*No Spoilers* The Bachelor 18 Edit Discussions

OK... let's look at this silly thing...

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"For my second date I needed to bring somebody who I felt a strong connection with and who would appreciate my surprise of meeting Camila. The reason I decided to take Nikki was because she has been making me feel more and more comfortable since Vietnam. (OK... this is favorable for Nikki. He is "comfortable" with her.)

We met each other down at the beach and spent an hour talking alongside the boardwalk. It was so hot that I'm glad you didn't see us sweating our butts off. After we talked, I took Nikki to cool off at a flower shop where we got to spend some quality time and pick flowers for Camila. I gave Nikki a sunflower, the flower I like to give the most (another thing you didn't see!). (The sunflower moment is a sign of affection even if he "gives it the most", but otherwise he is just talking about The Date.)

The reaction when I told her we were going to the recital was priceless. She was excited and a little bit nervous. Mi bebe dancing and singing killed me. My favorite part was when she pointed at me. I'm going to post the video that I recorded soon so you see her face. (Just as Litta noted on the other thread how Nikki instantly hugs her family and "leaves Juan in the dust", Juan here completely forgets all about Nikki as he discusses "mi bebe". Will the video have any clips of Nikki in it?)

Nikki got to meet Camila for a few minutes as well as my dad, mom, aunt and Carla. (We heard plenty about her in Nikki's sitdown.) After the recital, I took her to eat Venezuelan food, which I always do after a dance recital. We said goodbye to the family and just the two of us went to eat. She loved tequeños (my favorite bite) and the arepa with carne mechada (shredded beef).

During the ride from the flower store to the recital, she told me she used to play softball when she was younger. She also told me that she liked a Venezuelan hat that I gave to one of the producers during my time on The Bachelorette. To me, all of that was such a coincidence because I was going to take her to Marlins Park and I had a hat for her. (Nice comments here about "coincidences", so maybe there's something here.)

Marlins Park is what I call my office in Miami, because I work for the Venezuelan Museum of Baseball and Hall of Fame. My job is to go to all the MLB stadiums and to talk to and collect articles from all the Venezuelan players in the big leagues and those Americans that played in Venezuela. (Nikki, where are you in this paragraph?)

We had the stadium to ourselves and it was so quiet and relaxing. We had an absolute blast. (Maybe they did what he and Clare often do... LOL!) While in New Zealand I pulled a muscle in my leg while I was working out and forgot about it when I was at the stadium because I was so excited to be there. (Excited about the stadium.) While we were there I decided to steal second base. I ran to the base and kind of felt the pain again. We had two gloves, a few balls and a bat – and, well, guess what, I have always wanted to hit a ball on a MLB baseball field. That night I was going to get that off my bucket list. Nikki pitched and I swung the bat pretty hard. I don't remember how far the ball went, because my leg killed me. This time the muscle was really pulled. The nurse tried taking care of me but I needed to go get an ultrasound for sure. We relaxed after that and ended a great date with Nikki the nurse."

Further down in the blog...

"Hometowns are coming next week. I can't wait to go and visit Sacramento, Sarasota, Kansas City and Atlanta."

Well, buddy, you can't visit them in the order of YOUR PREFERENCE. Production will make you wait and if those TV Grapevine photos are any indication, you must have been climbing the walls every night.

JBF wrote:OK... let's look at this silly thing...

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"For my second date I needed to bring somebody who I felt a strong connection with and who would appreciate my surprise of meeting Camila. The reason I decided to take Nikki was because she has been making me feel more and more comfortable since Vietnam. (OK... this is favorable for Nikki. He is "comfortable" with her.)

We met each other down at the beach and spent an hour talking alongside the boardwalk. It was so hot that I'm glad you didn't see us sweating our butts off. After we talked, I took Nikki to cool off at a flower shop where we got to spend some quality time and pick flowers for Camila. I gave Nikki a sunflower, the flower I like to give the most (another thing you didn't see!). (The sunflower moment is a sign of affection even if he "gives it the most", but otherwise he is just talking about The Date.)

The reaction when I told her we were going to the recital was priceless. She was excited and a little bit nervous. Mi bebe dancing and singing killed me. My favorite part was when she pointed at me. I'm going to post the video that I recorded soon so you see her face. (Just as Litta noted on the other thread how Nikki instantly hugs her family and "leaves Juan in the dust", Juan here completely forgets all about Nikki as he discusses "mi bebe". Will the video have any clips of Nikki in it?)

