me! She is such a manipulative person just as her sister said. To turn around and make her sister look bad while she became "the victim" is just terrible. What was wrong in her sister calmy saying we arent there yet to give a blessing? Andi's dad said worse and in a worse and unfriendly tone. Andi sat down and reasoned with the dad. She understood his reasons and said her piece. Clare just started shedding some fake tears like her sister beat her up. Same thing she did to JP when he calmly talked to her about oceangate.  :atomic: 

JP said something along the lines of:

"My proposal will be for the big picture with Nikki. We will have to figure something out so that we can live together and how we need to create a family."

He also used interesting hand gestures at that point. A few short chops then a longer one which fits with his baby steps comment on their Maimi date. The whole show edit is just weird. After the big makeouts with Sharleen, constant physicality with Clare, if Nikki was the final one that's a lot of territorial peeing to wash off a new relationship ( just using her term here). If Clare is F1 the hurdle would be Nikki meeting Camilla first despite the cultural explanation. Kissing is part of the show premise so I suppose either can be reasoned away.

nd4reality wrote:That certainly was a weird scene. But it completely shed light on how Clare handles disagreements and confrontation.

  I think the whole dynamic between the sisters was very telling.  They so clearly took sides. Madeline backing Clara and Lara defending Mom. Would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall after the filming crew left.

Another red flag - how many times did we need to hear that Clara has a "tender heart"??? Tells me that Clare doesn't end relationships well.

The previews of Clare's HT made it seem like her entire family HT would be crazy...it wasn't. I really liked all of her family except the controlling in your face one. Clare asked to talk with her mother alone and at first TCS (The Controlling Sister) wouldn't leave and then when she got up she just moved to the side of the room. If I were Clare I would have been apprehensive too. Even TCS comments in the end with JP weren't as bad as I was expecting. I got the impression she may have been encouraged by TPTB to push the way she did. All of Clare's other sibs asked great questions and seemed to really love Clare. I don't care how old Clare is the older sibs will always want to protect her. Loved the scene with Clare's mom and JP. I think her speaking Spanish helped to put him at ease since he does seem to struggle with English. JMO but I guess that goes without saying.

Sorry but I still don't think Nikki is that into JP and if that's what loving him looks like I don't buy it.