Re: *No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 Screencap discussions- thread #2

[Litta123]

I'm reading everyone's posts about screencaps and speculation on what will and won't happen. What I'm curious about is how everyone knows that Andi walks away and if no caps / previews are shown of Nikki, why isn't it being speculated that she leaves? I'm hoping that she DOES stay and is in the F2 because I like the relationship that she and Juan Pablo have despite some of the cattiness she's been a part of with Clare.
Again...just curious.

I asked a similar question a while back... What made everybody absolutely certain Andi left before Nikki? After all, Nikki is edited in many of the same spots as Brooks was in last season's mid-season promo, shown crying a lot. Drew (like Andi) was presented as the one who would bolt on her, also suggesting some sort of "problem" in the fantasy suite as well. "It is something you can't control... it just happens" sounded like a replay of Jillian's Ed and his volcano failing to erupt. Remember when Mister Spoiler King insisted that Zak Waddell had a problem in the fantasy suite? Zak didn't even make it there.

TBH, I guess, in part, I've bought into the promos -- Andi's dad seems opposed. Andi's VO of not being able to wait to get out of the fantasy suite. The cap from today that looks like Andi pulls him aside at the RC. Juan's apology during another preview with Andi saying something like I'm sorry you feel that way. So put all that together with our original screen cap sleuthing that there were no Andi FD or LCD caps, it made sense that Andi goes, but you're right, we really don't know. It's what we're being led to believe verses being able to prove Andi leaves.

[Mirzam]

I'm reading everyone's posts about screencaps and speculation on what will and won't happen. What I'm curious about is how everyone knows that Andi walks away and if no caps / previews are shown of Nikki, why isn't it being speculated that she leaves? I'm hoping that she DOES stay and is in the F2 because I like the relationship that she and Juan Pablo have despite some of the cattiness she's been a part of with Clare.
Again...just curious.

I believe this is a Nikki LCD SC.
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[nd4reality]

Both very good points.

The "St Lucia tan" would apply only to Clare Nikki and Andi not Renee. Unless there is something in the sleuthing that we all missed and it in fact Renee does turn up at St Lucia. Very possible.  Has that been sleuthed for a fact ?

If Renee is not in St Lucia then the whole tan issue is a moot point. Because Renee clearly has a tan in those PIs.

Also - if those PIs were in fact post-season then they would have to be filmed within 1 day to 10 days of filming end for the tans to be that strong ?
Would the 3 rejected B'ettes look that comfy re-hashing the season so soon  (within 2 weeks or so) after being dumped (or in Andi's case walking off).

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The ONLY reason I am suspicious that Renee might "boomerang" is because the promo which Chris Harrison narrated has her shown over both the words "Monday and Tuesday"... and they generally would not be that sloppy with their edits if she is not supposed to be there on Tuesday. They also keep showing her face with all of the fantasy suite drama, regardless if she has anything to do with it.

Now... IF she does visit, it would just be for "closure"... or something else that has no impact on the outcome.

Agree - she does seem to feature in the "day 2" of the promo.  So therefore they are doing the back to back episodes !

Should be mighty interesting !

But wouldn't they be tipping their hand if they didn't show her in the 2-episode promo?  If they don't show her as a possibility for Tuesday,  they're basically saying she gets eliminated after hometowns.

True.

And to the question JBF asked... no one knows for sure that it is Andi that left at the F3 though the promo suggested that she was the one with a problem so it has been assumed.
It could well be Nikki. We "know" its not Clare because of SC evidence of her having 2 dates.

[Guest]

People, Im dying to know what you make of the Clare PI post! LOL Please tell! I want to make sure Im not going insane and that this is actually leading us somewhere.

