Re: Andi Dorfman- Bachelor 18 Contestant- Spoilers/Discussion

by stuckinsc Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:50 pm

I like Andi. I look forward to her at the bachelorette. BUT, I thought she should have told him as soon as she wasn't happy. Why wait to tell him later? Also not a fan of her saying in the WTA preview that she was cringing and waiting to get out of there (FS). If she was uncomfortable she should have left.

Don't like that part. I do think Andi is a bit young and we learn as we get older to see both sides of an argument. To me, neither one of them really saw what the other was saying.

I also think in a fairly drama free season, TPTB build this up to finally have some conflict. We know they love conflict and this season has been fairly conflict free.

This actually reminds me of the making a major deal out of a stupid one liner that James said on Des's season. Not a ton of drama there either, so they had to ramp up the little they had. TPTB loves the Tierras of this world and the last two seasons have been lacking in that kind of drama.

by Sable Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:53 pm

Sprite wrote:
pbmax wrote:You know so often women has said I wish he would just be honest and tell the truth, now we have one complaining about one being honest. I guess it would be better to be dishonest and tell a lie to make her feel better.

I laughed when I first read this. It reminded me of Jpab saying he would rather be honestly disrespected than dishonestly respected...or some such thing. Nevertheless, I actually understood and agreed with what I think he meant, rather than what he said. I also agree with you, even though I think she wouldn't have been satisfied either way. She was pumped and primed by the producers for that audition. Didn't matter what he said.

I hope she remembers what happened because she should take heed. TPTB build up JPab out of nothing and then ripped him to shreds. They will not hesitate to do the same to her...and MF is usually much worse on the Bettes. Can't say I won't enjoy seeing her eat her words...

Bolding by me...

I so agree with this! I think TPTB do this every season. They build up the lead before the season begins and then they usually rip to to shreds with their edit by the end. It's just the way this show works. There will be those that love Andi as the lead now, but by the end of her season (due to the way they edit her) they will not like her any longer because of the way she treated one of the bachelors. That is why I try to not take the edit too seriously and just try to enjoy the show as it is airing. I always hope that ultimately everyone that was involved is happy with the way the season turned out - whether the were F1 or F2 or they are the one that goes on to become the next bachelor or bachelorette.

by Sable Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:00 pm

relaxing wrote:I think maybe JP has several ladies that aren't suited to him. He seems to like to hang out, take it easy, go out dancing, watch sports and spend quality time with his daughter. A simple, relaxed life. I think it's fine, but maybe not the type of person suited to many. Andi realized they are different and not a match. So leave but why be mad at him and act like he's a jerk? I think it's much worse to be stringing women along implying you may be falling in love with them and getting their hopes up when you know they're not the one and saying all the right things to them for show. To me that's the required "normal" bachelor behaviour and much more worthy of anger than realizing you aren't into the guy and he's not that into you either.

I think JP had many great women, but none that really match his lifestyle or demeanour. He just doesn't seem like a jerk to me, and I have HATED many many of the Bachelors. He's not perfect and may not be that savy or politically correct with what he says to people, but I still like him. Never saw a match for him in this group of all-American girls.

I so agree with your post. I think Juan Pablo is just a very simple guy. I also have my doubts about how serious he was to find a wife at the end of all this, but hey, if TPTB asked most guys to be the bachelor, they would probably have jumped at the chance whether or not they were truly ready to commit to someone. I do also think that most of the women who were cast on this show this season were not very compatible with him. I think on paper, he appears to be the most closely matched to Clare. I know the spoilers say he chose Nikki, and we will find out after the season airs and they are out in the real world if they really and truly are in love or they were just in love in the "Bachelor Bubble".

by Longhornfan Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:22 pm

Here is my take on what I saw. Andi very well may have gotten caught up in the Bachelor Bubble, but I place an equal amount of blame on her for what happened between her and JuanP. First of all, I agree that as soon as she felt the need to get out of that FS, she should have gotten up and left right then. She can't have it both ways, and she needs to own up to at least that, rather than make it all JuanP's fault.

Secondly, did she not know what the premise of the Bachelor show is about? Had she never watched any of the past seasons? And why had she not already brought up the fact that they had never had any of those real deep conversations that would have shed light on their many differences? Why didn't Andi make it a point to tell JuanP that they needed to do more talking and less kissing? She needs to take responsibilty for what she did and did not do as well. Andi could have walked out as soon as JuanP supposedly told her that she barely made it to the F3.

