Brooks Discussion Group

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Mustang19 wrote:

Muslady wrote:Brooks was honest just a bit slow to let Des know his feelings.  Chris was more honest as expressed his feelings to her each time he was with her, either with poetry or conversation.  Des had no questions about where she stood with Chris, this was not the case with Brooks.JMO

Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. A bit slow? He told her when he realized he wasn't feeling it. It's not like he knew weeks before and held onto that little tidbit, accepting roses the whole time. He told her the very next time he saw her. Chris, Zak AND Drew all told her of their feelings and were ALL honest, not just Chris. Des was telling Chris H that she loved Brooks for weeks, but didn't tell Brooks apparently even in private. The least honest person in this group was Des herself. Brooks took the hard way out. Him telling the truth wasn't easy for anyone, but it's better than lying and saying he loved her when he didn't. Chris, Drew and Zak had it easy in speaking the truth.

For what it's worth, he did know about it in Madeira, but didn't do anything about it then, so yes, he was slow in telling Des.  I do think that you are maybe wrong, because Des wasn't telling Chris Harrison for WEEKS that she loved Brooks.  She did say she was falling in love with him but didn't say she LOVED him that long.  One thing that I don't agree with, Des was honest.  The concept of the show and for filming reasons means that we are only shown what they(producers) want us to see.  For all we know, she could of been saying for WEEKS that it is Chris that she loves and not Brooks, but we as the viewers were only given what the producers wanted us to see in order for them to tell the story they wanted us to see.  By saying that Des wasn't being honest, I think is really harsh as you weren't there as filming happened, and neither was I so for us to assume that she wasn't honest really isn't fair.  IMO

Well, I can honestly say that that is the first time in my entire life I have ever been called harsh. If you knew me, that would be the last description someone would say about me.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't believe that any of your speculation is correct just as you don't believe mine. She did say to CH "I love Brooks". She said lots of things. Brooks never said he wasn't feeling it, just that he didn't know if he was to the point of a proposal - big difference. I'll have to go rewatch the Madeira episode where you say Brooks did know then - seems to me I missed that. Again, neither of us know them or were there so all of this is just our own opinions.

Regarding the bolded, Brooks said that he knew what love felt like and he didn't feel it with Des.  So I guess one can say that he wasn't feeling it with Des.

Brooks said he knew what love felt like and didn't feel it with Des at the AFR, not during the show. My point being he had been saying he had feelings for her, but not to the point of forever. Once he came to a conclusion of what his feelings really were, after hometowns, he told her. There are comments saying he knew at a much earlier point and was leading her on, thus should have not accepted a rose. He told her when he came to the conclusion that he didn't love her.

As was previously pointed out:

None of us were there.
None of us know what really happened.
None of us know what the people involved were feeling and when they were feeling it.
We are all speculating based on our own perceptions which are based on our own experiences.

Every season has the fans and revisionists coming out and trying to justify who, what, where, when and why...based on their favourites. 

You mean like when people were saying Jef and Emily were a fake couple?  I think we've seen enough to question what is presented. I agree that while some of us (myself included) enjoy trying to figure out what is real and what is not, it does feel like beating a dead horse sometimes because we won't know anytime soon, if ever. :Frown:

I was one of those who was saying they were fake...individually and together...and didn't I get slammed for my opinions.

I too enjoy trying to figure out what is real and what isn't. | also don't mind hearing other peoples opinions because sometimes it gives me new perspective. Where my issues start is when people feel the need to bring down one person at the expense of another...just because you are a fan.

It is considered harsh to criticize how Dez acted but it's OK to do the same for Brooks...or Drew...or any of the other guys who weren't chosen. We don't know what kind of pressure she was under and how much the producers left out of the edit for Des, but we do for Brooks. The explanations get more and more elaborate and anyone who disagrees is inundated by the fans. At a certain point you just have to let it go because no one is going to change anyone's mind and only time will reveal the truth of the matter. That is my favourite part!  

grace8136 wrote:

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grace8136 wrote:

gabriele wrote:

Muslady wrote:Brooks was honest just a bit slow to let Des know his feelings.  Chris was more honest as expressed his feelings to her each time he was with her, either with poetry or conversation.  Des had no questions about where she stood with Chris, this was not the case with Brooks.JMO

des said she wasn't bothered by the fact that brooks hadn't said he loved her verbally. she thought how he acted with her showed he did love her and said this to CH at least once. she was over the moon for brooks. she was like a giddy school girl when she was talking with his mom at his HTD. 

i think she wanted to be with him so much she probably wasn't paying enough attention to how he felt about her. kind of like with sean too when he let her go. jmo.

brooks told her as soon as knew (and was allowed to by producers) he wasn't in love with des. she asked him in their breakup why he didn't tell her sooner and he said he didn't know before. his whole m.o. was to be honest. of course the producers did it just like with bryden and made him fly to another country just to break up.

