Re: Tim Lopez - Ready For Love - Spoilers - Thread #3

[noobsleuth]

I spent a little time going through Tim's IG pics. Now that I know that Lavazak is Sara's Mom, it jumped out at me. She has commented on at least 3 other photos of Tim's since the S.B. photo on Aug 20. She also has liked a multitude of other photos that Tim has posted. If Sara is indeed the F1, isn't this walking dangerously close to the line? Once, maybe twice, she might be hoping to slip under the radar, posting because of her enthusiasm, but the number of times she's commented or liked causes me to question it, assuming the F1's behavior (and family's) needs to be careful because of the penalties. I know that Jenna's postings have also been close to the line, but none of them have ever directly connected Jenna to Tim. We were the one's to make the connection by piecing together evidence.

Another thing I noticed is that Jenna is the only one of Tim's final five that has never directly commented on any of Tim's IG photos. Jenna has been noticeably quiet, IMO, on twitter regarding her dates with Tim since we connected her to the PWT's Hollywood activities on this site. She'll tweet about the show and she'll tweet to other girls from the show, but she doesn't mention how great the dates were for her (and they were great IMO...the strip pool date and the beach date). Previously she did comment how the water pool date was such a great date and so on.

Sara, on the other hand, seems to be commenting a lot on FB about singing with Tim two episodes ago and then about the last episode under the tree. Why is Sara talking, but not Jenna? Is Jenna scared because of the dangers of being connected to Tim? Is she intentionally keeping a low profile, worried about the penalties?

Something is not fitting together for me. I asked myself why would Sara and her family seem to be so gracious about Sara's experience if she were to be rejected by Tim? This is the one answer I have come up with and of course it's IMO.

This is a quote from Sara in the last episode, "This moment of sitting by the tree and being with Tim in that moment was for the first time this real connection that I have not had." Sara was sooo happy and the audience applauded. (I presume that to mean since Timmy died.) I was struck how she seemed so happy that she could make a connection again. She seemed equally excited about the ability to connect as it was about connecting with Tim. Make sense?

So assuming Sara was rejected by Tim, would it seem reasonable that she could look back on this experience happily? I would say yes if she realized (and her family realized) that she will be able to move forward and love again...even if it's without Tim Lopez.

This was Jenna's statement in the last episode, "I loved how it was just me and him on the beach. It was just sort of really painting a picture of what my future could be like with this man" (her voice breaks on "this man"). It seemed to me that Jenna was really falling for this man, Tim...maybe not in love yet, but on her way. I ask myself why would she be so happy on August 20 to tweet, "Tonight was AMAZINGGGGG!!!! So happy" less than one week after the finale. Jenna was still in California. If she were rejected and had a broken heart, why would she want to go hang with Tim and the PWT's in Hollywood just two months later? (And why would Sara be okay with that, considering Tim's and Jenna's chemistry?) It doesn't make sense to me.

I know that I am filtering everything through the "Jenna is F1 lens" and trying to understand the behavior of what I am seeing both on and off the show. I would love if someone who wears the "Sara is F1 lens" could explain how they interpret the these above statements from the show and these above post show behaviors.

If I'm wrong about Jenna, what am I not seeing?

I think your argument is quite sound and believe most of the arrows point to Jenna. Further, what you are theorizing about Sara seems very plausible to me. And it seems pretty clear to me that Tim did not burn any bridges with any of the women whom we think are the final three (Jenna, Sara and Hailey); in addition to what you mentioned above about Sara's mom, Sara's brother-in-law is following Tim on twitter and Sara's dad has posted positive comments. As I indicated elsewhere, Jenna's brother is following Tim on twitter and I believe Hailey is as well. That all being said, I agree that something seems odd.

I am not sure whose voice it is saying that she thought they (she and Tim) had more - I do think though that it is Sara saying, "There is something that is happening to us that words don’t describe."

I think it's Sara saying that too.

Regarding story lines and edits I'm gonna say as of right now, Jenna's is focused around her relationship with Tim while Sara and Hailey's are focused around self reflection and healing. Kinda like Ben, CL, Jason, and other F2's except for Emily Maynard... but that's a Bachelor maneuver used to garner sympathy for the next lead which I doubt is the case here.

I agree all of the social mumbo jumbo is confusing. I think Tim is friends with all of them on FB but doesn't follow any of them on Twitter. I also agree that there is a difference between the different camps and how they handle social media regarding Tim specifically, not the show.

