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Re: Chris Siegfried -Bachelorette Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #8
by rc49ers Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:58 pm
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Material for 'Bachelorette' Desiree Hartsock
.By Tina Molly Lang | Yahoo! Contributor Network – Tue, Jul 30, 2013 12:26 PM EDT..
For once, Chris Harrison actually came through when he promised the "most dramatic finale yet."
This week, "Bachelorette" Desiree Hartsock took the final 3 men on overnight dates in Antigua. Unfortunately, her Fantasy Suite date with Brooks turned into a reality TV nightmare.
Why is it that the contestants from Salt Lake City (Bentley Williams, Brooks Forester, and Michelle Money) always seem to cause so much trouble? Meanwhile, the contestants from Seattle always seem to be the safe-choice runner-ups? (Chris Siegfried, Jason Mesnick, and Lindzi Cox).
Drew Wants To Have "Good Mornings"
Desiree's date with Drew began when he pranced over to her in Betty's Hope. I always laugh every time she and Drew kiss. The way he tries to force physical passion, combined with her heavy kissing style really seems contrived.
In any case, Des and Drew spent the day mingling with the locals at Shirley Heights. Later, after the rain washed out their beach side dinner, they decided to seek shelter in the Fantasy Suite. As they sipped champagne and ate cake on a rose-petaled bed, Des talked about how Drew makes her feel "like a princess."
Drew talked about how he was ready to get down on one knee right away, and how he looked forward to their time in the Fantasy Suite. He talked about how he wanted to have "good mornings" with her as well as "good nights."
In his best manly voice, Drew politely shooed the camera crew away, telling them, "all right, guys, time to leave."
Brooks Can't Cross That Bridge
Brooks was having doubts about his feelings for Desiree. Seeing him walking to the middle of a bridge before stopping was quite symbolic of his feelings. He just couldn't take that next step from "like" to "love."
A conversation with his mother and sister helped him to realize that he needed to break up with Des. If he wasn't feeling it, then she deserved to know the truth.
Chris S. Is "Falling Forward"
Meanwhile, Des and Chris S. spent a romantic date in Barbuda Island. Des loved how "supportive" he's been all season, and pointed out that even on group dates, he always found a way to connect with her.
After a toast to "falling forward," Chris initiated a conversation about "The Future." He talked about there were "opportunities" to raise a family in Seattle, and asked if she would be ready to move.
Although she considered LA her home, she was also willing to make "sacrifices" for love. Why does the woman always have to move to be with the man? To his credit though, he did point out that love was a two-way street, and that there would be compromises on both sides.
After yet another round of poetry, Matt White sang them out, as they made their way to the Fantasy Suite.
Harrison Plays Psychologist
Later, Chris Harrison paid a visit to Brooks. After Brooks discussed some of his concerns, Harrison played armchair psychologist, asking him if he was ready to fall in love at all. He even asked if his parents' divorce had prompted his inability to commit.
Really? Guys are not afraid to commit. If they're truly into you, then they're not going to let their parents' divorce or other issues get in the way.
I have to give Brooks a bit of credit. Instead of hiding behind "issues" or "fear of commitment," he was honest enough to admit that he wasn't in love with Des, and that she wasn't the one. We can't fault him for that.
He's Just Not That Into You
Brooks seemed to have the right intentions. He wanted to break it off in order to protect her from getting hurt later on. But he did fumble in his execution of the breakup.
There are two things that I've learned about how to handle breakups: don't ask or try to over-explain, and don't try to be the one to comfort the dumpee.
Every time Brooks tried to explain himself, he only ended up talking in circles. Breakups are difficult enough. Why prolong the process? What he should have done was simply explained that while he cared about her, he wasn't in love with her. Then, he should have wished her the best, and walked away.
It really sends a mixed message when the dumper tries to comfort the dumpee. She just got dumped on national television by a guy she's been in love with from the beginning. And he still has to ask, "why are you crying?" I'm wondering if all that hair product has affected his cognitive faculties.
As for Des, Ashley Spivey said it best when she tweeted, "Girl you need to learn the @AliFedotowsky - pretty cry and WALK AWAY. #bachelorette"
Is There a "Finish Line" In Sight for Desiree?
If Desiree ends up with Brooks next week, then I will be very disappointed.
To take him back after he spent 40 minutes explaining how he didn't love her would show a lack of self-respect. Where's Nate Hartsock when you need him?
Even if Brooks has a change of heart and returns next week, there is no guarantee that he won't bail again. If he's not feeling it now, then no amount of time is going to change that. If Brooks proposes to her, it will be out guilt, fear, obligation, or possible producer manipulation.
