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sfrank wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

Muslady wrote:

Rolly wrote:sfrank, I totally agree.

Brooks was trying to help Des out knowing she would have trouble explaining moving so quickly from "I love you...you are the only one I can say that to... the conflict was when I was on dates, I wanted to be on dates with you....I just wanted to give my heart to you". Look at her face after he says he wasn't "entirely surprised"...I think he was a bit surprised after all she said the last time he saw her. JMO.

If they would have dated for a few months after the show and then gotten engaged it might be believable. She went from declaring her love to Brooks (saying all the things above and more), in fact saying she would accept his proposal to becoming engaged to Chris in less than one (1) week. I don't buy it. Brooks was being kind.

I don't think Brooks is kind.

I am so disappointed in Brooks.  
If Brooks realized how upset Des was during that breakup (since he cared so much for her):bigsigh: , why would he even use her discomfort post-show as a presentation unless he was encouraged with rewards or promised a F4?  It seems all his honesty in the show was a bunch of hogwash.  I don’t know why he didn’t just stick it out to the end and turn her down.  In light of this presentation stuff I think this may have been on the table.  (Speculating)Chris H may have put a damper on that because he liked Des too much to let that happen. I think the words “true and honest” have different meanings to Brooks.  He is not loyal friend; who needs enemies with friends like him.  This edit must really be something.  It is amazing Des was able to make something out of this with Chris, unless he was always F1.  Kudos to them for keeping faith in each other through all the crap they had thrown at them.

Excellent post Muslady.

SFrank.. what if Chris suspected what was going on? He wrote about a concealed truth. Maybe he loved Des enough not to want that ending for her on the show. Maybe he was there to the end, just like he said he would be, no matter how tough the journey ended up being. And in the end, all his confidence was correct. It seems to have worked out. I think the fact that he put his ego or pride aside and hung in there is pretty extraordinary.

I have said over and over that Chris loved Des. That's not in question. The question is did Des love Chris the way she loved Brooks (on the show) and the answer is a resounding NO in my opinion. She had feelings for Chris but not the way she loved Brooks. The girl said she couldn't love Chris (or Drew) the same way. Yes, I think Chris put his pride aside but the question is would he have still proposed if he saw what WE saw. I don't think he understood the depth of Des' feelings for Brooks.

At FRC, she briefly mentioned her feelings for Brooks to Chris but it wasn't nearly enough. If she really wanted to come clean she could have done it off camera when he could ask her questions without the pressure to propose or she could have said let's date first and not accepted his proposal until ATFR.  She was brokenhearted when Brooks left because that was her end game. Period. Chris is a man of integrity and IMO once he proposed he was not going to go back on that even if she finally told him everything (or he saw for himself). Additionally, they have had a few months post-show to cultivate their relationship so all he can do is move forward.

People want to point to Chris' confidence as though that means something. If Brooks had stayed it would not have mattered how much confidence he had. Hell, even Zak was confident! Look at how many "losers" in the shows history were confident. Jolly even said on their podcast that when you are NOT the winner TPTB give you confidence and fill the actual F1 with a lot of doubt. Remember how confident Lindsey was and how terrified Catherine was on FRC? Frankly, I think that also contributed to Brooks leaving and being surprised to hear that Des loved him. I'm sure TPTB let him think that Des had stronger feelings for the others.

soccermom333 wrote:I enjoy this board and this thread and do not think it is sad.  Happy to come here and discuss Chris and Des!  ;)  I have a feeling there will be a lot of discussion of Des and Chris in the coming months!  ;)  

Muslady wrote:

sfrank wrote:

grace8136 wrote:

Muslady wrote:

Rolly wrote:sfrank, I totally agree.

Brooks was trying to help Des out knowing she would have trouble explaining moving so quickly from "I love you...you are the only one I can say that to... the conflict was when I was on dates, I wanted to be on dates with you....I just wanted to give my heart to you". Look at her face after he says he wasn't "entirely surprised"...I think he was a bit surprised after all she said the last time he saw her. JMO.

If they would have dated for a few months after the show and then gotten engaged it might be believable. She went from declaring her love to Brooks (saying all the things above and more), in fact saying she would accept his proposal to becoming engaged to Chris in less than one (1) week. I don't buy it. Brooks was being kind.

I don't think Brooks is kind.

I am so disappointed in Brooks.  
If Brooks realized how upset Des was during that breakup (since he cared so much for her):bigsigh: , why would he even use her discomfort post-show as a presentation unless he was encouraged with rewards or promised a F4?  It seems all his honesty in the show was a bunch of hogwash.  I don’t know why he didn’t just stick it out to the end and turn her down.  In light of this presentation stuff I think this may have been on the table.  (Speculating)Chris H may have put a damper on that because he liked Des too much to let that happen. I think the words “true and honest” have different meanings to Brooks.  He is not loyal friend; who needs enemies with friends like him.  This edit must really be something.  It is amazing Des was able to make something out of this with Chris, unless he was always F1.  Kudos to them for keeping faith in each other through all the crap they had thrown at them.

Excellent post Muslady.