And I'll say it again, FWIW if things don't work out with Tim I really think Jenna has a shot with Jef. LOL I know she followed him and not Arie which tells me which side she was on.

[Iluvbachette]

Doc your last post about "There is something that is happening to us that words don't describe" is Sara's. They have had that out there from the very beginning. What I am seeing as they bring Sara and Tim's relationship more out into the open. That many things that were shown in the early previews of Jenna and Sara have not made it to air. I think from here on out, their intimate moments with Tim could be very telling. Another thing that I thought was telling last week. Sara posting asking who was watching the episode with her. Almost 2 hours later, Tim posted just got done watching episode 5. They might not have the strictest contract as The Bachelor. It seems now that they are putting more hints out there. Like on the video, Tim wanted people to know he is happy, in love, and still with the girl. It wasn't giving anything away. And I know his mom has posted 4 more weeks and everyone will know. Either way, I am just happy that he is happy and in love. That was what the show was all about. A happy ending.

[docnash14]

I spent a little time going through Tim's IG pics. Now that I know that Lavazak is Sara's Mom, it jumped out at me. She has commented on at least 3 other photos of Tim's since the S.B. photo on Aug 20. She also has liked a multitude of other photos that Tim has posted. If Sara is indeed the F1, isn't this walking dangerously close to the line? Once, maybe twice, she might be hoping to slip under the radar, posting because of her enthusiasm, but the number of times she's commented or liked causes me to question it, assuming the F1's behavior (and family's) needs to be careful because of the penalties. I know that Jenna's postings have also been close to the line, but none of them have ever directly connected Jenna to Tim. We were the one's to make the connection by piecing together evidence.

Another thing I noticed is that Jenna is the only one of Tim's final five that has never directly commented on any of Tim's IG photos. Jenna has been noticeably quiet, IMO, on twitter regarding her dates with Tim since we connected her to the PWT's Hollywood activities on this site. She'll tweet about the show and she'll tweet to other girls from the show, but she doesn't mention how great the dates were for her (and they were great IMO...the strip pool date and the beach date). Previously she did comment how the water pool date was such a great date and so on.

Sara, on the other hand, seems to be commenting a lot on FB about singing with Tim two episodes ago and then about the last episode under the tree. Why is Sara talking, but not Jenna? Is Jenna scared because of the dangers of being connected to Tim? Is she intentionally keeping a low profile, worried about the penalties?

Something is not fitting together for me. I asked myself why would Sara and her family seem to be so gracious about Sara's experience if she were to be rejected by Tim? This is the one answer I have come up with and of course it's IMO.

This is a quote from Sara in the last episode, "This moment of sitting by the tree and being with Tim in that moment was for the first time this real connection that I have not had." Sara was sooo happy and the audience applauded. (I presume that to mean since Timmy died.) I was struck how she seemed so happy that she could make a connection again. She seemed equally excited about the ability to connect as it was about connecting with Tim. Make sense?

So assuming Sara was rejected by Tim, would it seem reasonable that she could look back on this experience happily? I would say yes if she realized (and her family realized) that she will be able to move forward and love again...even if it's without Tim Lopez.

This was Jenna's statement in the last episode, "I loved how it was just me and him on the beach. It was just sort of really painting a picture of what my future could be like with this man" (her voice breaks on "this man"). It seemed to me that Jenna was really falling for this man, Tim...maybe not in love yet, but on her way. I ask myself why would she be so happy on August 20 to tweet, "Tonight was AMAZINGGGGG!!!! So happy" less than one week after the finale. Jenna was still in California. If she were rejected and had a broken heart, why would she want to go hang with Tim and the PWT's in Hollywood just two months later? (And why would Sara be okay with that, considering Tim's and Jenna's chemistry?) It doesn't make sense to me.

I know that I am filtering everything through the "Jenna is F1 lens" and trying to understand the behavior of what I am seeing both on and off the show. I would love if someone who wears the "Sara is F1 lens" could explain how they interpret the these above statements from the show and these above post show behaviors.

If I'm wrong about Jenna, what am I not seeing?

I think your argument is quite sound and believe most of the arrows point to Jenna. Further, what you are theorizing about Sara seems very plausible to me. And it seems pretty clear to me that Tim did not burn any bridges with any of the women whom we think are the final three (Jenna, Sara and Hailey); in addition to what you mentioned above about Sara's mom, Sara's brother-in-law is following Tim on twitter and Sara's dad has posted positive comments. As I indicated elsewhere, Jenna's brother is following Tim on twitter and I believe Hailey is as well. That all being said, I agree that something seems odd.