From his mannerisms, to his mumbling voice, Brooks has always come across as a bit of a wimp. Seeing him cry like a baby over a broken finger earlier this season makes me wonder how he would handle other challenging life situations, especially if his mother and sister aren't around to fend for him.
Brooks is not "finish line" material, at least not for Des.
(Potential spoiler)
Unfortunately, it
Spoiler
looks like Desiree will probably take him back next week. Even after last night's episode, spoiler king Reality Steve is still convinced that Des is engaged to Brooks. After crying about how she only loved Brooks and how she didn't want to "share her heart," how could she possibly be in the position to give Chris or Drew a chance?
Also, although we saw Brooks step into the exit limo, we never actually saw the limo drive away.
In any case, I will be very interested to see what happens next week, in part 2 of the "most dramatic finale in history."
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Material for 'Bachelorette' Desiree Hartsock
.By Tina Molly Lang | Yahoo! Contributor Network – Tue, Jul 30, 2013 12:26 PM EDT..
For once, Chris Harrison actually came through when he promised the "most dramatic finale yet."
This week, "Bachelorette" Desiree Hartsock took the final 3 men on overnight dates in Antigua. Unfortunately, her Fantasy Suite date with Brooks turned into a reality TV nightmare.
Why is it that the contestants from Salt Lake City (Bentley Williams, Brooks Forester, and Michelle Money) always seem to cause so much trouble? Meanwhile, the contestants from Seattle always seem to be the safe-choice runner-ups? (Chris Siegfried, Jason Mesnick, and Lindzi Cox).
Drew Wants To Have "Good Mornings"
Desiree's date with Drew began when he pranced over to her in Betty's Hope. I always laugh every time she and Drew kiss. The way he tries to force physical passion, combined with her heavy kissing style really seems contrived.
In any case, Des and Drew spent the day mingling with the locals at Shirley Heights. Later, after the rain washed out their beach side dinner, they decided to seek shelter in the Fantasy Suite. As they sipped champagne and ate cake on a rose-petaled bed, Des talked about how Drew makes her feel "like a princess."
Drew talked about how he was ready to get down on one knee right away, and how he looked forward to their time in the Fantasy Suite. He talked about how he wanted to have "good mornings" with her as well as "good nights."
In his best manly voice, Drew politely shooed the camera crew away, telling them, "all right, guys, time to leave."
Brooks Can't Cross That Bridge
Brooks was having doubts about his feelings for Desiree. Seeing him walking to the middle of a bridge before stopping was quite symbolic of his feelings. He just couldn't take that next step from "like" to "love."
A conversation with his mother and sister helped him to realize that he needed to break up with Des. If he wasn't feeling it, then she deserved to know the truth.
Chris S. Is "Falling Forward"
Meanwhile, Des and Chris S. spent a romantic date in Barbuda Island. Des loved how "supportive" he's been all season, and pointed out that even on group dates, he always found a way to connect with her.
After a toast to "falling forward," Chris initiated a conversation about "The Future." He talked about there were "opportunities" to raise a family in Seattle, and asked if she would be ready to move.
Although she considered LA her home, she was also willing to make "sacrifices" for love. Why does the woman always have to move to be with the man? To his credit though, he did point out that love was a two-way street, and that there would be compromises on both sides.
After yet another round of poetry, Matt White sang them out, as they made their way to the Fantasy Suite.
Harrison Plays Psychologist
Later, Chris Harrison paid a visit to Brooks. After Brooks discussed some of his concerns, Harrison played armchair psychologist, asking him if he was ready to fall in love at all. He even asked if his parents' divorce had prompted his inability to commit.
Really? Guys are not afraid to commit. If they're truly into you, then they're not going to let their parents' divorce or other issues get in the way.
I have to give Brooks a bit of credit. Instead of hiding behind "issues" or "fear of commitment," he was honest enough to admit that he wasn't in love with Des, and that she wasn't the one. We can't fault him for that.
He's Just Not That Into You
Brooks seemed to have the right intentions. He wanted to break it off in order to protect her from getting hurt later on. But he did fumble in his execution of the breakup.
There are two things that I've learned about how to handle breakups: don't ask or try to over-explain, and don't try to be the one to comfort the dumpee.
Every time Brooks tried to explain himself, he only ended up talking in circles. Breakups are difficult enough. Why prolong the process? What he should have done was simply explained that while he cared about her, he wasn't in love with her. Then, he should have wished her the best, and walked away.