[nd4reality]

Just have something to add/ask. The PI's of Clare with the darker hair(?) and looking a little fuller where she obviously changed into the white sweater, purple jacket, and orange/red dress had to have been after the season. And then some of you are saying that her wearing the bracelet was after the season as well. Would that (if it WERE after the season) have been right after the season ended...whereas the ones with her darker hair and looking fuller could have been a couple of weeks/months after the season ended? It's obvious that her hair is darker, she looks fuller, and obviously her makeup and hair are diffrent in the PI's of her in the white sweater/purple jacket/orange/red dress VS. The bracelet PI. Soooo?? The question is that...What do we think?

Yes others have also noted that she looks fuller in Bracelet-gate PI SC. We still don't have enough proof to say that's post season or anything conclusive.

[JBF]

I'm reading everyone's posts about screencaps and speculation on what will and won't happen. What I'm curious about is how everyone knows that Andi walks away and if no caps / previews are shown of Nikki, why isn't it being speculated that she leaves? I'm hoping that she DOES stay and is in the F2 because I like the relationship that she and Juan Pablo have despite some of the cattiness she's been a part of with Clare.
Again...just curious.

I asked a similar question a while back... What made everybody absolutely certain Andi left before Nikki? After all, Nikki is edited in many of the same spots as Brooks was in last season's mid-season promo, shown crying a lot. Drew (like Andi) was presented as the one who would bolt on her, also suggesting some sort of "problem" in the fantasy suite as well. "It is something you can't control... it just happens" sounded like a replay of Jillian's Ed and his volcano failing to erupt. Remember when Mister Spoiler King insisted that Zak Waddell had a problem in the fantasy suite? Zak didn't even make it there.

TBH, I guess, in part, I've bought into the promos -- Andi's dad seems opposed. Andi's VO of not being able to wait to get out of the fantasy suite. The cap from today that looks like Andi pulls him aside at the RC. Juan's apology during another preview with Andi saying something like I'm sorry you feel that way. So put all that together with our original screen cap sleuthing that there were no Andi FD or LCD caps, it made sense that Andi goes, but you're right, we really don't know. It's what we're being led to believe verses being able to prove Andi leaves.

There is something rather peculiar about the whole setup. "If you felt that way, I'm sorry" doesn't SOUND apologetic... and his facial expressions don't show it. Also Andi's line of "I can't hide this feeling." How can she hide a feeling? Then we have Juan's "There's nothing I can do."

Also... do we actually believe these contestants are held hostage in the fantasy suite? Why would Andi say this? "Waking up this morning, I could not wait to get out of the fantasy suite." It sounds like she could not wait to get out of GOING to the fantasy suite. Granted, we do see him kissing her in an evening setting.

Speaking of Daddy, I really like his line since it fits so many story themes: "The person that is going to be good enough for my daughter is going to come to me and say there is no one else in the world for me."
Juan = father who is over protective, just as Cassandra was with her son
Juan's #1 is Camilla = Renee's #1 is Ben
Clare's line that a man who can love his daughter that much, I think he can love me that much.
Nikki AND Andi suggesting that Clare can't "share" Juan's L-O-V-E with Camilla... which I don't exactly buy, but it is part of her storyline.

[USAGold]

I'm reading everyone's posts about screencaps and speculation on what will and won't happen. What I'm curious about is how everyone knows that Andi walks away and if no caps / previews are shown of Nikki, why isn't it being speculated that she leaves? I'm hoping that she DOES stay and is in the F2 because I like the relationship that she and Juan Pablo have despite some of the cattiness she's been a part of with Clare.
Again...just curious.

I asked a similar question a while back... What made everybody absolutely certain Andi left before Nikki? After all, Nikki is edited in many of the same spots as Brooks was in last season's mid-season promo, shown crying a lot. Drew (like Andi) was presented as the one who would bolt on her, also suggesting some sort of "problem" in the fantasy suite as well. "It is something you can't control... it just happens" sounded like a replay of Jillian's Ed and his volcano failing to erupt. Remember when Mister Spoiler King insisted that Zak Waddell had a problem in the fantasy suite? Zak didn't even make it there.

