Re: Episode 11 (Finale Part 2) - 8/05 - Bachelorette 9 - Thread #1

[Kashathediva]

Do you think it's a possibility that he doesn't leave the island and the 'dates' they talk about are not really dates but meetings w/ her and the other guys to let them down?   She's all ready to leave alone and then Brooks comes along.....maybe they get to spend time together to see where it could go w/o Drew/Chris around.....hence the few days between.....

I just find it strange that if he really doesn't love her then why in the world did he get so emotional.....that to me is strange.

They clearly show Des and Chris have a wonderful time with stingrays. No matter how you look at that--it's a date. I'm sure she talks to both remaining Chris and Drew and tells them what happened with Brooks. You can see the discussion with Drew in the promos. Both Chris and Drew do have LCD's, however, as the promos show it.
Why did Brooks get emotional? Because breaking up with someone is difficult under any circumstances and with cameras rolling to show the whole world how you handle it, what you say and do, that makes it harder. The whole world will scrutinize your every move or lack of.
Because he got emotional does mean anything more than he was human--think how badly it would look if he had refused to meet her, or merely said what he said and walked away?? He says himself he cares about her, but there is a huge stretch between caring about someone and wanting to propose and marry them and his gut was telling him he was willing to do whatever he needed to in order to get out of the that final positioning. He had multiple opportunities to continue with the process. He chose to follow through and stick to his original guns. Too bad he didn't stick to them after the cameras rolled and he went back to his rooms under the care of his handler.

[nutty1]

Do you think it's a possibility that he doesn't leave the island and the 'dates' they talk about are not really dates but meetings w/ her and the other guys to let them down?   She's all ready to leave alone and then Brooks comes along.....maybe they get to spend time together to see where it could go w/o Drew/Chris around.....hence the few days between.....

I just find it strange that if he really doesn't love her then why in the world did he get so emotional.....that to me is strange.

They clearly show Des and Chris have a wonderful time with stingrays. No matter how you look at that--it's a date. I'm sure she talks to both remaining Chris and Drew and tells them what happened with Brooks. You can see the discussion with Drew in the promos. Both Chris and Drew do have LCD's, however, as the promos show it.
Why did Brooks get emotional? Because breaking up with someone is difficult under any circumstances and with cameras rolling to show the whole world how you handle it, what you say and do, that makes it harder. The whole world will scrutinize your every move or lack of.
Because he got emotional does mean anything more than he was human--think how badly it would look if he had refused to meet her, or merely said what he said and walked away?? He says himself he cares about her, but there is a huge stretch between caring about someone and wanting to propose and marry them and his gut was telling him he was willing to do whatever he needed to in order to get out of the that final positioning. He had multiple opportunities to continue with the process. He chose to follow through and stick to his original guns. Too bad he didn't stick to them after the cameras rolled and he went back to his rooms under the care of his handler.

Do you think they convinced him to go back and propose?? (if that's what happened)

[skitts]

Do you think it's a possibility that he doesn't leave the island and the 'dates' they talk about are not really dates but meetings w/ her and the other guys to let them down?   She's all ready to leave alone and then Brooks comes along.....maybe they get to spend time together to see where it could go w/o Drew/Chris around.....hence the few days between.....

I just find it strange that if he really doesn't love her then why in the world did he get so emotional.....that to me is strange.

They clearly show Des and Chris have a wonderful time with stingrays. No matter how you look at that--it's a date. I'm sure she talks to both remaining Chris and Drew and tells them what happened with Brooks. You can see the discussion with Drew in the promos. Both Chris and Drew do have LCD's, however, as the promos show it.
Why did Brooks get emotional? Because breaking up with someone is difficult under any circumstances and with cameras rolling to show the whole world how you handle it, what you say and do, that makes it harder. The whole world will scrutinize your every move or lack of.
Because he got emotional does mean anything more than he was human--think how badly it would look if he had refused to meet her, or merely said what he said and walked away?? He says himself he cares about her, but there is a huge stretch between caring about someone and wanting to propose and marry them and his gut was telling him he was willing to do whatever he needed to in order to get out of the that final positioning. He had multiple opportunities to continue with the process. He chose to follow through and stick to his original guns. Too bad he didn't stick to them after the cameras rolled and he went back to his rooms under the care of his handler.

