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Post by Aunties_Love Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:58 am

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freelancergirl wrote:I mentioned this in the screencaps thread, but given that there appears to be evidence of a 3-2 rose ceremony, I think the caps of Des and Drew on the beach (that some think are his LCD) are him returning the next day looking for closure. There is no evidence of a "picnic," just that they are sitting on what might be a beach futon at the resort. Once I think of the caps in this manner, everything else makes sense. The editors have tried to pull off a masterful dupe.
I don't understand what you mean by looking for closure.  They did a picnic overlooking the scenery.  That is the picnic that people are talking about.  Then in different clothes, they go for a horseback ride. then in different clothes again, they are seen during the evening portion of the what is presumed to be the FD.  Bottom line, there are too many sc's of different clothes/earings/hairstyles just to fit all in on a FD.

so with Drew, we have them dressed in one set of "day clothing" being the picnic.  Then in another completely different set and hairstyle of day clothing while on the beach, plus horseback riding, plus the night portion.  All of that is way too much to fit all in one day, therefore 2 different days and dates.

I'm referring to the scene on the beach in which she (IMO) explains why he is leaving. That's not part of a "date." That's the day after the 3-2. (IMO.)
So are you assuming Brooks hasn't left or has already come back?  I didn't take it that way at all.  So, the picnic, the horsebackriding, the dinner, the fs room all in one day, and all those changes of clothing, earings and hairstyles?  That seems almost too much.


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Post by Guest Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:04 am

Aunties_Love wrote:
freelancergirl wrote:
Aunties_Love wrote:
freelancergirl wrote:I mentioned this in the screencaps thread, but given that there appears to be evidence of a 3-2 rose ceremony, I think the caps of Des and Drew on the beach (that some think are his LCD) are him returning the next day looking for closure. There is no evidence of a "picnic," just that they are sitting on what might be a beach futon at the resort. Once I think of the caps in this manner, everything else makes sense. The editors have tried to pull off a masterful dupe.
I don't understand what you mean by looking for closure.  They did a picnic overlooking the scenery.  That is the picnic that people are talking about.  Then in different clothes, they go for a horseback ride. then in different clothes again, they are seen during the evening portion of the what is presumed to be the FD.  Bottom line, there are too many sc's of different clothes/earings/hairstyles just to fit all in on a FD.

so with Drew, we have them dressed in one set of "day clothing" being the picnic.  Then in another completely different set and hairstyle of day clothing while on the beach, plus horseback riding, plus the night portion.  All of that is way too much to fit all in one day, therefore 2 different days and dates.

I'm referring to the scene on the beach in which she (IMO) explains why he is leaving. That's not part of a "date." That's the day after the 3-2. (IMO.)
So are you assuming Brooks hasn't left or has already come back?  I didn't take it that way at all.  So, the picnic, the horsebackriding, the dinner, the fs room all in one day, and all those changes of clothing, earings and hairstyles?  That seems almost too much.

I haven't decided about Brooks, but I think it could be a massive red herring. I looked at the caps after you posted, and it seems to me that the horseback could have led into the picnic. If you look at the picnic table, there is a sheet of paper/notecard on it (it may also be a napkin! LOL) that could be the invitation to the fantasy suite...which is where we see them next. Heck, I don't think that bed has been identified - it could be Drew's home bedroom! I'm not convinced it's from LCD. (But I've taken some Advil PM and maybe it's making me too lucid.) :Smiley:


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Post by BarbB222 Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:08 am

I like your theory Freelance. Sounds plausible.
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Post by pavalygurl Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:18 am

SC 1 was the Drew and Des picnic.  This is the SC which julychild and momoftrips sleuthed and established that Drew was in Antigua

SC 2 is in a hotel room...sofa and bed, Drew is wearing a grey shirt with a collar (vs tee shirt) they are kissing.

SC 3 is where they are horseback riding. Des has on a white top.


SC4  sitting at a campfire site...Drew and Des have on SAME clothes as in the SC 3.  This is where they have "the talk"

This is a lot of activity and clothing changes to be just a FD.  It also does not appear to be a MTP since they are horseback riding in the same clothing as the campfire site where they have "the talk"  "The talk" doesn't take place on it's own, they are wearing the same clothes as when horseback riding so this is a date, not closure, not just talking. This is why we think Drew had a FD/MTP and LCD. Couples don't usually kiss in a hotel room, go horseback riding or have a picnic as part of the MTP...so one of these is the daytime of the FD,(my guess is the picnic) one is the day time of the LCD (my guess is the horseback riding and talk) and my guess is that the hotel is the night time of the FD. My speculation is that the talk is the last piece of this and this is where Des may let Drew go or Drew may leave or whatever else could occur.


