Re: Brooks Forester - Bachelorette 9 - Fan Thread - Discussion #5

[sfrank]

In Munich when he walked down the ice tunnel and came across her making out and rolling around with James (gross), I thought he was done at some level (on a second viewing).  Go watch that as well.  By Barcelona, Chris intensity is rising, and Brooks is fading (his feelings, not hers).  Who wouldn't be "over it" sitting around talking incessantly about that snippet of conversation Drew and Kasey over-heard in the van or whatever.  I saw Brooks starting to "lose it" -- also, look at how she handled the James thing.  Talk about wishy washy.  I'm not criticizing either of them -- it's just one of the "downs"  I think Brooks experienced in the long long drought between the Hollywood sign date and CLoud 9 in Madeira.   Each of these shows represents about a week of his life
1. Hollywood sign (feels great)
2. Nothing much
3. Dodgeball (broken finger, Chris gets the group date rose -- look at his face then)
4. Munich (Chris/Bryden show -- watches her make out with James)
5. Barcelona -- soccer date, not much time with her 1:1, but tons of gross drama and back and fro about James 



6. Madeira -- trying to regain lost ground, decides to use family visit as a test (the "struggle" is apparent in almost every screen shot if you look)
7.  HTD - freely confesses by the duck pond that he is up and down, and loses "it" when they are apart.  Des warmly embraced and received by family.  But hard questions that hang in the air.
[some internal processing / discussions off camera / decides to get out before the pressure of proposing becomes unbearable]

That's Brooks' journey.  I think he showed a lot of character and self-awareness. And, as an aside, he would never trash Chris or Des, his friends, the way some do for sport.  

People always want to say the producers and editors lie.  And they do in the smaller settings -- to participants playing the "game" of the show, etc., but most of the time the Mega Story Arc for each character tracks their actual emotional journey.  That's what the production assistants are madly logging all day long (who said what on camera, on date, in a group, ITM), and then the story folks make it into an entertainment for us to watch.

 I do think that was a turning point for Brooks. If she was even remotely interested in James, Brooks had to question her romantic tastes since he was sooooo far from James in personality. I think he became less confident in Des at that point, as far as sharing the same ideals in a relationship.

I, too, think the same thing about how seeing James and Des kissing like that in the ice igloo impacted him.  I mentioned it before on the thread, and also had wondered during the actual filming if the James alone time was before or after Brooks' alone time.  I don't think it would make much dfference, but we did see how she pulled Brooks in for a passionate kiss while he was in mid-sentence.  That kiss, along with all of the James drama, and her keeping James around for the RC after they were all certain she would send him home had to be disconcerting and confusing.  

I think.... that Des was so wrapped up n being the "bachelorette" that at the beginning she lost sight of why she was there. I know I'm not the only one who thought that in the beginning of the show she spread herself too thin. I could never tell which guys she really liked because she was making out with all of them. It was hard for me to see much difference between her kisses with Brooks and Bryden in episode 1 and from there she went on to makeout with pretty much everyone else she had a 1 on 1 date with, not to mention several guys back to back on group dates. She was so worried about giving every relationship a chance that the one she clearly wanted from the beginning she let slip away because of it. I remember when Graham told Deanna that he didn't want to be one in a bunch and she was annoyed because it was her time to figure out what she wanted. She pretty much told him that she couldn't do that for him at that time (she was indeed the Bette after all) and again, after his first 1 on 1 date and her refusal to give him special treatment, he began to slip away, and then he left.

If you go back and look at the Bachelor seasons you can see where the Bach gives special treatment to his F1. With Brad and Emily it was the picnic, Ben and Jake both took their F1s to special, secretive spots... Ben even went skinny dipping with his! If Des had it bad for Brooks, she had an odd way of showing him that he was special to her.

Yep that is odd.  Des did take Chris to her room and wrote him poems/did sketches.  Maybe that was a sign that he was the F1 all along.

