Episode 7 -- Miami -- airs Feb 17

I haven't been on here to post in a few seasons….I miss the days when we would discuss all options. But since I wanted to sneak a peek at things this season it really does make me miss those days.

I just went back and watched all the episodes for fun. (Nothing to do today finally)….. I think it is interesting that since the spoilers are out there, there are a few that just can't see pass it. I don't have a cat in the fight…but I just had to comment….. after watching all episodes where did Clare talk about another person behind their back? What makes Clare "Crazy" just because she is "crazy in love"? Clare was the person who spoke directly to that person (Nikki) and questioned her about being different in front of girls and different in front of JP…. I didn't see one episode that had Clare talking behind anyone's back or negative about Nikki…… all you have is girls talking about Clare and her 1:1 on a group date and Chelsie said it best "it is hard to see him show attention to one girl in front of us"…..the show never showed Clare say anything to anyone about her connection to JP….it is all the girls talking about their connection…it looks like "jealousy" to the 10th degree. As my daughter said to me "I really didn't like Clare but man I do think she has a connection with JP no one has". Then she said "Mom, I know Nikki thinks she has this great connection but she has no personality or story with him." After watching the tvguide clip Nikki says "Clare is checked out"…..and Clare corrected her that she wasn't checked out but not fake, nothing said behind anyone's back but to the face of the person she feels is fake. So I ask where do we get the idea that Clare comes back from their group date and Clare comes back upset and bad mouthing Andi? Please help me see what you all think happened?

Clare probably gets upset that Andi got the group rose & extra time with JPab & she thinks she should have gotten it, and probably also because Nikki got another 1:1 date with him. Nikki probably just had it with Clare's actions in trying to claim JPAB as her own so she let it all out. Good for her!

4health wrote:I haven't been on here to post in a few seasons….I miss the days when we would discuss all options.  But since I wanted to sneak a peek at things this season it really does make me miss those days.  

I just went back and watched all the episodes for fun. (Nothing to do today finally)…..  I think it is interesting that since the spoilers are out there, there are a few that just can't see pass it.   I don't have a cat in the fight…but I just had to comment…..  after watching all episodes where did Clare talk about another person  behind their back?  What makes Clare "Crazy" just because she is "crazy in love"?  Clare was the person who spoke directly to that person (Nikki) and questioned her about being different in front of girls and different in front of JP….  I didn't see one episode that had Clare talking behind anyone's back or negative about Nikki……  all you have is girls talking about Clare and her 1:1 on a group date and Chelsie said it best "it is hard to see him show attention to one girl in front of us"…..the show never showed Clare say anything to anyone about her connection to JP….it is all the girls talking about their connection…it looks like "jealousy" to the 10th degree.    As my daughter said to me "I really didn't like Clare but man I do think she has a connection with JP no one has".  Then she said "Mom, I know Nikki thinks she has this great connection but she has no personality or story with him."  After watching the tvguide clip Nikki says "Clare is checked out"…..and Clare corrected her that she wasn't checked out but not fake, nothing said behind anyone's back but to the face of the person she feels is fake.   So I ask where do we get the idea that Clare comes back from their group date and Clare comes back upset and bad mouthing Andi?  Please help me see what you all think happened?  

Excuse me, 4health, how dare you come here and make sense!! You need to stop, just stop! I mean, like, I can't even...   

Clare has talked about Nikki negatively in most of her PIs

Jeepers….Clare didn't say anything in a PI that she hasn't said to Nikki to her face. It is talking behind your back etc that make Nikki look bad. Nikki's personality was highlighted….even Nikki said in a PI that the tension in the house was probably because of her…..there is some great discussion and analysis going on in the non spoilers forum….it is an interesting read. I still would like someone to post where they get the idea that Clare comes back from the group date and bashes Andi…(tvguide video) shows otherwise

Jeepers wrote:Clare has talked about Nikki negatively in most of her PIs

So true, Jeepers. They have each talked about the other several times. Clare doesn't always have to speak the words to be rude or negative. She called out Nikki for interrupting her alone time with Juan Pablo, but apparently thinks it's fine to sneak behind all the other girls back for a late night swim with JPab, and then to laugh about it by saying "nobody knows I left the other night."

As far as the crazy label, I don't know if she is crazy, but she is manipulative, and self centered.

julychild wrote:

4health wrote:I haven't been on here to post in a few seasons….I miss the days when we would discuss all options.  But since I wanted to sneak a peek at things this season it really does make me miss those days.  

I just went back and watched all the episodes for fun. (Nothing to do today finally)…..  I think it is interesting that since the spoilers are out there, there are a few that just can't see pass it.   I don't have a cat in the fight…but I just had to comment…..  after watching all episodes where did Clare talk about another person  behind their back?  What makes Clare "Crazy" just because she is "crazy in love"?  Clare was the person who spoke directly to that person (Nikki) and questioned her about being different in front of girls and different in front of JP….  I didn't see one episode that had Clare talking behind anyone's back or negative about Nikki……  all you have is girls talking about Clare and her 1:1 on a group date and Chelsie said it best "it is hard to see him show attention to one girl in front of us"…..the show never showed Clare say anything to anyone about her connection to JP….it is all the girls talking about their connection…it looks like "jealousy" to the 10th degree.    As my daughter said to me "I really didn't like Clare but man I do think she has a connection with JP no one has".  Then she said "Mom, I know Nikki thinks she has this great connection but she has no personality or story with him."  After watching the tvguide clip Nikki says "Clare is checked out"…..and Clare corrected her that she wasn't checked out but not fake, nothing said behind anyone's back but to the face of the person she feels is fake.   So I ask where do we get the idea that Clare comes back from their group date and Clare comes back upset and bad mouthing Andi?  Please help me see what you all think happened?  