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Post by Guest Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:20 am

freelancergirl wrote:
Aunties_Love wrote:
freelancergirl wrote:
Aunties_Love wrote:
freelancergirl wrote:I mentioned this in the screencaps thread, but given that there appears to be evidence of a 3-2 rose ceremony, I think the caps of Des and Drew on the beach (that some think are his LCD) are him returning the next day looking for closure. There is no evidence of a "picnic," just that they are sitting on what might be a beach futon at the resort. Once I think of the caps in this manner, everything else makes sense. The editors have tried to pull off a masterful dupe.
I don't understand what you mean by looking for closure.  They did a picnic overlooking the scenery.  That is the picnic that people are talking about.  Then in different clothes, they go for a horseback ride. then in different clothes again, they are seen during the evening portion of the what is presumed to be the FD.  Bottom line, there are too many sc's of different clothes/earings/hairstyles just to fit all in on a FD.

so with Drew, we have them dressed in one set of "day clothing" being the picnic.  Then in another completely different set and hairstyle of day clothing while on the beach, plus horseback riding, plus the night portion.  All of that is way too much to fit all in one day, therefore 2 different days and dates.

I'm referring to the scene on the beach in which she (IMO) explains why he is leaving. That's not part of a "date." That's the day after the 3-2. (IMO.)
So are you assuming Brooks hasn't left or has already come back?  I didn't take it that way at all.  So, the picnic, the horsebackriding, the dinner, the fs room all in one day, and all those changes of clothing, earings and hairstyles?  That seems almost too much.

I haven't decided about Brooks, but I think it could be a massive red herring. I looked at the caps after you posted, and it seems to me that the horseback could have led into the picnic. If you look at the picnic table, there is a sheet of paper/notecard on it (it may also be a napkin! LOL) that could be the invitation to the fantasy suite...which is where we see them next. Heck, I don't think that bed has been identified - it could be Drew's home bedroom! I'm not convinced it's from LCD. (But I've taken some Advil PM and maybe it's making me too lucid.) :Smiley:

I'm not convinced that Drew gets a LCD, either. And if he doesn't, then most likely Brooks' and Des' troubles come some time during MTP, LCD. Doubt she'd let him go at FD if Brooks had already gone/left. Doubt she'd tell him what happened with Brooks. Doesn't even look like she's worried about Brooks at that point, but Drew.

So, my vote is that Drew is not there for a LCD.

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Post by Guest Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:20 am

BarbB222 wrote:I like your theory Freelance. Sounds plausible.

Sometimes, as with all things, you need to step back and ask what make the most sense, even in the effed up world of this show. The beach scene had been throwing me bc I thought it was a date. Lightning bolt when I realized it wasn't . (IMO)


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Post by Aunties_Love Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:27 am

canyonvue wrote:
freelancergirl wrote:
Aunties_Love wrote:
freelancergirl wrote:
Aunties_Love wrote:
freelancergirl wrote:I mentioned this in the screencaps thread, but given that there appears to be evidence of a 3-2 rose ceremony, I think the caps of Des and Drew on the beach (that some think are his LCD) are him returning the next day looking for closure. There is no evidence of a "picnic," just that they are sitting on what might be a beach futon at the resort. Once I think of the caps in this manner, everything else makes sense. The editors have tried to pull off a masterful dupe.
I don't understand what you mean by looking for closure.  They did a picnic overlooking the scenery.  That is the picnic that people are talking about.  Then in different clothes, they go for a horseback ride. then in different clothes again, they are seen during the evening portion of the what is presumed to be the FD.  Bottom line, there are too many sc's of different clothes/earings/hairstyles just to fit all in on a FD.

so with Drew, we have them dressed in one set of "day clothing" being the picnic.  Then in another completely different set and hairstyle of day clothing while on the beach, plus horseback riding, plus the night portion.  All of that is way too much to fit all in one day, therefore 2 different days and dates.