Thirdly, when Andi went to tell JuanP that she was leaving, and she did not get the emotional reaction from him that she wanted, it made her angry. I have said this before. I think that JuanP found it much harder for him to do the breaking up with the women, rather than the other way around. I think Andi expected a whole different response from JuanP, and that fueled the whole argument that followed.

As with all of the other bachelors and bachelorettes who went on to be the next lead in their own season, Andi is going to find out just how much manipulation goes on behind the scenes. She will soon find out that the producers don't care who they throw under the bus.

by MVMom39forever Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:28 pm

Longhornfan wrote:Here is my take on what I saw. Andi very well may have gotten caught up in the Bachelor Bubble, but I place an equal amount of blame on her for what happened between her and JuanP. First of all, I agree that as soon as she felt the need to get out of that FS, she should have gotten up and left right then. She can't have it both ways, and she needs to own up to at least that, rather than make it all JuanP's fault.

Secondly, did she not know what the premise of the Bachelor show is about? Had she never watched any of the past seasons? And why had she not already brought up the fact that they had never had any of those real deep conversations that would have shed light on their many differences? Why didn't Andi make it a point to tell JuanP that they needed to do more talking and less kissing? She needs to take responsibilty for what she did and did not do as well. Andi could have walked out as soon as JuanP supposedly told her that she barely made it to the F3.

Thirdly, when Andi went to tell JuanP that she was leaving, and she did not get the emotional reaction from him that she wanted, it made her angry. I have said this before. I think that JuanP found it much harder for him to do the breaking up with the women, rather than the other way around. I think Andi expected a whole different response from JuanP, and that fueled the whole argument that followed.

As with all of the other bachelors and bachelorettes who went on to be the next lead in their own season, Andi is going to find out just how much manipulation goes on behind the scenes. She will soon find out that the producers don't care who they throw under the bus.

I so agree with this and what many others up thread are sharing.

I was unspoiled up until F4/Hometowns episode. After watching episode 1 plus season previews with friends, we place $5 bet on who will be top 4, F1 and next Bachelorette. Up until ep 1 rose ceremony, I had marked Andi as not even making it into mansion because she seemed obviously at a different intellectual level but lo-and-behold lawyer Andi got rose. When I saw brunette with ombre hair kissing JuanPa in the waterfall preview (and my daughter assuring me it wasn't the nanny), I realized Andi would go far so I picked her as next Bachelorette cause she just didn't seem to be a fit for him. As season unfolded, it has been very evident that TPTB most likely picked Andi to be the next Bachelorette before season even started:

- Beautiful, educated professional unable to give up control but will with right man - CHECK
- Well liked by all women, drama free - CHECK
- Sexy, hot in ball gown AND able to shoot a gun - CHECK
- Feels used/abused by Bachelor but ready to find love - CHECK
- Feisty family/popular Dad you can't wait to see again - CHECK

If JuanPa was more popular/believable as Bachelor looking for love (a la Sean), I BET their showdown would have been edited to be shorter with less of mean girl Andi sticking it to him and more of Nikki's short date. You can almost see the part of filming where Andi got her point across just fine and they could have cut to scene of her in tears. But nope. TPTB used all that film of Andi taking it to the next level and going on and on and on. Enough!!

IMO Andi came across angry/scorned AND helpless victim. I found myself agreeing with JP ... what did she want him to do? Either 1) he was just not that into her so didn't care to discuss big picture topics .. or 2) he is just not that deep with his relationships. He is who he is. I am sure that lawyer Andi would have had no problem sharing her religious, political and child rearing views with JuanPa if she had wanted. But actress Andi "suffered" through a nightmare that she couldn't wait to escape?!? Ummm how about opening up the door and calling for one of the many producers on the other side? Contestants leave all the time and makes for great TV.

But ... you gotta give TPTB credit ... this is certainly a fresh angle for a Bachelorette. We have had our share of 'ettes who are broken hearted and now we've got one out for blood. Since I've enjoyed Andi all season, I will let her b*tchy meltdown slide and look forward to watching all her indepth, heart felt conversations that she has with all the guys whom she's simply biding her time with.

Will be interesting to watch her performance on WTA.

by Longhornfan Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:24 am

MVMom39forever wrote:
Longhornfan wrote:Here is my take on what I saw. Andi very well may have gotten caught up in the Bachelor Bubble, but I place an equal amount of blame on her for what happened between her and JuanP. First of all, I agree that as soon as she felt the need to get out of that FS, she should have gotten up and left right then. She can't have it both ways, and she needs to own up to at least that, rather than make it all JuanP's fault.