^^^Good post Kasha...will be interesting to see the state of their relationship present day.

[Guest]

I wonder if RS is trying to figure out how he messed up so badly.

[Kashathediva]

Do you think it's a possibility that he doesn't leave the island and the 'dates' they talk about are not really dates but meetings w/ her and the other guys to let them down?   She's all ready to leave alone and then Brooks comes along.....maybe they get to spend time together to see where it could go w/o Drew/Chris around.....hence the few days between.....

I just find it strange that if he really doesn't love her then why in the world did he get so emotional.....that to me is strange.

They clearly show Des and Chris have a wonderful time with stingrays. No matter how you look at that--it's a date. I'm sure she talks to both remaining Chris and Drew and tells them what happened with Brooks. You can see the discussion with Drew in the promos. Both Chris and Drew do have LCD's, however, as the promos show it.
Why did Brooks get emotional? Because breaking up with someone is difficult under any circumstances and with cameras rolling to show the whole world how you handle it, what you say and do, that makes it harder. The whole world will scrutinize your every move or lack of.
Because he got emotional does mean anything more than he was human--think how badly it would look if he had refused to meet her, or merely said what he said and walked away?? He says himself he cares about her, but there is a huge stretch between caring about someone and wanting to propose and marry them and his gut was telling him he was willing to do whatever he needed to in order to get out of the that final positioning. He had multiple opportunities to continue with the process. He chose to follow through and stick to his original guns. Too bad he didn't stick to them after the cameras rolled and he went back to his rooms under the care of his handler.

Do you think they convinced him to go back and propose?? (if that's what happened)

I am not trying to be disrespectful or snarky to you, so please do not take me personally.
Now on to your question:
I do not think whoever his handler water boarded him. They did not strap him down and stick bamboo shoots under his fingernails. He was not put into the deprivation room nor in that overly obnoxious fantasy suite that Drew and Des shared.
They are subtle. They empathized with him. I think they played on his vulnerabilities and I am not privy to what they might be. They emphasized it was always him. Pointed out what he passed up by breaking up with Des etc.
Brooks by his own repeated admission, says he has deep feelings for Des. But as much as he had feelings for her, he stuck with the more difficult route by addressing his feelings while hurting her and walking away. He was true to both of them when he walked away.
Once he walks away and is on his own with his handler and crew--it's like slow water torture emotionally if they want him to do something. Earlier cast called it the hamburger theory. It's hard to say: I really don't want that hamburger, I am more in the mood for a salad.

[Tiggerlgh]

I cannot even read through any more posts. This show has provided me with a major headache today.

All I will say is it is going to be tough enough to convince anyone that Brooks had a change of heart, but impossible to convince people that she all of a sudden fell in love with Chris.

I agree with this. For Chris' sake I hope he isn't the F1 as he deserves more.

[Guest]

For what it's worth

Reality Steve usually does a great job with spoilers for the reality show "The Bachelorette." This season he has said he knows who wins all along and stands by it. Steve spoiled the show before it even started airing on ABC.
Now Desiree Hartsock's brother Nate is saying that Steve is wrong. He sent out some private messages on Twitter that someone decided to send on to Steve and share. It is unknown who he was talking to on the social network about it all.
In these messages, Nate says that he knows who wins the show and that he can't say who it is, but that Reality Steve is wrong on the ending. It would be shocking to hear that Steve didn't get it right considering his track record with the show.
Reality Steve has said from the start that Brooks Forester is the one who wins in the end. He even says that the two are already engaged and are still going strong.
Right now Desiree Hartsock is down to only three men to choose from in the end. She could pick Chris Siegfried, Brooks Forester, or Drew Kenney.