I disagree. I would point out that there was ample things they didn't show us...the note Des wrote to Brooks of all their special moments was filled with stuff we did not see. I would point them running off together in AC that they didn't show us. Des talked about them passing notes which we never saw. But that aside we only had to watch and see the words coming out of her mouth (not PIs or VOs)

Des wanted Brooks. Told us over (in Germany after 1 on 1 with Chris), and over (in Madeira after 1on1 with Chris), and over plus that she wanted a proposal (after HTD with Chris ) and over (after FDs with Chris). In Antigua she told us and Brooks again and said throughout the process she wants to be with him and didn't want to give her heart to anyone else. There's no mystery here - its there for anyone watching. She was broken when he left. Her own brother is confirming now that she wanted Brooks and "settled" for Chris.

Des is happy with Chris today and im thrilled for her but to say he was F1 from the start is silly, IMO.

[sfrank]

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Oh my god!

[Guest]

We can all die happy now.

Beautiful. And all I can say is armpits!

ErinScouted Instagram:

The one who inspired me from the beginning. @brooksaforester thanks for letting me shoot you today. ;) #model #brooksforester #bachelorette #echomodels #onetowatch

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Seriously. Does he get better looking with each picture or is it just because I miss him? I NEED to see a longer version of this shot and/or the whole photo shoot. Pretty please To someone.

[bamafan]

This guy has it all!!! 

[mprssdbyu]

In Munich when he walked down the ice tunnel and came across her making out and rolling around with James (gross), I thought he was done at some level (on a second viewing).  Go watch that as well.  By Barcelona, Chris intensity is rising, and Brooks is fading (his feelings, not hers).  Who wouldn't be "over it" sitting around talking incessantly about that snippet of conversation Drew and Kasey over-heard in the van or whatever.  I saw Brooks starting to "lose it" -- also, look at how she handled the James thing.  Talk about wishy washy.  I'm not criticizing either of them -- it's just one of the "downs"  I think Brooks experienced in the long long drought between the Hollywood sign date and CLoud 9 in Madeira.   Each of these shows represents about a week of his life
1. Hollywood sign (feels great)
2. Nothing much
3. Dodgeball (broken finger, Chris gets the group date rose -- look at his face then)
4. Munich (Chris/Bryden show -- watches her make out with James)
5. Barcelona -- soccer date, not much time with her 1:1, but tons of gross drama and back and fro about James 



6. Madeira -- trying to regain lost ground, decides to use family visit as a test (the "struggle" is apparent in almost every screen shot if you look)
7.  HTD - freely confesses by the duck pond that he is up and down, and loses "it" when they are apart.  Des warmly embraced and received by family.  But hard questions that hang in the air.
[some internal processing / discussions off camera / decides to get out before the pressure of proposing becomes unbearable]

That's Brooks' journey.  I think he showed a lot of character and self-awareness. And, as an aside, he would never trash Chris or Des, his friends, the way some do for sport.  

People always want to say the producers and editors lie.  And they do in the smaller settings -- to participants playing the "game" of the show, etc., but most of the time the Mega Story Arc for each character tracks their actual emotional journey.  That's what the production assistants are madly logging all day long (who said what on camera, on date, in a group, ITM), and then the story folks make it into an entertainment for us to watch.

 I do think that was a turning point for Brooks. If she was even remotely interested in James, Brooks had to question her romantic tastes since he was sooooo far from James in personality. I think he became less confident in Des at that point, as far as sharing the same ideals in a relationship.

I, too, think the same thing about how seeing James and Des kissing like that in the ice igloo impacted him.  I mentioned it before on the thread, and also had wondered during the actual filming if the James alone time was before or after Brooks' alone time.  I don't think it would make much dfference, but we did see how she pulled Brooks in for a passionate kiss while he was in mid-sentence.  That kiss, along with all of the James drama, and her keeping James around for the RC after they were all certain she would send him home had to be disconcerting and confusing.  

