Re: Des & Chris Siegfried - Fan Forum - General Discussion

[Guest]

Hey JBF.. you got me watching it one frame at a time... I missed this.. but probably Brittany, BM, and mura caught it.  

are you teasing us, Grace?..teheheee.......:giggle: 
i remember so well, Britt was going :hearts love: observing that darn perfect chest hair!... .:Flirty:

There's a little photo shopping here. I'll let you find it.  :shocked!: :trampoline:  

grace,what was that fanning emoticon for ?  i am not a rocket scientist when it comes to photoshop  . so pls do TEASE and..... TELL!!... 
i promiiiise not to tell anyone!!...pinky swear!!.....      #IGetTooExcitedForNaughtyThings  :lala:

[Guest]

JBF - really enjoying your thoughts on this season.  I TIVOED the season so I am lucky enough to watch it anytime and have been since show ended.  As mentioned before, for the first time ever, I did not read spoilers and so with that said, as I watched this season as a "virgin" viewer, I always thought Chris was a front runner from episode 3.  Now, because of your points, I did re-watch the Germany date and the "ball dance scene". Your right on.  With Des and Chris there is ALOT of chopping/editing!!!!!  A key thing you mentioned ( I think) was "foreshadowing".  The ball dance was with Matt White, and mentioned FAIRYTALE......hmmmmm, sooooo fitting to the ending.  One thing that was perplexing to me was how Chris was so CONFIDENT.  Why?  How can you be so confident?  What did we not see with him and Des for him to be there at the end?  One thing I notice with most seasons is the edit shows passionate kissing with the non-winners, mostly not with F1.  My goodness, the kiss with Drew against the wall was HOT - love her "go for it" attitude - we did not see the HOT kissing with Chris, but of course they were there because he mentioned several times on the show "their passion".   Really? I think I saw in an interview that they did not really show their chemistry.  Let me tell you, the Bachelor show edit team does a great job with showing a story and shocking us.  Loved the find you had with the Trista commentary.  Again, the chop and edit with Des/Chris is off the chain.  Consider the question the Dad asked Chris!  He asked why should she choose you and I think the edit cut it out because he answered something else!!!!!!!  Did anyone catch the Molly/Jason comment on their podcast?  Don't quote me but they said they were the coolest people ever and then Molly said they were so in love with eachother that when she left them she  cracked up and thought "jeez, Jason, do we love eachother that much????"  Love this board and so rooting for Des and Chris.  I hope their wedding is televised but respect if it is not.  It's their day:)

Can you post the link for that podcast. TIA

[JBF]

I think this is the one you are looking for:

http://www.kiroradio.com/listen/9960863/

[2observe]

Hey JBF.. you got me watching it one frame at a time... I missed this.. but probably Brittany, BM, and mura caught it.  

Should we discuss where their hands are laying????  

[Guest]

Hey JBF.. you got me watching it one frame at a time... I missed this.. but probably Brittany, BM, and mura caught it.  

Should we discuss where their hands are laying????   

I feel like such a naughty girl pointing this out...:hidingchair Sorry Chris.  Britt isn't this your job?   The photo shopping is on his ummm... swimsuit to hide a something something.. JBF will appreciate that the editors did it in the shape of a rocket ship. Notice the creases disappear.   The hands are nice too.

[Guest]

I think this is the one you are looking for:

http://www.kiroradio.com/listen/9960863/

Thank you!

[Guest]

Hey JBF.. you got me watching it one frame at a time... I missed this.. but probably Brittany, BM, and mura caught it.  

Should we discuss where their hands are laying????   

I feel like such a naughty girl pointing this out...:hidingchair Sorry Chris.  Britt isn't this your job?   The photo shopping is on his ummm... swimsuit to hide a something something.. JBF will appreciate that the editors did it in the shape of a rocket ship. Notice the creases disappear.   The hands are nice too.

now after i know the answer, Grace..how i wish this thread could stay at PG-13 rating... ....#ButNotReally .
PS : where is Britt?....we def.ly need her hilarious comments when it comes to the most super extremely important issue of this world.... 

[brittany4400]

Hey JBF.. you got me watching it one frame at a time... I missed this.. but probably Brittany, BM, and mura caught it.  

Should we discuss where their hands are laying????   