Nikki got to meet Camila for a few minutes as well as my dad, mom, aunt and Carla. (We heard plenty about her in Nikki's sitdown.) After the recital, I took her to eat Venezuelan food, which I always do after a dance recital. We said goodbye to the family and just the two of us went to eat. She loved tequeños (my favorite bite) and the arepa with carne mechada (shredded beef).

During the ride from the flower store to the recital, she told me she used to play softball when she was younger. She also told me that she liked a Venezuelan hat that I gave to one of the producers during my time on The Bachelorette. To me, all of that was such a coincidence because I was going to take her to Marlins Park and I had a hat for her. (Nice comments here about "coincidences", so maybe there's something here.)

Marlins Park is what I call my office in Miami, because I work for the Venezuelan Museum of Baseball and Hall of Fame. My job is to go to all the MLB stadiums and to talk to and collect articles from all the Venezuelan players in the big leagues and those Americans that played in Venezuela. (Nikki, where are you in this paragraph?)

We had the stadium to ourselves and it was so quiet and relaxing. We had an absolute blast. (Maybe they did what he and Clare often do... LOL!) While in New Zealand I pulled a muscle in my leg while I was working out and forgot about it when I was at the stadium because I was so excited to be there. (Excited about the stadium.) While we were there I decided to steal second base. I ran to the base and kind of felt the pain again. We had two gloves, a few balls and a bat – and, well, guess what, I have always wanted to hit a ball on a MLB baseball field. That night I was going to get that off my bucket list. Nikki pitched and I swung the bat pretty hard. I don't remember how far the ball went, because my leg killed me. This time the muscle was really pulled. The nurse tried taking care of me but I needed to go get an ultrasound for sure. We relaxed after that and ended a great date with Nikki the nurse."

Further down in the blog...

"Hometowns are coming next week. I can't wait to go and visit Sacramento, Sarasota, Kansas City and Atlanta."

Well, buddy, you can't visit them in the order of YOUR PREFERENCE. Production will make you wait and if those TV Grapevine photos are any indication, you must have been climbing the walls every night.

what bothers my mind is he takes time to tweet about this and put a selfie of him and Nikki on this edition..he didnt put such pic with any other girls.
TY for d Lesson #247 anyway....   

More puzzle pieces that may or may not mean anything.

Not much here to go on.



All pretty nebulous and nothing you can pinpoint as revealing. Fantasy suites turn into nightmares over a bed shot edited smack between tearful Andi and Nikki, suggesting something ominous and unpredictable with both in that episode. Perhaps Juan turns them down? No... I take that back, Andi says she can't wait to get out of it.

Chris Harrison's "something obviously happened" is spoken over mommy Renee followed by Clare (getting "happened"). He may not actually say that at the post-hometown ceremony... and it certainly wouldn't relate to Clare in that moment. Also Juan may just be crying about dumping Renee, whom I always suspected to be his emotionally invested F2 if not the chronological one. He is dressed in black, matching the outfit with Renee. (BTW, I still wonder if she boomerangs back for a visit.)




"What happens in the fantasy suite" is nothing... at least with Juan. He is, after all, shown alone. Andi doesn't "stay in the fantasy suite". The bedding is light green. If Clare's scene in the above video is a fantasy suite, her bedding is beige.

Backtracking to the post from yesterday a page back...

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When Clare says the following lines, the camera stays focused on...
1.) first Clare, then Juan with "the man that I do marry".
2.) Juan: "and the man that I am with forever knows how he feels about me..."
3.) Clare: "and knows what a responsibility it is to marry his daughter and be with his daughter"
4.) Clare: "That video is to be watched"
5.) Juan: "by the man of my dreams before I get married"
6.) Juan (voice-over scene): "He put it in the bank vault"
7.) Clare: "and nobody has ever seen it"
8.) Hands together: "and I've been waiting to watch this DVD"
9.) Clare (speaking): "I wish you met my dad, like..."
10.) Juan: "he's an amazing guy"

Backtracking to episode #1:



Lacy, dumped in that first rose ceremony says right before Clare's intro "I am going to go all the way until I have a ring on my finger... Juan Pablo". Next shot is "Welcome to Sacramento" with the capitol building, followed by Clare walking in front of it. This building has become familiar news-wise since many marriage licenses are issued here, including the same-sex ones gaining media attention. It is shown a second time as she says "A man who can love his daughter that much, I think he can love me that much."