If we take the show at face value and assume there is no storyboard, no shenanigans, I agree with this. My only question is it seems like because of ratings they have to go into it with a plan, otherwise they would be a nervous wreck that it would be a boring season. Not sure they can just leave it up to chance when there is so much money on the line. They have Chris (fake) down on one knee at the beginning like Jim Halpert and patiently waiting for her to realize he is the one, just like Jim. I just don't buy that Chris and his family are fine with what we saw, so to me it seems there are some things we don't know. She mentioned in one of the interviews that he wasn't good at keeping secrets, but agreed he was good at keeping the ending a secret... so what secrets can't he keep?

Hmmmmm... Good point grace!  She did say that in an interview post show and I remember thinking the same thing!  At first I thought she meant the outcome but then they both agreed he did a good job keeping THAT a secret so what did she mean. Makes you wonder.   

I know, right.. imagine my questioning mind racing about WHAT SECRETS!!? Should we speculate or are we already doing that?  Let's see.. we have pondered the storyboard which is my first guess. Second guess was that she was a virgin, but would he tell people that? Don't think so. Maybe Becky. Could have been about some other aspect of sex.. passion maybe. What else do you keep a secret? Her move to Seattle? Doesn't seem like that would need to be a secret to those already in the know. So to me.. it seems like it had to be about the show. One thing I will say is that if there was any storyboard, secrets in the show... I don't think Brooks was in on it.

Grace, you bring up great points. It's fun to ponder and debate but most of us are not going to lose sleep over it! I am more interested in their "post show" relationship! Lol. And they sure have made that fun!

I also remember the interview they did at the Seattle radio or TV station and they were asked what was something new or surprising they learned about each other post show. Chris had this curious smile on his face and before he could answer Des gave her answer. I always wondered what he was thinking. Probably something he could not say! :giggle: 

Keep the thoughts coming! It's all fascinating to me!

On a side note I have been checking the threads on Juan Pablo and looks like he left tonight to start filming!

@sprite.. Maybe because I don't think about Brooks and Drew one way or the other, I am not noticing them being bashed much, but I do understand your point. A few lucky people get something in return for being on this crazy show, but most are just pawns in the game for MF.

@sm.. I did notice that mischievous, pleased grin when asked that question, so maybe that's what the secrets are about.

I won't post it since this is a Brooks discussion thread, but it's around the 3:20 mark for anyone who hasn't watched the video. secrets comment at 2:30 mark... [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Sprite wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

Sprite wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

2observe wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

Muslady wrote:Brooks was honest just a bit slow to let Des know his feelings.  Chris was more honest as expressed his feelings to her each time he was with her, either with poetry or conversation.  Des had no questions about where she stood with Chris, this was not the case with Brooks.JMO

Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. A bit slow? He told her when he realized he wasn't feeling it. It's not like he knew weeks before and held onto that little tidbit, accepting roses the whole time. He told her the very next time he saw her. Chris, Zak AND Drew all told her of their feelings and were ALL honest, not just Chris. Des was telling Chris H that she loved Brooks for weeks, but didn't tell Brooks apparently even in private. The least honest person in this group was Des herself. Brooks took the hard way out. Him telling the truth wasn't easy for anyone, but it's better than lying and saying he loved her when he didn't. Chris, Drew and Zak had it easy in speaking the truth.

For what it's worth, he did know about it in Madeira, but didn't do anything about it then, so yes, he was slow in telling Des.  I do think that you are maybe wrong, because Des wasn't telling Chris Harrison for WEEKS that she loved Brooks.  She did say she was falling in love with him but didn't say she LOVED him that long.  One thing that I don't agree with, Des was honest.  The concept of the show and for filming reasons means that we are only shown what they(producers) want us to see.  For all we know, she could of been saying for WEEKS that it is Chris that she loves and not Brooks, but we as the viewers were only given what the producers wanted us to see in order for them to tell the story they wanted us to see.  By saying that Des wasn't being honest, I think is really harsh as you weren't there as filming happened, and neither was I so for us to assume that she wasn't honest really isn't fair.  IMO

Well, I can honestly say that that is the first time in my entire life I have ever been called harsh. If you knew me, that would be the last description someone would say about me.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't believe that any of your speculation is correct just as you don't believe mine. She did say to CH "I love Brooks". She said lots of things. Brooks never said he wasn't feeling it, just that he didn't know if he was to the point of a proposal - big difference. I'll have to go rewatch the Madeira episode where you say Brooks did know then - seems to me I missed that. Again, neither of us know them or were there so all of this is just our own opinions.