SFrank.. what if Chris suspected what was going on? He wrote about a concealed truth. Maybe he loved Des enough not to want that ending for her on the show. Maybe he was there to the end, just like he said he would be, no matter how tough the journey ended up being. And in the end, all his confidence was correct. It seems to have worked out. I think the fact that he put his ego or pride aside and hung in there is pretty extraordinary.

I have said over and over that Chris loved Des. That's not in question. The question is did Des love Chris the way she loved Brooks (on the show) and the answer is a resounding NO in my opinion. She had feelings for Chris but not the way she loved Brooks. The girl said she couldn't love Chris (or Drew) the same way. Yes, I think Chris put his pride aside but the question is would he have still proposed if he saw what WE saw. I don't think he understood the depth of Des' feelings for Brooks.

At FRC, she briefly mentioned her feelings for Brooks to Chris but it wasn't nearly enough. If she really wanted to come clean she could have done it off camera when he could ask her questions without the pressure to propose or she could have said let's date first and not accepted his proposal until ATFR.  She was brokenhearted when Brooks left because that was her end game. Period. Chris is a man of integrity and IMO once he proposed he was not going to go back on that even if she finally told him everything (or he saw for himself). Additionally, they have had a few months post-show to cultivate their relationship so all he can do is move forward.

She was just as far in her relationship with Chris and Drew as she was with Brooks.  From what we saw on the show she was further with Chris and Drew.  She said all along that she concentrated on each date by itself. I think she did exactly that and went with the flow.  From what we were shown the flow was definitely with Chris.  She was only flirting with Brooks, which is all Brooks ever gave her.  The other was edited words and frustration over the crap she had to deal with.  I think her date with Chris in Germany was game over.:Nod:   When did Chris go home that night?:winkie: 

At FRC I'm sure Chris knew exactly what she was going to say.  He probably told her not to give anyone any ammunition; therefore, the less said the better, which is exactly what happened.  

Mandy61 wrote:Okay, I tried so hard not to come here anymore ...

*snipped*

IMO this board has become a sad place to visit.

brittany44000 wrote:I have a question.... If chris decided to leave at f3 and blindsided her... Do u think she would have fell apart and reacted the same way! I'll answer for myself an say yes!

brittany44000 wrote:I have a question.... If chris decided to leave at f3 and blindsided her... Do u think she would have fell apart and reacted the same way! I'll answer for myself an say yes!

Mustang19 wrote:

brittany44000 wrote:I have a question.... If chris decided to leave at f3 and blindsided her... Do u think she would have fell apart and reacted the same way! I'll answer for myself an say yes!

No, not at all. If roles were reversed and Chris left and Brooks stayed, I'm thinking she would have reacted the same way as when Bryden or James left. Showing a little bit of emotion, but she had her eye on the prize at the end, which was Brooks all along.

ironcat wrote:Frankly, while I understand that fans want to root for and promote their favorites to the bitter end, the reality is that proving whether Brooks or Chris was Des' first choice will not make a bit of difference as far as the future of their relationship, which has obviously progressed far beyond where it was at the time of their premature proposal, as they now clearly look to be as in love as all the other Bachelor couples did, and are also intimate and living together.  And if you look at the pitiable track record of the show, it appears that being "second choice" (and by that I mean someone who the lead didn't fall madly into an infatuation with within the first week) might even increase the odds for longterm success.  After all, Jason and Molly are still going strong, as are Ash and JP, while Brad and Emily lasted for all of a lukewarm minute.

So while "love", "lust" or "infatuation" at first sight is a romantic concept, and certainly a fitting one for this franchise IN THEORY, I think IN PRACTICE, it doesn't work out very well.  Maybe that bodes well for this pairing.

sfrank wrote:

ironcat wrote:Frankly, while I understand that fans want to root for and promote their favorites to the bitter end, the reality is that proving whether Brooks or Chris was Des' first choice will not make a bit of difference as far as the future of their relationship, which has obviously progressed far beyond where it was at the time of their premature proposal, as they now clearly look to be as in love as all the other Bachelor couples did, and are also intimate and living together.  And if you look at the pitiable track record of the show, it appears that being "second choice" (and by that I mean someone who the lead didn't fall madly into an infatuation with within the first week) might even increase the odds for longterm success.  After all, Jason and Molly are still going strong, as are Ash and JP, while Brad and Emily lasted for all of a lukewarm minute.

So while "love", "lust" or "infatuation" at first sight is a romantic concept, and certainly a fitting one for this franchise IN THEORY, I think IN PRACTICE, it doesn't work out very well.  Maybe that bodes well for this pairing.

Ironcat, I don't think JP was ever Ashley's second choice. I think her Bentley reaction was driven by her insecurities with process and people wanting Emily as the Bachelorette. JP was always the one.

I agree with you that Chris seems to be a better match to Des but in fairness we will never know what Brooks and Des would have been like a couple in the real world. There were plenty of us who saw real chemistry between Des and Brooks. I certainly think Des could see a future with him. Brooks obviously could not.

I have reserved anointing Chris and Des the next Jolly until I see if they are together six months from now. My gut tells they will but you never know. From what I see so far they have a good shot of making it.