I feel like such a naughty girl pointing this out...:hidingchair Sorry Chris.  Britt isn't this your job?   The photo shopping is on his ummm... swimsuit to hide a something something.. JBF will appreciate that the editors did it in the shape of a rocket ship. Notice the creases disappear.   The hands are nice too.

now after i know the answer, Grace..how i wish this thread could stay at PG-13 rating... ....#ButNotReally .
PS : where is Britt?....we def.ly need her hilarious comments when it comes to the most super extremely important issue of this world.... 

  where would I put chris hand if I where des???? Exactly where she has it!!!!no wonder chris was so confident he was the man at the end! She had his hands around her boobs the next ep! I say someone was already very comfy with mr chris!!!
Also I must be off my chris body analysis skills tonight? I don't see any photoshopping! Maybe bbmom (the v expert) can help is out  

[brittany4400]

thanks again for that insightful post JBF!..and love your post, tubinar!..t4 sharing... 
as for Chris`s confidence, you are so spot on tubinar!. me and my buddies with our #ProtectiveMommasBear mode  , were so anxious that folks may think Chris as delusional and wishful when he kept saying that he knew that Des reciprocated his feeling, bc we didnt get to see any of that. Not in sufficient amount, i guess. but i have always think: Nahhh...it must be bc that little devil MF and his sneaky editors who chose to show us what they only need us to know.   . Why? because he is a "relationship guy" (his own words), and most importantly he is NOT that dumb...:winkie: :strings1 

anyway, i realize 100% that i may be called delusional again for thinking about this matter. oh well....so be it...i`d take rotten tomatoes any day when it comes to Chris!..LOL....   #ALoveToDieFor :halo:

mura, I fondly remember all the PMs we exchanged after that Munich date and how perplexed we were about Chris' "confidence" in his relationship with Des. With the spoilers firmly in the back of our minds, we couldn't reconcile how sure he was that Des returned his feelings. Ha! If only we knew then what we know now   Remember just how bad we felt at one point that we thought of quitting the board and needed Britt to pull us out of the hole....

true buddy!  ..it was a hard times for us being on Chris train. and it gets harder and harder up to the finale part 1. besides, i have this silly tendency to have faith and believe wholeheartedly he is the F1, from episode 3 forward . So i always kept thinking what the heck am i doing here?...throwing out silly theory he is the F1 only for being called delusional, and hanging on for the dear life of me as i always feel chased to be eaten alive...Welp! :hidingchair . This silly show had literally gotten me going nuts!. so i always been in this  :pullouthair:  mode, while OTOH you with your gentle heart always been in this "ready for :tissuebox:on the finale" mode  :arrowlove: . And then, we have Britt, on the other edge, who always in this :hearts love: :Flirty:  mode over Chris!.... . so TY Britt, we love ya!!... Seriously, i am glad we have e.o, otherwise i am sure one of us has long gone off this board before we even knew the amusing outcome!. :bigsmile: .not to mention before we redeem our pity-self with that awesome celebration!  .

I also think i must thank Prof. JBF who also confident Chris is the F1, esp. after epis.5. He is one of my partners in crime in the secret alliance against the spoilers..and he never failed to convince me to keep the faith, by sharing his awesome expertise. (he literally will kill me for calling him Prof. once again, but .....hey!! i can tell him bbmom who made me do this!.. )

No days gone by without me being grateful that i was on Chrisville  . My only left item on bucket list as a Chrisville girl that he will pop up here someday to say :Hi!!:  to all of us!. . I guess im not asking too much, am i?...

I can't help but be all :Drool: :hearts love:  the man is just so sweet and romantic and committed and loyal and sincere and goofy and boyish and kind and gorgeous and man his proposal in that sexy voice was just it for me! I was done !! I was done before that but done for life after the proposal :Flirty:  des better keep this one tight! He loves her and she best keep his love cause she will never get that lucky twice ! I am so glad to have you girls to share in the chres love with  

[Guest]

Hey Tubinar, you reminded me of something else about the Meet The Hartsocks segment...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVqJs_zx7Fk

Note that Tony is shaking his head "yes" before Chris finishes asking permission, but the editors still had to squeeze in a "pause moment" of him not giving approval right away. Makes you wonder if more than one take was done here.