Regarding the bolded, Brooks said that he knew what love felt like and he didn't feel it with Des.  So I guess one can say that he wasn't feeling it with Des.

Brooks said he knew what love felt like and didn't feel it with Des at the AFR, not during the show. My point being he had been saying he had feelings for her, but not to the point of forever. Once he came to a conclusion of what his feelings really were, after hometowns, he told her. There are comments saying he knew at a much earlier point and was leading her on, thus should have not accepted a rose. He told her when he came to the conclusion that he didn't love her.

As was previously pointed out:

None of us were there.
None of us know what really happened.
None of us know what the people involved were feeling and when they were feeling it.
We are all speculating based on our own perceptions which are based on our own experiences.

Every season has the fans and revisionists coming out and trying to justify who, what, where, when and why...based on their favourites. 

You mean like when people were saying Jef and Emily were a fake couple?  I think we've seen enough to question what is presented. I agree that while some of us (myself included) enjoy trying to figure out what is real and what is not, it does feel like beating a dead horse sometimes because we won't know anytime soon, if ever. :Frown:

I was one of those who was saying they were fake...individually and together...and didn't I get slammed for my opinions.

I too enjoy trying to figure out what is real and what isn't. | also don't mind hearing other peoples opinions because sometimes it gives me new perspective. Where my issues start is when people feel the need to bring down one person at the expense of another...just because you are a fan.

It is considered harsh to criticize how Dez acted but it's OK to do the same for Brooks...or Drew...or any of the other guys who weren't chosen. We don't know what kind of pressure she was under and how much the producers left out of the edit for Des, but we do for Brooks. The explanations get more and more elaborate and anyone who disagrees is inundated by the fans. At a certain point you just have to let it go because no one is going to change anyone's mind and only time will reveal the truth of the matter. That is my favourite part!  

I agree with you. Yes, sometimes a double standard. I get being a loyal fan and all, but sometimes it is over the top IMO. Everyone's made up their minds, and it isn't going to change now. Last time I checked, it is okay to criticize or post something negative about a contestant as long as it isn't a fan thread.

"I agree with you. Yes, sometimes a double standard. I get being a loyal fan and all, but sometimes it is over the top IMO. Everyone's made up their minds, and it isn't going to change now. Last time I checked, it is okay to criticize or post something negative about a contestant as long as it isn't a fan thread."

Exactly Mustang. I don't mind people criticizing, but it's the double standard that bugs me. If it applies to one...then it applies to the other. No cherry picking the facts.

Mustang19 wrote:

Sprite wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

Sprite wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

2observe wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

Muslady wrote:Brooks was honest just a bit slow to let Des know his feelings.  Chris was more honest as expressed his feelings to her each time he was with her, either with poetry or conversation.  Des had no questions about where she stood with Chris, this was not the case with Brooks.JMO

Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. A bit slow? He told her when he realized he wasn't feeling it. It's not like he knew weeks before and held onto that little tidbit, accepting roses the whole time. He told her the very next time he saw her. Chris, Zak AND Drew all told her of their feelings and were ALL honest, not just Chris. Des was telling Chris H that she loved Brooks for weeks, but didn't tell Brooks apparently even in private. The least honest person in this group was Des herself. Brooks took the hard way out. Him telling the truth wasn't easy for anyone, but it's better than lying and saying he loved her when he didn't. Chris, Drew and Zak had it easy in speaking the truth.

For what it's worth, he did know about it in Madeira, but didn't do anything about it then, so yes, he was slow in telling Des.  I do think that you are maybe wrong, because Des wasn't telling Chris Harrison for WEEKS that she loved Brooks.  She did say she was falling in love with him but didn't say she LOVED him that long.  One thing that I don't agree with, Des was honest.  The concept of the show and for filming reasons means that we are only shown what they(producers) want us to see.  For all we know, she could of been saying for WEEKS that it is Chris that she loves and not Brooks, but we as the viewers were only given what the producers wanted us to see in order for them to tell the story they wanted us to see.  By saying that Des wasn't being honest, I think is really harsh as you weren't there as filming happened, and neither was I so for us to assume that she wasn't honest really isn't fair.  IMO

Well, I can honestly say that that is the first time in my entire life I have ever been called harsh. If you knew me, that would be the last description someone would say about me.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't believe that any of your speculation is correct just as you don't believe mine. She did say to CH "I love Brooks". She said lots of things. Brooks never said he wasn't feeling it, just that he didn't know if he was to the point of a proposal - big difference. I'll have to go rewatch the Madeira episode where you say Brooks did know then - seems to me I missed that. Again, neither of us know them or were there so all of this is just our own opinions.