I am not sure whose voice it is saying that she thought they (she and Tim) had more - I do think though that it is Sara saying, "There is something that is happening to us that words don’t describe."

I think it's Sara saying that too.

Regarding story lines and edits I'm gonna say as of right now, Jenna's is focused around her relationship with Tim while Sara and Hailey's are focused around self reflection and healing. Kinda like Ben, CL, Jason, and other F2's except for Emily Maynard... but that's a Bachelor maneuver used to garner sympathy for the next lead which I doubt is the case here.

I agree all of the social mumbo jumbo is confusing. I think Tim is friends with all of them on FB but doesn't follow any of them on Twitter. I also agree that there is a difference between the different camps and how they handle social media regarding Tim specifically, not the show.

And I'll say it again, FWIW if things don't work out with Tim I really think Jenna has a shot with Jef. LOL I know she followed him and not Arie which tells me which side she was on.

Noobs, the fact that she and Jef are following each other is one of the things I find curious. No offense to Jef's fans but given his reputation with the younger girls I am surprised that she would follow him if she and Tim are engaged.

[noobsleuth]

Doc your last post about "There is something that is happening to us that words don't describe" is Sara's. They have had that out there from the very beginning. What I am seeing as they bring Sara and Tim's relationship more out into the open. That many things that were shown in the early previews of Jenna and Sara have not made it to air. I think from here on out, their intimate moments with Tim could be very telling. Another thing that I thought was telling last week. Sara posting asking who was watching the episode with her. Almost 2 hours later, Tim posted just got done watching episode 5. They might not have the strictest contract as The Bachelor. It seems now that they are putting more hints out there. Like on the video, Tim wanted people to know he is happy, in love, and still with the girl. It wasn't giving anything away. And I know his mom has posted 4 more weeks and everyone will know. Either way, I am just happy that he is happy and in love. That was what the show was all about. A happy ending.

That was nice of his mom to show some support. I think I am the most interested in Tim's ending because he seems to be the only one still happy with his choice! I can't believe it's really going to be almost a year for them. I think the reason these threads have stayed kinda cool, calm, and collected is because no one is trying to argue that if he picks so and so it won't work because it is and has been. It's a different way of thinking then the Bach shows and I like it.

Cutting out Hailey's kissing scenes is kind of a clue that Hailey doesn't go all of the way IMO. Tim is most intense with Sara and Jenna. I really think those are the F2.

[noobsleuth]

Noobs, the fact that she and Jef are following each other is one of the things I find curious. No offense to Jef's fans but given his reputation with the younger girls I am surprised that she would follow him if she and Tim are engaged.

I can't tell when she started following Jef (wish I could!). If she left to film RFL in June she probably didn't get to watch Emily's season until after she got home from filming. Granted, there are thousands of happily married women that follow Jef so it's hard for me to assume it was anything other then just being a fan of his. However, I find it fascinating that he singles her out from not only RFL girls, but most reality stars and other girls in general. It's odd that a guy with almost 300,000 twitter followers and who get's sometimes 20K likes on his i-gram photos is usually 1 of 20 or so that like Jenna's photos. And the crazier thing is, it's almost all of her photos... it always cracks me up to see without fail, Jenna posts a pic, close friends and family like it, and then there he is in the mix!

[Litta123]

Doc, thanks for your reply.

Iluvbachette, I think you and I both can agree on the fact that Tim is happy now and all his girls seem happy now, too, with whatever happened. So no matter who is Tim's choice, I will be glad to watch it all unfold...and I will be happy for them and wish them the best.

[2observe]

Noobs, the fact that she and Jef are following each other is one of the things I find curious. No offense to Jef's fans but given his reputation with the younger girls I am surprised that she would follow him if she and Tim are engaged.

I can't tell when she started following Jef (wish I could!). If she left to film RFL in June she probably didn't get to watch Emily's season until after she got home from filming. Granted, there are thousands of happily married women that follow Jef so it's hard for me to assume it was anything other then just being a fan of his. However, I find it fascinating that he singles her out from not only RFL girls, but most reality stars and other girls in general. It's odd that a guy with almost 300,000 twitter followers and who get's sometimes 20K likes on his i-gram photos is usually 1 of 20 or so that like Jenna's photos. And the crazier thing is, it's almost all of her photos... it always cracks me up to see without fail, Jenna posts a pic, close friends and family like it, and then there he is in the mix!