I think.... that Des was so wrapped up n being the "bachelorette" that at the beginning she lost sight of why she was there. I know I'm not the only one who thought that in the beginning of the show she spread herself too thin. I could never tell which guys she really liked because she was making out with all of them. It was hard for me to see much difference between her kisses with Brooks and Bryden in episode 1 and from there she went on to makeout with pretty much everyone else she had a 1 on 1 date with, not to mention several guys back to back on group dates. She was so worried about giving every relationship a chance that the one she clearly wanted from the beginning she let slip away because of it. I remember when Graham told Deanna that he didn't want to be one in a bunch and she was annoyed because it was her time to figure out what she wanted. She pretty much told him that she couldn't do that for him at that time (she was indeed the Bette after all) and again, after his first 1 on 1 date and her refusal to give him special treatment, he began to slip away, and then he left.

If you go back and look at the Bachelor seasons you can see where the Bach gives special treatment to his F1. With Brad and Emily it was the picnic, Ben and Jake both took their F1s to special, secretive spots... Ben even went skinny dipping with his! If Des had it bad for Brooks, she had an odd way of showing him that he was special to her.

Yep that is odd.  Des did take Chris to her room and wrote him poems/did sketches.  Maybe that was a sign that he was the F1 all along.

I disagree. I would point out that there was ample things they didn't show us...the note Des wrote to Brooks of all their special moments was filled with stuff we did not see. I would point them running off together in AC that they didn't show us. Des talked about them passing notes which we never saw. But that aside we only had to watch and see the words coming out of her mouth (not PIs or VOs)

Des wanted brooks. Told us over (Germany after 1 on 1), and over ( Madiera after 1on1 with Chris), and over plus that she wanted a proposal (after HTD with Chris ) and over (FDs to us and Brooks)again. Said didnt want to give her heart to anyone else. She was broken when he left. Her own brother is confirming now that she wanted Brooks and "settled" for Chris.

Des is happy with Chris today and im thrilled for her but to say he was F1 from the start is silly, IMO.

Isn't it funny how the happiest and most in love couples from this show didn't initially get it? Just goes to show, it's the love in the real world that makes it or breaks it. Excluding Ryan(be still my heart), Jolly and Jash would also tell you... the heart will find what it wants and NEEDS. Melissa and Bentley are a lifetime ago. Brooks will join them.

[Guest]

Brooks will join who? Melissa and Bentley. Hardly. Brooks is going places with or without this show.

[mprssdbyu]

Brooks will join who? Melissa and Bentley. Hardly. Brooks is going places with or without this show.

In Dez's heart. He was part of the journey but it stops there.

ETA: I like Brooks. I didn't find him attractive initially... whoever took that Bio pic of him needs to be shot! It was horrific. I like Brook's honesty and his realness. It's hard to find on this dumb show that I like to watch! If he had been
F1, it would have been a disaster for Brooks and Dez. Surely noone would have wanted that for either of them. They both deserve to be happy so hopefully Brooks can find whatever it is he's looking for now. He's a good guy.

[Guest]

Brooks will join who? Melissa and Bentley. Hardly. Brooks is going places with or without this show.

In Dez's heart. He was part of the journey but it stops there.

ETA: I like Brooks. I didn't find him attractive initially... whoever took that Bio pic of him needs to be shot! It was horrific. I like Brook's honesty and his realness. It's hard to find on this dumb show that I like to watch! If he had been
F1, it would have been a disaster for Brooks and Dez. Surely noone would have wanted that for either of them. They both deserve to be happy so hopefully Brooks can find whatever it is he's looking for now. He's a good guy.

I stopped wanting him as part of Des' life after his HTD. I feel for her that he isn't part of her life, at all. Not even as a friend, it seems. Don't know what happened there. I guess it is best. There'd always be that chemistry.

I think that pic of him, I read, was when he was a lot younger. They really should've used one of these last two we've seen. :Drool: 

Of course it would've been a disaster for Brooks and Des if they'd stayed together. That's why I was half-hoping after his HTD that they wouldn't. I just did not feel right about it anymore, or right about supporting them. Brooks had worked so hard to not make a mistake and I didn't want him to at the end. He didn't cave. Though it was hard that he didn't come back, I was impressed.