Regarding the bolded, Brooks said that he knew what love felt like and he didn't feel it with Des.  So I guess one can say that he wasn't feeling it with Des.

Brooks said he knew what love felt like and didn't feel it with Des at the AFR, not during the show. My point being he had been saying he had feelings for her, but not to the point of forever. Once he came to a conclusion of what his feelings really were, after hometowns, he told her. There are comments saying he knew at a much earlier point and was leading her on, thus should have not accepted a rose. He told her when he came to the conclusion that he didn't love her.

As was previously pointed out:

None of us were there.
None of us know what really happened.
None of us know what the people involved were feeling and when they were feeling it.
We are all speculating based on our own perceptions which are based on our own experiences.

Every season has the fans and revisionists coming out and trying to justify who, what, where, when and why...based on their favourites. 

You mean like when people were saying Jef and Emily were a fake couple?  I think we've seen enough to question what is presented. I agree that while some of us (myself included) enjoy trying to figure out what is real and what is not, it does feel like beating a dead horse sometimes because we won't know anytime soon, if ever. :Frown:

I was one of those who was saying they were fake...individually and together...and didn't I get slammed for my opinions.

I too enjoy trying to figure out what is real and what isn't. | also don't mind hearing other peoples opinions because sometimes it gives me new perspective. Where my issues start is when people feel the need to bring down one person at the expense of another...just because you are a fan.

It is considered harsh to criticize how Dez acted but it's OK to do the same for Brooks...or Drew...or any of the other guys who weren't chosen. We don't know what kind of pressure she was under and how much the producers left out of the edit for Des, but we do for Brooks. The explanations get more and more elaborate and anyone who disagrees is inundated by the fans. At a certain point you just have to let it go because no one is going to change anyone's mind and only time will reveal the truth of the matter. That is my favourite part!  

I agree with you. Yes, sometimes a double standard. I get being a loyal fan and all, but sometimes it is over the top IMO. Everyone's made up their minds, and it isn't going to change now. Last time I checked, it is okay to criticize or post something negative about a contestant as long as it isn't a fan thread.

I don't have enough time/energy to even figure out what is being said here with this many quotes. Can someone summarize?

IrishGal wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

Sprite wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

Sprite wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

2observe wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

Mustang19 wrote:

Muslady wrote:Brooks was honest just a bit slow to let Des know his feelings.  Chris was more honest as expressed his feelings to her each time he was with her, either with poetry or conversation.  Des had no questions about where she stood with Chris, this was not the case with Brooks.JMO

Sorry, but this makes no sense to me. A bit slow? He told her when he realized he wasn't feeling it. It's not like he knew weeks before and held onto that little tidbit, accepting roses the whole time. He told her the very next time he saw her. Chris, Zak AND Drew all told her of their feelings and were ALL honest, not just Chris. Des was telling Chris H that she loved Brooks for weeks, but didn't tell Brooks apparently even in private. The least honest person in this group was Des herself. Brooks took the hard way out. Him telling the truth wasn't easy for anyone, but it's better than lying and saying he loved her when he didn't. Chris, Drew and Zak had it easy in speaking the truth.

For what it's worth, he did know about it in Madeira, but didn't do anything about it then, so yes, he was slow in telling Des.  I do think that you are maybe wrong, because Des wasn't telling Chris Harrison for WEEKS that she loved Brooks.  She did say she was falling in love with him but didn't say she LOVED him that long.  One thing that I don't agree with, Des was honest.  The concept of the show and for filming reasons means that we are only shown what they(producers) want us to see.  For all we know, she could of been saying for WEEKS that it is Chris that she loves and not Brooks, but we as the viewers were only given what the producers wanted us to see in order for them to tell the story they wanted us to see.  By saying that Des wasn't being honest, I think is really harsh as you weren't there as filming happened, and neither was I so for us to assume that she wasn't honest really isn't fair.  IMO

Well, I can honestly say that that is the first time in my entire life I have ever been called harsh. If you knew me, that would be the last description someone would say about me.