Secondly, did she not know what the premise of the Bachelor show is about? Had she never watched any of the past seasons? And why had she not already brought up the fact that they had never had any of those real deep conversations that would have shed light on their many differences? Why didn't Andi make it a point to tell JuanP that they needed to do more talking and less kissing? She needs to take responsibilty for what she did and did not do as well. Andi could have walked out as soon as JuanP supposedly told her that she barely made it to the F3.

Thirdly, when Andi went to tell JuanP that she was leaving, and she did not get the emotional reaction from him that she wanted, it made her angry. I have said this before. I think that JuanP found it much harder for him to do the breaking up with the women, rather than the other way around. I think Andi expected a whole different response from JuanP, and that fueled the whole argument that followed.

As with all of the other bachelors and bachelorettes who went on to be the next lead in their own season, Andi is going to find out just how much manipulation goes on behind the scenes. She will soon find out that the producers don't care who they throw under the bus.

I so agree with this and what many others up thread are sharing.

I was unspoiled up until F4/Hometowns episode. After watching episode 1 plus season previews with friends, we place $5 bet on who will be top 4, F1 and next Bachelorette. Up until ep 1 rose ceremony, I had marked Andi as not even making it into mansion because she seemed obviously at a different intellectual level but lo-and-behold lawyer Andi got rose. When I saw brunette with ombre hair kissing JuanPa in the waterfall preview (and my daughter assuring me it wasn't the nanny), I realized Andi would go far so I picked her as next Bachelorette cause she just didn't seem to be a fit for him. As season unfolded, it has been very evident that TPTB most likely picked Andi to be the next Bachelorette before season even started:

- Beautiful, educated professional unable to give up control but will with right man - CHECK
- Well liked by all women, drama free - CHECK
- Sexy, hot in ball gown AND able to shoot a gun - CHECK
- Feels used/abused by Bachelor but ready to find love - CHECK
- Feisty family/popular Dad you can't wait to see again - CHECK

If JuanPa was more popular/believable as Bachelor looking for love (a la Sean), I BET their showdown would have been edited to be shorter with less of mean girl Andi sticking it to him and more of Nikki's short date. You can almost see the part of filming where Andi got her point across just fine and they could have cut to scene of her in tears. But nope. TPTB used all that film of Andi taking it to the next level and going on and on and on. Enough!!

IMO Andi came across angry/scorned AND helpless victim. I found myself agreeing with JP ... what did she want him to do? Either 1) he was just not that into her so didn't care to discuss big picture topics .. or 2) he is just not that deep with his relationships. He is who he is. I am sure that lawyer Andi would have had no problem sharing her religious, political and child rearing views with JuanPa if she had wanted. But actress Andi "suffered" through a nightmare that she couldn't wait to escape?!? Ummm how about opening up the door and calling for one of the many producers on the other side? Contestants leave all the time and makes for great TV.

But ... you gotta give TPTB credit ... this is certainly a fresh angle for a Bachelorette. We have had our share of 'ettes who are broken hearted and now we've got one out for blood. Since I've enjoyed Andi all season, I will let her b*tchy meltdown slide and look forward to watching all her indepth, heart felt conversations that she has with all the guys whom she's simply biding her time with.

Will be interesting to watch her performance on WTA.

Excellent post. One of the things that bothered me the most about Andi was that I never once heard her say "And I should have gotten up and walked out of that FS right then and there". All I heard her say was that she "could not wait to get out of that FS". Was that just an editing trick, done by the producers in order to get the most dramatic FD episode ever? Had she taken "control of the situation" and ended the FS date, by first confronting JP, and then chose to leave, I would have had more respect for the way that she handled things.

I do feel like that whole conversation was highly "produced", and Andi has NO IDEA what the producers have in store for HER, if she is indeed the next Bachelorette. Perhaps that is why they supposedly got her to sign on the dotted line so quickly, and have already started filming - before she had time to think about it.

by Mustang19 Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:05 am

Longhornfan said:

Excellent post. One of the things that bothered me the most about Andi was that I never once heard her say "And I should have gotten up and walked out of that FS right then and there". All I heard her say was that she "could not wait to get out of that FS". Was that just an editing trick, done by the producers in order to get the most dramatic FD episode ever? Had she taken "control of the situation" and ended the FS date, by first confronting JP, and then chose to leave, I would have had more respect for the way that she handled things.