TBH, I guess, in part, I've bought into the promos -- Andi's dad seems opposed. Andi's VO of not being able to wait to get out of the fantasy suite. The cap from today that looks like Andi pulls him aside at the RC. Juan's apology during another preview with Andi saying something like I'm sorry you feel that way. So put all that together with our original screen cap sleuthing that there were no Andi FD or LCD caps, it made sense that Andi goes, but you're right, we really don't know. It's what we're being led to believe verses being able to prove Andi leaves.

There is something rather peculiar about the whole setup. "If you felt that way, I'm sorry" doesn't SOUND apologetic... and his facial expressions don't show it. Also Andi's line of "I can't hide this feeling." How can she hide a feeling? Then we have Juan's "There's nothing I can do."

Also... do we actually believe these contestants are held hostage in the fantasy suite? Why would Andi say this? "Waking up this morning, I could not wait to get out of the fantasy suite." It sounds like she could not wait to get out of GOING to the fantasy suite. Granted, we do see him kissing her in an evening setting.

Speaking of Daddy, I really like his line since it fits so many story themes: "The person that is going to be good enough for my daughter is going to come to me and say there is no one else in the world for me."
Juan = father who is over protective, just as Cassandra was with her son
Juan's #1 is Camilla = Renee's #1 is Ben
Clare's line that a man who can love his daughter that much, I think he can love me that much.
Nikki AND Andi suggesting that Clare can't "share" Juan's L-O-V-E with Camilla... which I don't exactly buy, but it is part of her storyline.

I don't buy it either! One would think being the youngest in a large family that she had plenty of nieces & nephews & been around small children & loves them & would be great with them!!

[JBF]

I think it is obvious that BOTH Clare and Nikki are great with kids. Even though Nikki is dubbed "negative", she is not coping well with those her own age... not babies who don't talk back. Both are critical of each other, but neither see how the other is when outside The Pressure Cooker known as El Bachelor The Show. I mean... Nikki didn't poison Camilla during her short visit.

[Guest]

No, she doesn't look fuller in the bracelet SC...she looks fuller in the SC's in which she is wearing the white sweater/purple jacket/and orange/red dress. Those three outfit changes were obviously all in the same day because her hair and makeup look exactly the same. What Im trying to get at is: if the bracelet SC WAS at the end of the season, it must have been right after (unless it was truly DURING the season) because the SC's in which she looks fuller had to have been weeks after the season ended because she DOES look fuller (unless those SC's were right after the season ended). Basically the question is: was the bracelet SC during or right after the season and were the fuller SC's weeks after the season or right after? That will probably tell us what we need to know imo.

[julychild]

I think it is obvious that BOTH Clare and Nikki are great with kids. Even though Nikki is dubbed "negative", she is not coping well with those her own age... not babies who don't talk back. Both are critical of each other, but neither see how the other is when outdside The Pressure Cooker known as El Bachelor The Show.

Chris H said that JP sees Clare's "maternal instincts" amongst other things.

Aside from the pics, has anyone heard anything about Andi actually being at the tapping of the WTA?

[Isabel123]

Long time lurker. Just watched an episode 2 extended preview. Here's the link -----https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lz4jtQUDEQ. At 2:58 Juan Pablo is shown kissing a blonde in a yacht. The face is hidden but i'm assuming this is Nikki as she's as tall as Juan Pablo. I haven't
seen this scene in the previous episodes. This must either be in FD or LCD. But since they went horse back riding in their FD, most likely this is an LCD. I don't know how to screencap so i just attached the URL.

[albean99]

The only time it's easy to tell that PI's are done post season is when there's something really obvious like Graham becoming clean shaven after he left. I believe they're usually done while editing when they realize they're missing something. I doubt they'd need all of the f4 to do them.

I don't see anything obvious when looking at the PI's in question. Renee seemed tanned after Miami, maybe the PI's were filmed before leaving for her HTD?  There's definitely down time for each girl while not filming their hometown dates so any of them could have been there.

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