Desiree had NO problem with her parents. This may be why Roxanne got no screentime. (Didn't look "stern" enough.) I think it was strictly Nate who was the concern... and I don't think he ever had anything against Chris, just the IDEA of her hitching to somebody in a short span of time... and on TV.

I think ONE reason many viewers are less "sold" on Des/Chris while Des/Brooks seem more up-front and believable is because there are more moments when you sense that Chris and Des have rehearsed a little or did more than one take.

For example... was it with the poetry book that this was confirmed?... they discussed his job in Seattle in Madeira but waited until Antigua to show a conversation about it on screen. Maybe Des had mixed reactions at first in their earlier conversation, but then (after hometowns) was more confident with her answer. We saw her confidently answer that she was willing to move there on screen.

Also you hear them discuss their relationship For The Viewers (like "how we are in group dates and you give me this look", etc.) and these scenes seem a trifle awkward. I think they did that so certain questions that CERTAIN viewers had (Nate or other family members perhaps?) were answered. Yet the casual viewers sense something not quite "natural" about these scenes. Again... like in the Madeira date, you see Chris look off screen during one PI session as if he is trying to remember a specific word he needs to state on screen. It even looks like he may be reading some cue card.

During the episode #3 dance, they dubbed in voice-overs from Chris that I am pretty certain were recorded much later in time (possibly in May post-Antigua?) regarding the "fairytale" and their chemistry that early being exciting. Yet he sounds rather bland like Daddy George discussing patients' back trouble. That may be the reason they included those lines... because viewers might even take his commentary as less genuine than what they were seeing on screen. (When you watch it carefully, she is pretty "all over" Chris in that dance. She literally escorts him away from the group with that "don't wait up for us guys" look and is all wide-eyed with him... so, no, he was definitely not a "dumpee" on her mind then.)

One of the best examples from the past to compare to some of this is Phuket episode #4 with Ashley and JP under the umbrella. Now Chrystie accused JP late in the game that Ash is "too much" for him and that he is too "demure". This may be why we saw so much "heat" on screen between the two, which normally would have been edited out to make JP less obvious as F1. Also BOTH Ashley and JP have to comment on their scene in order to make it even more obvious to CERTAIN viewers: she says her kisses with JP are "magical" and considered "that shaved head" a turn-on, while JP really emphasizes their "chemistry" being amazing. Obviously Chrystie and Nate were "thorns" on Ashley and Des' sides and I still speculate the editing was at least partly done to curb their skepticism. Even on the Wedding show, Chrystie said some oddball stuff on camera (can't remember off hand), making me think she was still "adjusting" to her sister marrying JP on TV. She was so much better in December 2012 than May 2011, but still a work-in-progress.

They did downsize the heat between Chris and Des this season. Well... apart from them being in various states of undress together. She did tell Jonathan that "I'm not that kind of girl", but something seemed "off" when, before breaking up with Brooks, she is talking about the little things Chris does for her as she rolls up her shorts over her bikini bottom. She is fully clothed before we hear any commentary on Drew and Brooks, who is "set apart" from the other relationships.

hey JBF!!  you were spot on regarding the bolded. Not sure whether youve been following our prev hot dicussion on one of our thread. Grace had came up with great speculation that actually the FD we saw was not the real/actual FD, by analysing the timeline of Chris's synopysis from his memoir. Here it is the sum up point by point (SCMIIW):

- the on-screen LCD we saw = actual FD (i am still cracking up on the "fiddles the top button and full moon" shots :P , leading you to believe Des had stayed for the night, the normal norm for past FDs)

- the FD we saw = the "filler" FD that likely was taken after filming the actual FD/on-screen LCD. it explains the "filler" convo : moving to Seattle (which actually firstly brought in Medeira, but they had to retake it in Antigua only for viewers to see  ) and the "flashing back on GDs" convo to highlight smth they shared on GDs, also for us, the viewers).