Sooo... did Mike Fleiss finally get what he dreamed about getting?

Even though it is MF's dream to have the couple be married at the FRC or ATFR, I could NEVER see this taking place. JPab has a daughter to factor into the equation. That would be silly to get married after knowing someone for a few weeks. Juan Pablo would need to have his head examined.   

Mommyof1 wrote:Even though it is MF's dream to have the couple be married at the FRC or ATFR, I could NEVER see this taking place.  JPab has a daughter to factor into the equation.  That would be silly to get married after knowing someone for a few weeks.  Juan Pablo would need to have his head examined.   

i think MF's dream for this season is quite simple : a season that hotter than the last 3-some low-tone seasons : Em, Sean, Des. He could care less about the F1 and the lead's well being and image. ..LOL......JBF, you know that you can CMIIW   

I think Clare's camp will like this.

From HTD:

JuanP said " Things are going well with Clare and at this point her mom's approval would mean a lot."

Lol He went into telling us everything that we didn't get to see and forgot about to discuss what we did see...which is what the lead usually do. That Juan Pablo.

Mommyof1 wrote:Even though it is MF's dream to have the couple be married at the FRC or ATFR, I could NEVER see this taking place.  JPab has a daughter to factor into the equation.  That would be silly to get married after knowing someone for a few weeks.  Juan Pablo would need to have his head examined.   

Any lead that even considers getting married on or after the FRC should have their head examined. You were just dating multiple people days prior ! What are you thinking ?

In fact the whole getting engaged at the FRC is ridiculous IMO for the same reason. This show takes being engaged even more lightly than a large percentage of americans do. I much prefer the leads that did the whole ring-on-a-string thingie than those that popped the question and were history by the time the season ended up airing (which the ring-on-the-string couple were also !). Or those leads that chose someone and make a show of being happy and together just to prove a point (the 2 famous b'ettes that come to mind).

Its sad that so many leads (almost all of them) cave to TPTB and get engaged just for show.

murasaki1393 wrote:i believe your expertise in editing,JBF... but the People Blog has got me..confused..LOL

so this is my no.2. attempt to be as fair as possible   :

in the preview, Clare blatantly shown confessing ILY....has there been any of the past F1 done this before?

on Des season, i can recall only Zak and Drew did. (preview week 8 and sneak peek finale)

TIA and everybody is welcome to weigh in

Clare said she was loving falling in love with him ... Not that she loved him .. There is a difference

In a vO .. Didn't we hear that Nikki was in love with him .. We have in preview clips Nikki telling him she was falling for him also

nd4reality wrote:

Mommyof1 wrote:Even though it is MF's dream to have the couple be married at the FRC or ATFR, I could NEVER see this taking place.  JPab has a daughter to factor into the equation.  That would be silly to get married after knowing someone for a few weeks.  Juan Pablo would need to have his head examined.   

Any lead that even considers getting married on or after the FRC should have their head examined. You were just dating multiple people days prior ! What are you thinking ?

In fact the whole getting engaged at the FRC is ridiculous IMO for the same reason. This show takes being engaged even more lightly than a large percentage of americans do. I much prefer the leads that did the whole ring-on-a-string thingie than those that popped the question and were history by the time the season ended up airing (which the ring-on-the-string couple were also !). Or those leads that chose someone and make a show of being happy and together just to prove a point (the 2 famous b'ettes that come to mind).

Its sad that so many leads (almost all of them) cave to TPTB and get engaged just for show.

I am just tossing out puzzle pieces here. Out of curiosity, do you have any speculations? Any peculiar patterns you are seeing? I know you are/were mostly on the Pick Nobody Committee... and Juan sure insinuates that in his promos: "I definitely would rather end up with nobody then not have my daughter be proud of her dad" (which to me is like Ashley sobbing she wanted her happy ending with Bentley at the end of hers). Of course, he didn't see "like this coming" either... whatever that is.

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Also... tossing this video here since we see Nikki saying she's falling for him. This is the only start-of-the-show montage that RECAPPED a previous episode. All others just previewed the "coming up next". Part of the reason was due to the Clare/Juan story arc of her needing "answers" in New Zealand, yet they showed us much more than just that.

At 1:15 does Nikki have the same outfit on that we see for her HTD very short clip??

Have we seen that pinkish/lavender dress shirt and ??black or dark blue and white tie on JP

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