It really sends a mixed message when the dumper tries to comfort the dumpee. She just got dumped on national television by a guy she's been in love with from the beginning. And he still has to ask, "why are you crying?" I'm wondering if all that hair product has affected his cognitive faculties.
As for Des, Ashley Spivey said it best when she tweeted, "Girl you need to learn the @AliFedotowsky - pretty cry and WALK AWAY. #bachelorette"
Is There a "Finish Line" In Sight for Desiree?
If Desiree ends up with Brooks next week, then I will be very disappointed.
To take him back after he spent 40 minutes explaining how he didn't love her would show a lack of self-respect. Where's Nate Hartsock when you need him?
Even if Brooks has a change of heart and returns next week, there is no guarantee that he won't bail again. If he's not feeling it now, then no amount of time is going to change that. If Brooks proposes to her, it will be out guilt, fear, obligation, or possible producer manipulation.
From his mannerisms, to his mumbling voice, Brooks has always come across as a bit of a wimp. Seeing him cry like a baby over a broken finger earlier this season makes me wonder how he would handle other challenging life situations, especially if his mother and sister aren't around to fend for him.
Brooks is not "finish line" material, at least not for Des.
(Potential spoiler)
Unfortunately, it
Spoiler
looks like Desiree will probably take him back next week. Even after last night's episode, spoiler king Reality Steve is still convinced that Des is engaged to Brooks. After crying about how she only loved Brooks and how she didn't want to "share her heart," how could she possibly be in the position to give Chris or Drew a chance?
Also, although we saw Brooks step into the exit limo, we never actually saw the limo drive away.
In any case, I will be very interested to see what happens next week, in part 2 of the "most dramatic finale in history."
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Re: Chris Siegfried -Bachelorette Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #8
by latergator Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:59 pm
grace8136 wrote:So what's up with Nate then?
Maybe he didn't know the outcome?
I don't see this going down well for Des. Brooks said too much to overcome in 5 days. It will take people awhile of seeing them happy to forget all the stuff he said.
Brooks didn't have that much to overcome really... he was totally in love with her, but just couldn't make it connect to how he thought it should be. go back and watch it all again, this time with closed caption on and see what was really said. the wall on his protected heart began to crack with her first "I love you. I really do" and then when they were still on the bench she began to break it open with, "you broke my heart. but I still love you" then "I don't care what you say, I love you"
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Re: Chris Siegfried -Bachelorette Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #8
by SLA44 Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:11 pm
RS said that Chris did propose to her and that she accepted Brooks proposal and they are still together now.
On GMA this morning they compared the Brooks break-up to Jason breaking up with Melissa on the AFTR saying they were both blindsides. So that is evidently where the Mesdick (SP?) comparison has come from. Melissa was also shown saying that she most definitely thinks that Brooks comes back and that people break up and then get back together. She had broken up with her now husband before she went on Jason's season and they got back together after his season and not they are married. So with all this being said it looks like Chris may being set up for the next bachelor. Not sure if that is a good thing or not I still think he is too good for this franchise but I want what will make him happy to happen for him.
On GMA this morning they compared the Brooks break-up to Jason breaking up with Melissa on the AFTR saying they were both blindsides. So that is evidently where the Mesdick (SP?) comparison has come from. Melissa was also shown saying that she most definitely thinks that Brooks comes back and that people break up and then get back together. She had broken up with her now husband before she went on Jason's season and they got back together after his season and not they are married. So with all this being said it looks like Chris may being set up for the next bachelor. Not sure if that is a good thing or not I still think he is too good for this franchise but I want what will make him happy to happen for him.
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Re: Chris Siegfried -Bachelorette Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #8
by Guest Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:12 pm
latergator wrote:grace8136 wrote:So what's up with Nate then?
Maybe he didn't know the outcome?
I don't see this going down well for Des. Brooks said too much to overcome in 5 days. It will take people awhile of seeing them happy to forget all the stuff he said.
Brooks didn't have that much to overcome really... he was totally in love with her, but just couldn't make it connect to how he thought it should be. go back and watch it all again, this time with closed caption on and see what was really said. the wall on his protected heart began to crack with her first "I love you. I really do" and then when they were still on the bench she began to break it open with, "you broke my heart. but I still love you" then "I don't care what you say, I love you"
I'm happy for you that Brooks is F1, but let's not sugar coat what he said the CH. He was quite clear. I still believed the spoilers were probably right until that talk. He said he could never see himself falling in love with her and he didn't even need the extra time on the FD to think about it further. I'm sure he will come up with some psycho babble to explain that away, but you should expect some people to be disturbed by it.
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Re: Chris Siegfried -Bachelorette Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #8
by albean99 Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:22 pm
grace8136 wrote:latergator wrote:grace8136 wrote:So what's up with Nate then?