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. I don't believe that any of your speculation is correct just as you don't believe mine. She did say to CH "I love Brooks". She said lots of things. Brooks never said he wasn't feeling it, just that he didn't know if he was to the point of a proposal - big difference. I'll have to go rewatch the Madeira episode where you say Brooks did know then - seems to me I missed that. Again, neither of us know them or were there so all of this is just our own opinions.

Regarding the bolded, Brooks said that he knew what love felt like and he didn't feel it with Des.  So I guess one can say that he wasn't feeling it with Des.

Brooks said he knew what love felt like and didn't feel it with Des at the AFR, not during the show. My point being he had been saying he had feelings for her, but not to the point of forever. Once he came to a conclusion of what his feelings really were, after hometowns, he told her. There are comments saying he knew at a much earlier point and was leading her on, thus should have not accepted a rose. He told her when he came to the conclusion that he didn't love her.

As was previously pointed out:

None of us were there.
None of us know what really happened.
None of us know what the people involved were feeling and when they were feeling it.
We are all speculating based on our own perceptions which are based on our own experiences.

Every season has the fans and revisionists coming out and trying to justify who, what, where, when and why...based on their favourites. 

You mean like when people were saying Jef and Emily were a fake couple?  I think we've seen enough to question what is presented. I agree that while some of us (myself included) enjoy trying to figure out what is real and what is not, it does feel like beating a dead horse sometimes because we won't know anytime soon, if ever. :Frown:

I was one of those who was saying they were fake...individually and together...and didn't I get slammed for my opinions.

I too enjoy trying to figure out what is real and what isn't. | also don't mind hearing other peoples opinions because sometimes it gives me new perspective. Where my issues start is when people feel the need to bring down one person at the expense of another...just because you are a fan.

It is considered harsh to criticize how Dez acted but it's OK to do the same for Brooks...or Drew...or any of the other guys who weren't chosen. We don't know what kind of pressure she was under and how much the producers left out of the edit for Des, but we do for Brooks. The explanations get more and more elaborate and anyone who disagrees is inundated by the fans. At a certain point you just have to let it go because no one is going to change anyone's mind and only time will reveal the truth of the matter. That is my favourite part!  

I agree with you. Yes, sometimes a double standard. I get being a loyal fan and all, but sometimes it is over the top IMO. Everyone's made up their minds, and it isn't going to change now. Last time I checked, it is okay to criticize or post something negative about a contestant as long as it isn't a fan thread.

I don't have enough time/energy to even figure out what is being said here with this many quotes. Can someone summarize?

I think the main take-away is we are all beating a dead horse at this point. oh well...    

Another poster passed this along to me. Just another reminder that we should be skeptical of what is presented. Please note there is a page 2. I almost missed it. It's an old article, but the producer was surprisingly honest in it and I'm sure they have only gotten trickier with their methods.

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grace8136 wrote:Another poster passed this along to me. Just another reminder that we should be skeptical of what is presented. Please note there is a page 2. I almost missed it. It's an old article, but the producer was surprisingly honest in it and I'm sure they have only gotten trickier with their methods.

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Beautiful. Thanks.

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grace8136 wrote:Another poster passed this along to me. Just another reminder that we should be skeptical of what is presented. Please note there is a page 2. I almost missed it. It's an old article, but the producer was surprisingly honest in it and I'm sure they have only gotten trickier with their methods.

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Beautiful.  Thanks.

Page 2 has this nugget:

Ms. Rehn, perhaps having snapped out of ''The Bachelorette'' trance, had a prosaic explanation for why she appeared so enamored of Charlie, the man she rejected for the poetry-writing fireman, Ryan, in the finale. ''They need to make the audience believe it is going to go a certain way,'' she told reporters on Thursday, ''so they can have a shocking ending.''

This is about Trista, but we can change the names. *chuckle chuckle*

Ms. Hartsock, perhaps having snapped out of ''The Bachelorette'' trance, had a prosaic explanation for why she appeared so enamored of Brooks, the man who rejected her and needed "explained" on camera to her chosen, the poetry-writing mortgage broker and ex-baseball player, Chris, in the finale. ''Mister Harrison needed to make the live audience believe it is going to go a certain way and ask every 15 minutes if Brooks will come back since so many viewers have accepted Reality Steve as The Voice,'' she told reporters on Thursday, ''so they can have a 'shocking' ending and have Ryan Seacrest question me relentlessly.''

Changing times call for more desperate measures... as they say.

  Perfect, JBF.

IrishGal wrote:  Perfect, JBF.

Thank you for this JBF!!  

Much easier to stomach the show when you know their tactics and that they will NEVER show the actual love story! So excited to see Juan's season knowing what I know now!