The Bachelor 18 - Screencaps Discussion - *Spoilers*

Amusing that both of the final 2 would "take a dive" boat.
I want to go with you on a treasure hunt Mr. Write.

^^ VERY INTERESTING! So RS WAS WRONG about the FRC LOCATION and he missed it by good 35 miles(which is a lot when we consider that there are only 45 miles in between St. Lucia's northernmost and southernmost point) ... He said it was on the Cap Maison Hotel ground..

I like treasure hunts!!!

I didn't realize RS has said the FRC was at Cap Maison. I can't see how that is right. With respect to the F1, however, I think he is correct. The wall behind the podium at the FRC faces south. The women approach from the west. With that in mind, I spent a long time yesterday looking at the sun's azimuth during the day of the FRC, the corresponding shadows, the tides, the raking on the beach and date stamps on the abcmedianet photographs. All point to Clare arriving first and Nikki second (in my view)

Mr Write wrote:I like treasure hunts!!!

I didn't realize RS has said the FRC was at Cap Maison.  I can't see how that is right.  With respect to the F1, however, I think he is correct.  The wall behind the podium at the FRC faces south.  The women approach from the west. With that in mind, I spent a long time yesterday looking at the sun's azimuth during the day of the FRC, the corresponding shadows, the tides, the raking on the beach and date stamps on the abcmedianet photographs.  All point to Clare arriving first and Nikki second (in my view)

Thanks Mr Write.   

Mr Write wrote:I like treasure hunts!!!

I didn't realize RS has said the FRC was at Cap Maison.  I can't see how that is right.  With respect to the F1, however, I think he is correct.  The wall behind the podium at the FRC faces south.  The women approach from the west. With that in mind, I spent a long time yesterday looking at the sun's azimuth during the day of the FRC, the corresponding shadows, the tides, the raking on the beach and date stamps on the abcmedianet photographs.  All point to Clare arriving first and Nikki second (in my view)

ITA….did you see the SC in question of timestamp with Clare and Chris and Clare has her shoes in hand that the timestamp is only 30+ before Nikki arrives. SO that would be her walk of shame LOL….A boat would have to pick up Clare and then a boat bring Nikki…so Clare walking with Chris at 10:50 arrival and again at 11:40ish Clare walking to the boat, so say she arrived at the boat at just before noon Nikki is on the boat at 12:13 and walking on the beach at 12:14 …Clare and Nikki's boats would be passing by each other.

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Mr Write wrote:I like treasure hunts!!!

.....Clare and Nikki's boats would be passing by each other.  

Oh dear where are the paparazzi when you really need them anyway!

Is this a clue?
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If Nikki saw Clare leaving, she would have known Clare was rejected. Why would Nikki have such a grumpy face as she is being escorted to the FRC? She would have been ecstatic, IMO. Doesn't make sense to me.

notarose wrote:Is this a clue?
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I am not sure its a clue who is F1, but maybe JP and the lady of his choice leave by boat together after the FRC. Actually, according to Mr Write they must, because that is the only #sane way of leaving the FRC spot!

theyearofelan I want to be on that boat with you

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richmondrose wrote:If Nikki saw Clare leaving, she would have known Clare was rejected. Why would Nikki have such a grumpy face as she is being escorted to the FRC? She would have been ecstatic, IMO.  Doesn't make sense to me.

I agree, so I think the producers had to somehow get Clare out without Nikki seeing her. Maybe they motored her around the bay, out of eyeshot of Nikki of course, you know like they drive them around in the limo.

I don't know where to post my comments so since I will be discussing scenes I am posting it here.

I asked a few days ago what has been the top things that confirm F1 to the sleuthers. Someone mentioned the bloopers. So before Monday's bloopers I went back and watched all the bloopers of seasons past that were available on youtube. So I was waiting to watch JP bloopers and wanted to see if the pattern held true. (Yes they could change it) But here is what I came up with and anyone can tell me if they see it differently. (They always show the F1 actually talking about lead or with lead)

Des & Chris - Chris PI in baseball and him screaming (the most time shown) nothing of Brooks
Sean & Catherine - 1:1 date with the smoke from fire
Emily & Jef - Jef talking about falling and him on the boat race ride (Arie was watching Jef)
Jason & Molly (note when WTA was filmed they already knew he was all about Molly) in bubble bath together (Melissa alone about a bug)
Ali & Roberto - Repelling date about his package in the harness (Chris alone with the mouse)
Brad & Emily - Elephant date with the elephants having too much fun (Chantel alone scaring someone with a bug)

So watching the bloopers on JP - Jp and Clare on the LCD ((hadn't even been shown yet) "It's Okay" Nikki alone dancing.

Thought is was very interesting, I never thought about the bloopers…can't wait to see what happens and see if it is a sure indicator or not.

4health wrote:

Mr Write wrote:I like treasure hunts!!!

I didn't realize RS has said the FRC was at Cap Maison.  I can't see how that is right.  With respect to the F1, however, I think he is correct.  The wall behind the podium at the FRC faces south.  The women approach from the west. With that in mind, I spent a long time yesterday looking at the sun's azimuth during the day of the FRC, the corresponding shadows, the tides, the raking on the beach and date stamps on the abcmedianet photographs.  All point to Clare arriving first and Nikki second (in my view)

ITA….did you see the SC in question of timestamp with Clare and Chris and Clare has her shoes in hand that the timestamp is only 30+ before Nikki arrives.  SO that would be her walk of shame LOL….A boat would have to pick up Clare and then a boat bring Nikki…so Clare walking with Chris at 10:50 arrival and again at 11:40ish  Clare walking to the boat, so say she arrived at the boat at just before noon Nikki is on the boat at 12:13 and walking on the beach at 12:14 …Clare and Nikki's boats would be passing by each other.  

Yes, I looked at that picture and the others, and came to the same conclusion.  The constraining feature for TPTB was the available sunlight.  There is a hillside to the south which, along with the forest canopy, blocks good light for much of the day.

I sent the following out in a PM yesterday, which summarizes part of the logic.

"The wall behind the podium faces south and the only way to approach that area is up from the west (ie. from the beach).  Because of the forest canopy and a hillside to the south, the best time to get good light for filming is in the middle of the day.  Last November 12, the azimuth of the sunrise at St. Lucia was 108 degrees, and the sunset was 252 degress (ie. a little south of east and a little south of west).  In other words, anyone walking from the beach to site of the FRC would have the sun facing her in the late morning and over her right shoulder later in the day.  Nikki and Clare are shown in scs walking to the FRC in almost exactly the same location.  There is an identical vine/branch behind each of them that shows this to be the case.  As Clare walks toward the podium, the sun has gone behind a cloud but you can still see its rays shining on her right forearm.  When Nikki walks toward the podium the sun is behind her right shoulder.  In other words, Clare approaches the podium earlier than Nikki.  This is supported by the shadows cast by the davits on the boat as each of the F2 arrives, and by the time stamps on the abcmedianet photos.    In addition, Clare goes onto her balcony at the Landings earlier than Nikki.  The overwhelming evidence, therefore, is that Clare arrives first and Nikki arrives second. "