I do feel like that whole conversation was highly "produced", and Andi has NO IDEA what the producers have in store for HER, if she is indeed the next Bachelorette. Perhaps that is why they supposedly got her to sign on the dotted line so quickly, and have already started filming - before she had time to think about it.[/quote]

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Well, they would have been working on her being the next Bachelorette this since early November when this scene was proabably filmed. I'm no longer an Andi fan. I'm all for strong, independent women and to speak their minds, but I'm also for taking the high road. I agree, if she was not feeling it during the date - "nightmare" by her description, she should have left then; that would be more believable. What I also find in poor taste is for her to make fun of him on twitter NOW. This happened back in November, and while I understand she couldn't have posted her comments that back then, enough time should have passed for her to get over it and not stir the pot.

by MVMom39forever Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:38 pm

^^^
I totally agree about catty Twitter remarks! But, I also have to believe this is TPTB prodding to keep her in public eye. JuanPa has been a very controversial Bachelor and there seem to be more folks who are anti than pro. She's just jumping on bandwagon at his expense (and to heck with respecting his relationship with F1 Nikki, but then again Nikki and Juan Pa must both know the ropes ...).

I actually still like Juan Pa just fine and a lot more than several other former Bachelors. There is always a period when TPTB do everything possible to exploit lead's performance and callout Achilles Heel to fuel some controversy and create social media/water cooler moments that boost ratings. They could care less if we actually like the lead ... they just want ratings! I still cringe when I recall those scenes with Brad W and his television therapist. Why did he consent to that???

And, while I thoroughly enjoyed Des season ... because I was team Chris all the way ... so many complained that she was boring just as folks complained Emily was boring . Well, our little fire cracker Andi sure is proving to not be BORING and that's exactly what TPTB want! She also might be ABC's response to fan complaints of the lack of any substantive conversations among lead and contestants.

Can't wait to see her banter with the boys. Every lawyer needs to have a little actress in them in order to convince juries and most that I know (and I know a LOT) LOVE to talk so should be fun season.

by dw_a_mom Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:39 pm

I don't think they are free to just leave the date. That would be in violation of contract. If they are told to "stay here until your handler arrives," they have to stay there until their handler arrives. Nor is it like they have a car, keys or even full access to their own luggage from the fantasy suite. The above posts are applying a real world assumption to a very un-real world situation.

by Mirzam Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:43 pm

Andi Dorfman ‏@AndiDorfman 15m
Just FYI I never meant to disrespect by saying "eees ok" it was always a joke with us, just like it was when I said "y'all" #simmerdown

by MVMom39forever Fri Feb 28, 2014 3:56 pm

dw_a_mom wrote:I don't they are free to just leave the date. That would be in violation of contract. If they are told to "stay here until your handler arrives," they have to stay there until their handler arrives. Nor is it like they have a car, keys or even full access to their own luggage from the fantasy suite. You are applying a real world assumption to a very un-real world situation.

Gosh, I have to believe that there are loads of production folks camped out in room right next door so no need for cars or keys. If Andi was so very miserable and experiencing a nightmare, all she had to was go knock on suite next door to them and there would be Cassie and Elan and whomever else in production. They would have whipped out cameras and cued the sound guys to catch all the drama as it unfolded right then and there! It would have been awesome tv ...

Andi stumbling out in middle of night, wearing just a night gown, her hair a bit messy, screaming how she couldn't take it anymore, tears flying with Juan Pa either chasing after her or kicked back in his room acting all smug or heckling after her (if he really was such an insensitive lout as she claims). Then we'd see Andi fumbling in the dark as she looked for her own hotel room and then crying some more as she threw herself against her own bed and just for effect putting her hands up and begging them to stop filming.

Now that would have been awesome TV!!!

Think about this as well ... for legal reasons ... I am positive that production would have to be readily available just for the fact that they are putting a man, a woman (who barely know each other) and a lot of champagne in a hotel room. ABC would be crazy to not have it somewhere in the contract that the contestant and/or lead can call an end to the overnight date at any time if he/she feels that their rights are being violated or wishes not being respected. Major lawsuit on their hands ... major scandal ...

by eliza3 Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:39 pm

Mirzam wrote:
Andi Dorfman ‏@AndiDorfman 15m
Just FYI I never meant to disrespect by saying "eees ok" it was always a joke with us, just like it was when I said "y'all" #simmerdown

If it was a joke between them….then why did she get so upset during the break up?? She just put her foot in it for the first time - of many times to come I am sure. "Where you lying then or are you lying now counselor"?

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