- bonus point from you : the feeding watermelon scene on the "filler" FD which looks like  to me ,one thing a couple would do after becoming hubby-wifey for 5 years   

- err..bonus point from me : the rolling on the sand scenes on the "filler" FD which seems she doesnt even has a care in the world,  aka Brooks who??..:P....for our devoted Chris-ish mind, it just doesnt add up, after rolling freely on the sand, and being so comfy crawling on top of him :shy::Woah-hoo:  she would still bailing her eyes out due to Brooks's leaving on the next 2 days. Err...sorry..but just NOOO..that was a mission IMpossibleee...:laughingoutlou . It would make much more sense if she did it AFTER Brooks leaving, which matched with Grace's theory. .

Pls feel free to add/discuss more about this fun after-the-fact matter.:trampoline: .Carry on!...

[Guest]

Hey JBF.. you got me watching it one frame at a time... I missed this.. but probably Brittany, BM, and mura caught it.  

Should we discuss where their hands are laying????   

I feel like such a naughty girl pointing this out...:hidingchair Sorry Chris.  Britt isn't this your job?   The photo shopping is on his ummm... swimsuit to hide a something something.. JBF will appreciate that the editors did it in the shape of a rocket ship. Notice the creases disappear.   The hands are nice too.

now after i know the answer, Grace..how i wish this thread could stay at PG-13 rating... ....#ButNotReally .
PS : where is Britt?....we def.ly need her hilarious comments when it comes to the most super extremely important issue of this world.... 

  where would I put chris hand if I where des???? Exactly where she has it!!!!no wonder chris was so confident he was the man  at the end! She had his hands around her boobs the next ep! I say someone was already very comfy with mr chris!!!
Also I must be off my chris body analysis skills tonight? I don't see any photoshopping! Maybe bbmom (the v expert) can help is out  

 i literally spitting my lunch over your post, Britt!!. and you are so darn right about the b$#bs on the LCD! .:LMBO: 
Thanks for coming out from your cave to promptly address this super urgent crucial issue.! .

ETA. O..M...G..i cant believe u mentioned smth about rocket, Grace!..after i mentioned rocket scientiest, you came up with rocket ship. Here is the thing : i have a soft spot on everything rocket...so i just cant even....:eyesigh:   . Poor Guy.!.... 
All the joking aside, can i say,observing that infamous "happiest man on earth" safe house pic, he must have redeemed himself sooo welll on that safe house visits. I just am simply happy for him and his "Cat's Bleep2". :Woah-hoo: :Woah-hoo: :Woah-hoo:

[Guest]

Hey JBF.. you got me watching it one frame at a time... I missed this.. but probably Brittany, BM, and mura caught it.  

Should we discuss where their hands are laying????   

I feel like such a naughty girl pointing this out...:hidingchair Sorry Chris.  Britt isn't this your job?   The photo shopping is on his ummm... swimsuit to hide a something something.. JBF will appreciate that the editors did it in the shape of a rocket ship. Notice the creases disappear.   The hands are nice too.

now after i know the answer, Grace..how i wish this thread could stay at PG-13 rating... ....#ButNotReally .
PS : where is Britt?....we def.ly need her hilarious comments when it comes to the most super extremely important issue of this world.... 

  where would I put chris hand if I where des???? Exactly where she has it!!!!no wonder chris was so confident he was the man  at the end! She had his hands around her boobs the next ep! I say someone was already very comfy with mr chris!!!
Also I must be off my chris body analysis skills tonight? I don't see any photoshopping! Maybe bbmom (the v expert) can help is out  

 i literally spitting my lunch over your post, Britt!!. and you are so darn right about the b$#bs on the LCD! .:LMBO: 
Thanks for coming out from your cave to promptly address this super urgent crucial issue.! .

ETA. O..M...G..i cant believe u mentioned smth about rocket, Grace!..after i mentioned rocket scientiest, you came up with rocket ship. Here is the thing : i have a soft spot on everything rocket...so i just cant even....:eyesigh:   . Poor Guy.!.... 
All the joking aside, can i say,observing that infamous "happiest man on earth" safe house pic, he must have redeemed himself sooo welll on that safe house visits. I just am simply happy for him and his "Cat's Bleep2". :Woah-hoo: :Woah-hoo: :Woah-hoo:

oh lordy.. i opened a can of worms. Now I must make this R rated to clear HRH's name. I was only suggesting he was excited to see her, no that there were "spots" of his shorts.  Not sure why you can't see it Brit. I just got a new mac with some new fangled screen resolution, so maybe that's why I can see the rocket ship. Carry on...

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