Maybe he didn't know the outcome?
I don't see this going down well for Des. Brooks said too much to overcome in 5 days. It will take people awhile of seeing them happy to forget all the stuff he said.
Brooks didn't have that much to overcome really... he was totally in love with her, but just couldn't make it connect to how he thought it should be. go back and watch it all again, this time with closed caption on and see what was really said. the wall on his protected heart began to crack with her first "I love you. I really do" and then when they were still on the bench she began to break it open with, "you broke my heart. but I still love you" then "I don't care what you say, I love you"
I'm happy for you that Brooks is F1, but let's not sugar coat what he said the CH. He was quite clear. I still believed the spoilers were probably right until that talk. He said he could never see himself falling in love with her and he didn't even need the extra time on the FD to think about it further. I'm sure he will come up with some psycho babble to explain that away, but you should expect some people to be disturbed by it.
ITA, Grace. I don't know how anyone can get that Brooks was "totally in love" with Des when he said he wasn't in love with her. To me it's making assumptions after the fact - i.e. they're engaged (based on spoiler) therefore they must be in love. I think one of them is the but other is questionable.
I'm okay if Chris is the Bachelor. I had wanted Drew or JP but Chris seems serious about finding someone. Not sure this is the best avenue though.
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Re: Chris Siegfried -Bachelorette Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #8
by reb Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:11 pm
SLA44 wrote:RS said that Chris did propose to her and that she accepted Brooks proposal and they are still together now.
On GMA this morning they compared the Brooks break-up to Jason breaking up with Melissa on the AFTR saying they were both blindsides. So that is evidently where the Mesdick (SP?) comparison has come from. Melissa was also shown saying that she most definitely thinks that Brooks comes back and that people break up and then get back together. She had broken up with her now husband before she went on Jason's season and they got back together after his season and not they are married. So with all this being said it looks like Chris may being set up for the next bachelor. Not sure if that is a good thing or not I still think he is too good for this franchise but I want what will make him happy to happen for him.
If RS is right that Chris did propose I will lose any respect I had for Desiray (If I did have any in the first place?!). How could she let Chris propose to her when she knew from a very early stage that Brooks was the one she loved?
I know it is all about the production and getting as many viewer as possible but common, like Brooks said; Des can say whatever she wants to say (and she can do whatever she wants to do!!)
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Re: Chris Siegfried -Bachelorette Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #8
by SLA44 Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:23 pm
reb wrote:SLA44 wrote:RS said that Chris did propose to her and that she accepted Brooks proposal and they are still together now.
On GMA this morning they compared the Brooks break-up to Jason breaking up with Melissa on the AFTR saying they were both blindsides. So that is evidently where the Mesdick (SP?) comparison has come from. Melissa was also shown saying that she most definitely thinks that Brooks comes back and that people break up and then get back together. She had broken up with her now husband before she went on Jason's season and they got back together after his season and not they are married. So with all this being said it looks like Chris may being set up for the next bachelor. Not sure if that is a good thing or not I still think he is too good for this franchise but I want what will make him happy to happen for him.
If RS is right that Chris did propose I will lose any respect I had for Desiray (If I did have any in the first place?!). How could she let Chris propose to her when she knew from a very early stage that Brooks was the one she loved?
I know it is all about the production and getting as many viewer as possible but common, like Brooks said; Des can say whatever she wants to say (and she can do whatever she wants to do!!)
I totally agree with you reb and since I had minimal if any respect for her in the beginning I have none now especially after what she spewed out this last Monday night about only wanting to be with Brooks and showing no respect to Chris or Drew whatsoever. IMO Des and Brooks belong together and Chris deserves someone who appreciates what a fine man he is. Chris is too good for her and no I don't believe she needed to let Chris propose when she knew she wasn't going to accept it - that's just cruel and pouring salt in the wounds if you ask me.
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Re: Chris Siegfried -Bachelorette Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #8
by Baseball Mom Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:32 pm
SLA44 wrote:reb wrote:SLA44 wrote:RS said that Chris did propose to her and that she accepted Brooks proposal and they are still together now.
On GMA this morning they compared the Brooks break-up to Jason breaking up with Melissa on the AFTR saying they were both blindsides. So that is evidently where the Mesdick (SP?) comparison has come from. Melissa was also shown saying that she most definitely thinks that Brooks comes back and that people break up and then get back together. She had broken up with her now husband before she went on Jason's season and they got back together after his season and not they are married. So with all this being said it looks like Chris may being set up for the next bachelor. Not sure if that is a good thing or not I still think he is too good for this franchise but I want what will make him happy to happen for him.