[nutty1]

Do you think it's a possibility that he doesn't leave the island and the 'dates' they talk about are not really dates but meetings w/ her and the other guys to let them down?   She's all ready to leave alone and then Brooks comes along.....maybe they get to spend time together to see where it could go w/o Drew/Chris around.....hence the few days between.....

I just find it strange that if he really doesn't love her then why in the world did he get so emotional.....that to me is strange.

They clearly show Des and Chris have a wonderful time with stingrays. No matter how you look at that--it's a date. I'm sure she talks to both remaining Chris and Drew and tells them what happened with Brooks. You can see the discussion with Drew in the promos. Both Chris and Drew do have LCD's, however, as the promos show it.
Why did Brooks get emotional? Because breaking up with someone is difficult under any circumstances and with cameras rolling to show the whole world how you handle it, what you say and do, that makes it harder. The whole world will scrutinize your every move or lack of.
Because he got emotional does mean anything more than he was human--think how badly it would look if he had refused to meet her, or merely said what he said and walked away?? He says himself he cares about her, but there is a huge stretch between caring about someone and wanting to propose and marry them and his gut was telling him he was willing to do whatever he needed to in order to get out of the that final positioning. He had multiple opportunities to continue with the process. He chose to follow through and stick to his original guns. Too bad he didn't stick to them after the cameras rolled and he went back to his rooms under the care of his handler.

Do you think they convinced him to go back and propose?? (if that's what happened)

I am not trying to be disrespectful or snarky to you, so please do not take me personally.
Now on to your question:
I do not think whoever his handler water boarded him. They did not strap him down and stick bamboo shoots under his fingernails. He was not put into the deprivation room nor in that overly obnoxious fantasy suite that Drew and Des shared.
They are subtle. They empathized with him. I think they played on his vulnerabilities and I am not privy to what they might be. They emphasized it was always him. Pointed out what he passed up by breaking up with Des etc.
Brooks by his own repeated admission, says he has deep feelings for Des. But as much as he had feelings for her, he stuck with the more difficult route by addressing his feelings while hurting her and walking away. He was true to both of them when he walked away.
Once he walks away and is on his own with his handler and crew--it's like slow water torture emotionally if they want him to do something. Earlier cast called it the hamburger theory. It's hard to say: I really don't want that hamburger, I am more in the mood for a salad.

I totally agree. And it is why I have had this nagging feeling, that though the spoilers were right, and Brooks and Des got engaged, they aren't happy today. I have been thinking that for the past few weeks.

[Guest]

For what it's worth

Reality Steve usually does a great job with spoilers for the reality show "The Bachelorette." This season he has said he knows who wins all along and stands by it. Steve spoiled the show before it even started airing on ABC.
Now Desiree Hartsock's brother Nate is saying that Steve is wrong. He sent out some private messages on Twitter that someone decided to send on to Steve and share. It is unknown who he was talking to on the social network about it all.
In these messages, Nate says that he knows who wins the show and that he can't say who it is, but that Reality Steve is wrong on the ending. It would be shocking to hear that Steve didn't get it right considering his track record with the show.
Reality Steve has said from the start that Brooks Forester is the one who wins in the end. He even says that the two are already engaged and are still going strong.
Right now Desiree Hartsock is down to only three men to choose from in the end. She could pick Chris Siegfried, Brooks Forester, or Drew Kenney.

He never said he's wrong on the ending. He just said he's wrong. He didn't say what he was wrong about. Just making that crystal clear.

[nannymargie]

I wonder if RS is trying to figure out how he messed up so badly.

Who said RS messed up? Still have next week to go to find out how it really ends.

[Guest]

I wonder if RS is trying to figure out how he messed up so badly.

Who said RS messed up?  Still have next week to go to find out how it really ends.

 

[atem]

It's going to be a long day just waiting for that press release.

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