I'm referring to the scene on the beach in which she (IMO) explains why he is leaving. That's not part of a "date." That's the day after the 3-2. (IMO.)
So are you assuming Brooks hasn't left or has already come back?  I didn't take it that way at all.  So, the picnic, the horsebackriding, the dinner, the fs room all in one day, and all those changes of clothing, earings and hairstyles?  That seems almost too much.

I haven't decided about Brooks, but I think it could be a massive red herring. I looked at the caps after you posted, and it seems to me that the horseback could have led into the picnic. If you look at the picnic table, there is a sheet of paper/notecard on it (it may also be a napkin! LOL) that could be the invitation to the fantasy suite...which is where we see them next. Heck, I don't think that bed has been identified - it could be Drew's home bedroom! I'm not convinced it's from LCD. (But I've taken some Advil PM and maybe it's making me too lucid.) :Smiley:

I'm not convinced that Drew gets a LCD, either. And if he doesn't, then most likely Brooks' and Des' troubles come some time during MTP, LCD. Doubt she'd let him go at FD if Brooks had already gone/left. Doubt she'd tell him what happened with Brooks. Doesn't even look like she's worried about Brooks at that point, but Drew.

So, my vote is that Drew is not there for a LCD.
As was outlined in the post above yours, there are too many changes of clothes/earings/hairstyles for there not to be two different dates. If there are two different dates, one would be FD and one would be the LCD. If that is the case and knowing the progress of the show, then the MTP comes in the middle. I guess looking at it reasonably, one would have to question how they could get that much stuff into one date. It really makes no sense, IMO. There has to be something else happening.


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Post by BarbB222 Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:34 am

freelancergirl wrote:
BarbB222 wrote:I like your theory Freelance. Sounds plausible.

Sometime, as with all things, you need to step back and ask what make the most sense, even in the effed up world of this show. The beach scene had been throwing me bc I thought it was a date. Lightning bolt when I realized it wasn't . (IMO)


Look how they even had to edit Des saying you were the only one keeping me here. She didn't say those things about Drew no way. We also hear Drew studdering, I've fallen for you. How can that be said then he's asking to be let go? ITA he comes back for closure. She could have easily said I 100% cared for you but not love you like you would have wanted me too. Then he says, you can't plan these things or whatever he said along those lines. When he says it won't work. It could be in relation to whom she's picking over him.
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Post by Guest Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:50 am

pavalygurl wrote:I don't understand why it is so hard to conceive of Drew having a FD, MTP and LCD when SCs have been shown and explanations given BUT easy to conceive that Brooks had a LCD when we see nothing to even hint at it.

Yes it may be there.  Yes is probably is. But why cannot the Drew scenario be true as well when sleuthing SCs are offered?

No one is saying Brooks is not F1, just that Drew was there for those events shown in SCs and still even that cannot be accepted.
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Hi!!!....i am on board of the idea that Drew has FD, MTP and LCD as well. and i am still open to the possibility of Brooks is still the F1. Those are 2 completely different things that doesnt need to be contradicted at all, IMO. We should keep in mind that they WONT show us how the rundowns r gonna play out in the end, merely from the preview. I agree that we can rely on the sleuthing SCs that are available. at least thats all we can do for now..until another preview released.

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Post by brittany4400 Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:01 am

I agree as well about drew having a LCD too! Don't know where it puts brooks, either gone or they had three LCD which I highly doubt.
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Post by Rolly Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:33 am

Is it possible that there are scenes with Brooks but they haven't shown them to us yet...maybe ever??? I think there are lots of things we haven't seen along the way....
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Post by nd4reality Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:18 am

freelancergirl wrote:
BarbB222 wrote:I like your theory Freelance. Sounds plausible.

Sometime, as with all things, you need to step back and ask what make the most sense, even in the effed up world of this show. The beach scene had been throwing me bc I thought it was a date. Lightning bolt when I realized it wasn't:giggling:  . (IMO)



You realised that it wasn't a date ? :shocked!:
It was a date. Horseriding and planned picnic means a date. Not just a converstation.

Des going to Brooks room and either letting him go or him leaving himself in the back of a limo is NOT a date. That was just a conversation with crying and a departure. Considering the fact that she went to his room I would say it is her letting him go not the other way around. His hair looked too mussed up to be expecting anyone at his doorstep in that momemnt.

I agree with the post that sometimes as with all things, you need to step back and ask what make the most sense even on this effed up world of this show. :yes:




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