If RS is right that Chris did propose I will lose any respect I had for Desiray (If I did have any in the first place?!). How could she let Chris propose to her when she knew from a very early stage that Brooks was the one she loved?
I know it is all about the production and getting as many viewer as possible but common, like Brooks said; Des can say whatever she wants to say (and she can do whatever she wants to do!!)
I totally agree with you reb and since I had minimal if any respect for her in the beginning I have none now especially after what she spewed out this last Monday night about only wanting to be with Brooks and showing no respect to Chris or Drew whatsoever. IMO Des and Brooks belong together and Chris deserves someone who appreciates what a fine man he is. Chris is too good for her and no I don't believe she needed to let Chris propose when she knew she wasn't going to accept it - that's just cruel and pouring salt in the wounds if you ask me.
Agree with both of you 100%....I don't really care that she chose Brooks. It's her life.... but have some compassion for the 2 guys that have stuck with you all along, specially Chris. Allow them to have a dignified exit !!!
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Re: Chris Siegfried -Bachelorette Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #8
by Tiggerlgh Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:01 pm
Chris and Drew both deserve better. No doubt about that.
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Re: Chris Siegfried -Bachelorette Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #8
by reb Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:23 pm
Baseball Mom wrote:SLA44 wrote:reb wrote:SLA44 wrote:RS said that Chris did propose to her and that she accepted Brooks proposal and they are still together now.
On GMA this morning they compared the Brooks break-up to Jason breaking up with Melissa on the AFTR saying they were both blindsides. So that is evidently where the Mesdick (SP?) comparison has come from. Melissa was also shown saying that she most definitely thinks that Brooks comes back and that people break up and then get back together. She had broken up with her now husband before she went on Jason's season and they got back together after his season and not they are married. So with all this being said it looks like Chris may being set up for the next bachelor. Not sure if that is a good thing or not I still think he is too good for this franchise but I want what will make him happy to happen for him.
If RS is right that Chris did propose I will lose any respect I had for Desiray (If I did have any in the first place?!). How could she let Chris propose to her when she knew from a very early stage that Brooks was the one she loved?
I know it is all about the production and getting as many viewer as possible but common, like Brooks said; Des can say whatever she wants to say (and she can do whatever she wants to do!!)
I totally agree with you reb and since I had minimal if any respect for her in the beginning I have none now especially after what she spewed out this last Monday night about only wanting to be with Brooks and showing no respect to Chris or Drew whatsoever. IMO Des and Brooks belong together and Chris deserves someone who appreciates what a fine man he is. Chris is too good for her and no I don't believe she needed to let Chris propose when she knew she wasn't going to accept it - that's just cruel and pouring salt in the wounds if you ask me.
Agree with both of you 100%....I don't really care that she chose Brooks. It's her life.... but have some compassion for the 2 guys that have stuck with you all along, specially Chris. Allow them to have a dignified exit !!!
Like you I do not care if Des ends up with Brooks - if they are happy good for them! I only worry about Chris (and Drew). IF Chris did propose and was turned down, imagen watching the last episode hearing Des say that she loves Brooks and only Brooks. And even worse- if the spoilers are wrong and Chris is F1 - surely hearing that would break his heart...
Both Drew and Chris are really good guys and should be treated with the respect they deserve
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Re: Chris Siegfried -Bachelorette Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #8
by Di_ATL Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:24 pm
What constitues they deserve better????
Up until that last 24 hours, many thought Chris was f1( safe house assumed pic) and were excited that the Brooks spoiler was wrong.
Stating such things as she final realized Chris was a better man, the perfect guy, romantic, passionate, would treat her right etc...like Brooks couldn't have been any of those things to her.
NOW today more ppl are confirming it was Brooks or NO one. All of a sudden, Chris deserves better, Drew deserves better...One thing i think we can all agree on is that all three fell deeply for DES! With that being said she must have all the qualities each of the guys wants in a life long partner/wife
so she can't be all that bad.She chose to go with her hearts desire, now she is being said to be his not so good person. :shock: doesnt make since.
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Re: Chris Siegfried -Bachelorette Contestant - Spoilers - Thread #8
by california90 Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:36 pm
murasaki1393 wrote:california90 wrote:I can't wait until this show is over so Chris and Drew can come out of hiding and talk to fans and make our days so much brighter. Lol.
LOL..you are so spot on, california..here is a goodie bag for ya...LOL...:toofunny:
LOL.. its all I care about!! These guys have been a blast to chat with on twitter and it would only be better if both Chris and Drew joined in on the fun
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