At the moment I think he's just looking for google glasses.

[atem]

For the billionth time, Brooks dumped Desiree, not the other way around. I could care less if he's still in her heart or not.

[atem]

[quote="relaxing"][quote="Adele1117"]We can all die happy now.

Beautiful. And all I can say is armpits!

ErinScouted Instagram:

The one who inspired me from the beginning. @brooksaforester thanks for letting me shoot you today. ;) #model #brooksforester #bachelorette #echomodels #onetowatch

Seriously.  Does he get better looking with each picture or is it just because I miss him?  I NEED to see a longer version of this shot and/or the whole photo shoot.  Pretty please To someone.

Erin Olson did the photoshoot.  Her twitter is @erinscouted

[mprssdbyu]

For the billionth time, Brooks dumped Desiree, not the other way around.  I could care less if he's still in her heart or not.  

And it appears to be the best thing that could have happened to both of them. Like I said, Jolly and Jash are the real deal but it wasn't easy to get to that happy place.

[Longhornfan]

In Munich when he walked down the ice tunnel and came across her making out and rolling around with James (gross), I thought he was done at some level (on a second viewing).  Go watch that as well.  By Barcelona, Chris intensity is rising, and Brooks is fading (his feelings, not hers).  Who wouldn't be "over it" sitting around talking incessantly about that snippet of conversation Drew and Kasey over-heard in the van or whatever.  I saw Brooks starting to "lose it" -- also, look at how she handled the James thing.  Talk about wishy washy.  I'm not criticizing either of them -- it's just one of the "downs"  I think Brooks experienced in the long long drought between the Hollywood sign date and CLoud 9 in Madeira.   Each of these shows represents about a week of his life
1. Hollywood sign (feels great)
2. Nothing much
3. Dodgeball (broken finger, Chris gets the group date rose -- look at his face then)
4. Munich (Chris/Bryden show -- watches her make out with James)
5. Barcelona -- soccer date, not much time with her 1:1, but tons of gross drama and back and fro about James
6. Madeira -- trying to regain lost ground, decides to use family visit as a test (the "struggle" is apparent in almost every screen shot if you look)
7.  HTD - freely confesses by the duck pond that he is up and down, and loses "it" when they are apart.  Des warmly embraced and received by family.  But hard questions that hang in the air.
[some internal processing / discussions off camera / decides to get out before the pressure of proposing becomes unbearable]

That's Brooks' journey.  I think he showed a lot of character and self-awareness. And, as an aside, he would never trash Chris or Des, his friends, the way some do for sport.  

People always want to say the producers and editors lie.  And they do in the smaller settings -- to participants playing the "game" of the show, etc., but most of the time the Mega Story Arc for each character tracks their actual emotional journey.  That's what the production assistants are madly logging all day long (who said what on camera, on date, in a group, ITM), and then the story folks make it into an entertainment for us to watch.

This makes a whole lot of sense to me, especially with how you were able to tie it together with Brooks' and Des' dates and the overall interaction between them.  Had it not been for the spoilers saying that Brooks was Des' F1, I seriously doubt that I would have ever suspected that to be the case.  Perhaps I would have then paid more attention to Chris' storyline and would have understood the ending a little better.  As it is, I don't think that production did either Des or Chris a favor with the editing.  However, I also did not think that Brooks was ever really in love with Des either, but I do think that he most definitely liked a lot of things about her.  

And I think that Brooks just did not want to hurt Des, which was made that much harder after Bryden left on his own, and the Brian gf and James drama and all of the others who were accused of not being there for the right reasons.  Des' season seemed to be full of guys who came on the show with an agenda of their own, and all that drama with the guys (some for leaving, some for lying, etc) affected Des' self confidence.  So, I thought that all of that drama, in addition to the timing of the onscreen breakup with Des, made it that much harder for Brooks to tell Des that he wanted to leave, especially AFTER she told him that she loved him.  As Brooks has stated many times after the show, he never once waivered in his decision to leave the show and firmly believes that it was the right thing to do, for him and for her.

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