Excuse me, 4health, how dare you come here and make sense!! You need to stop, just stop! I mean, like, I can't even...   

Funny julychild

rosesrREd wrote:

Jeepers wrote:Clare has talked about Nikki negatively in most of her PIs

So true, Jeepers.   They have each talked about the other several times.  Clare doesn't always have to speak the words to be rude or negative.  She called out Nikki for interrupting her alone time with Juan Pablo, but apparently thinks it's fine to sneak behind all the other girls back for a late night swim with JPab, and then to laugh about it by saying "nobody knows I left the other night."

As far as the crazy label, I don't know if she is crazy, but she is manipulative, and self centered.

That is the beauty of life….you have your own opinion. Clare called out Nikki because she had a rose and the other girls agreed to let the women that don't have a rose get the time. You had Cassandra, Danille and Elise watch Nikki do the opposite and that Nikki was being disrespectful. You hear a VO of Nikki while she is walking over to interrupt JP and Clare's time say that "just because you have a rose doesn't take you out from talking with him and that you do have be a little selfish" Nikki didn't care - disrespectful - (which takes us to Clare stating Nikki being disrespectful again this coming episode)….so I ask it is okay for Nikki to go for it and be selfish/disrespectful but not Clare….

4health wrote:Jeepers….Clare didn't say anything in a PI that she hasn't said to Nikki to her face.  It is talking behind your back etc that make Nikki look bad.  Nikki's personality was highlighted….even Nikki said in a PI that the tension in the house was probably because of her…..there is some great discussion and analysis going on in the non spoilers forum….it is an interesting read.  I still would like someone to post where they get the idea that Clare comes back from the group date and bashes Andi…(tvguide video) shows otherwise

The TV guide video is spliced and diced. We don't really know what the conversation was prior to the video starting, or what lead up to Nikki going upstairs. Nor, do we know where the conversation went after Clare confronted Nikki. Right now, it does seem the argument started after the group date, in which I am sure Clare wasn't happy with not being chosen for one on one time. I am sure the others girls weren't happy either, but Clare said "she isn't going to be fake." Which more or less indicated the other 2 girls were being fake. I will almost bet it stemmed from her not being selected for the special time with JP. Whether or not it included Andi bashing, is just all speculation at this point.

rosesrREd wrote:

4health wrote:Jeepers….Clare didn't say anything in a PI that she hasn't said to Nikki to her face.  It is talking behind your back etc that make Nikki look bad.  Nikki's personality was highlighted….even Nikki said in a PI that the tension in the house was probably because of her…..there is some great discussion and analysis going on in the non spoilers forum….it is an interesting read.  I still would like someone to post where they get the idea that Clare comes back from the group date and bashes Andi…(tvguide video) shows otherwise

The TV guide video is spliced and diced.  We don't really know what the conversation was prior to the video starting, or what lead up to Nikki going upstairs.  Nor, do we know where the conversation went after Clare confronted Nikki.  Right now, it does seem the argument started after the group date, in which I am sure Clare wasn't happy with not being chosen for one on one time.  I am sure the others girls weren't happy either, but Clare said "she isn't going to be fake."  Which more or less indicated the other 2 girls were being fake.  I will almost bet it stemmed from her not being selected for the special time with JP.  Whether or not it included Andi bashing, is just all speculation at this point.

Isn 't that true to everything about this show…..this is highly edited so I have always tried to figure out what the edit is trying to tells us….in the past when I participated in sleuthing etc. we always looked for a arch or a story….what do you think is Nikki's story…..Andi's is time not getting it, Renee is being aways from her son, Clare is finding a person like her dad (heart melting) what is Nikki's? Charleen Well we know that one? is JP right for me/this process….Nikki's ?? Hi am I nurse for children….where is her story with JP? I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. Again go to the non spoilers thread and check it out….some great thoughts are forming there.

Disrespectful....... Clare has that all over the other gals .. And didn't give a cats patuty .. On more than one occasion .. Wonder how they all felt when they finally did find out .. Respect goes both ways .. And it appears that Nikki takes herself out of the conversation coming up by going up stairs .. And there trots Clare after her seemingly claiming disrespect and she will not have that .. and is then seems to do the confronting .. Clare .. IMHO is by far more the biotch in many respects. . She talks with forked tongue and out of the side of her mouth as well

4health wrote:

rosesrREd wrote:

Jeepers wrote:Clare has talked about Nikki negatively in most of her PIs

So true, Jeepers.   They have each talked about the other several times.  Clare doesn't always have to speak the words to be rude or negative.  She called out Nikki for interrupting her alone time with Juan Pablo, but apparently thinks it's fine to sneak behind all the other girls back for a late night swim with JPab, and then to laugh about it by saying "nobody knows I left the other night."

As far as the crazy label, I don't know if she is crazy, but she is manipulative, and self centered.

That is the beauty of life….you have your own opinion.  Clare called out Nikki because she had a rose and the other girls agreed to let the women that don't have a rose get the time.  You had Cassandra, Danille and Elise watch Nikki do the opposite and that Nikki was being disrespectful.  You hear a VO of Nikki while she is walking over to interrupt JP and Clare's time say that "just because you have a rose doesn't take you out from talking with him and that you do have be a little selfish"  Nikki didn't care - disrespectful - (which takes us to Clare stating Nikki being disrespectful again this coming episode)….so I ask it is okay for Nikki to go for it and be selfish/disrespectful but not Clare….

Disrespect is just that, regardless of who did it. Clare doesn't like to be disrespected, but thinks it's fine to disrespect the other girls, and have a late night swim with JP. As I said in another post, we are getting a spliced and diced preview on TV Guide. It doesn't show us much of anything about why they are arguing.