I wonder if Jef attended any of the Fundraiser Events that Jenna attended where PWTs performed.

[noobsleuth]

Noobs, the fact that she and Jef are following each other is one of the things I find curious. No offense to Jef's fans but given his reputation with the younger girls I am surprised that she would follow him if she and Tim are engaged.

I can't tell when she started following Jef (wish I could!). If she left to film RFL in June she probably didn't get to watch Emily's season until after she got home from filming. Granted, there are thousands of happily married women that follow Jef so it's hard for me to assume it was anything other then just being a fan of his. However, I find it fascinating that he singles her out from not only RFL girls, but most reality stars and other girls in general. It's odd that a guy with almost 300,000 twitter followers and who get's sometimes 20K likes on his i-gram photos is usually 1 of 20 or so that like Jenna's photos. And the crazier thing is, it's almost all of her photos... it always cracks me up to see without fail, Jenna posts a pic, close friends and family like it, and then there he is in the mix!

I wonder if Jef attended any of the Fundraiser Events that Jenna attended where PWTs performed.

I checked that and from what I could tell he wasn't in LA those days. On 10/24 he tweeted that he was going somewhere cold (which isn't LA IMO). He posted a pic on i-gram of him on a plane wearing a winter coat.

[docnash14]

Noobs, the fact that she and Jef are following each other is one of the things I find curious. No offense to Jef's fans but given his reputation with the younger girls I am surprised that she would follow him if she and Tim are engaged.

I can't tell when she started following Jef (wish I could!). If she left to film RFL in June she probably didn't get to watch Emily's season until after she got home from filming. Granted, there are thousands of happily married women that follow Jef so it's hard for me to assume it was anything other then just being a fan of his. However, I find it fascinating that he singles her out from not only RFL girls, but most reality stars and other girls in general. It's odd that a guy with almost 300,000 twitter followers and who get's sometimes 20K likes on his i-gram photos is usually 1 of 20 or so that like Jenna's photos. And the crazier thing is, it's almost all of her photos... it always cracks me up to see without fail, Jenna posts a pic, close friends and family like it, and then there he is in the mix!

Noobs, I just checked. Jenna started following Emily on twitter right before she (Jenna) started following some of her fellow contestants (Sara was the first one she followed) which makes me suspect that she did watch at least some of Emily's season. Have we heard whether the girls were allowed to watch television during RFL filming?

On a different note, as I was looking, I found these tweets by Jenna I found interesting:

"Everyone lives in their own interest and whether it's their intention or not, they will walk all over someone else if they are allowed" 5/31/12

"We stick together and we do what we can to cope with what's unfair about life, but you will never escape it" 5/31/12

Jenna Reeves ‏@imaJENNAtion_ 28 May/12
"One more week of freedom"

[Guest]

sara_lava3 3 days ago
@dee_lilah thank you... I love hailey just as much as I love Tim haha... I'm sad about the tree too. What a sad day.


Did you guys see this? Would She say this if she wasn't F1?

[happygolucky]

I really like RFL, although there is a problem with editing that much of the material, that a lot of stuff don't get shown and adding every couple of minutes "next tonight" or "next week" segment is only taking time away from airing the other conversations that up till now haven't been shown like the part where guys have "advice time" with matchmakers and going through their questions/doubts and "wrong moves".
Also girls clearly show their intelligence in knowing their own place, becoming friendly with each other, despite occasional ferocious/jealous/undermining moments, because we have to remind ourselves they do fight for attention of the same guy.
Like the moment when Siham questioned Jenna's maturity for a serious relationship. I smiled at the feisty Jenna's reaction with "you're only 2 (1) years older than me". Siham had certain experiences in life that make a huge impact on any person, dealing with responsibility (you have to remember she lost both a sister and a father), so she wasn't really trying to be mean or undermining Jenna, but Jenna clearly showed (with her eyes and the tone) that she's not fond of Siham ... and we'll see that soon. But other than that the relationships were quite genuine as in "real daily life", they were not pretentious or making drama for the show purposes. Also all the girls really came there for Tim and not for more visibility or TV career option, so "hearts" actually got bruised and hurt.
But it's been 10 months since the show had been filmed, people get over it, some people forget, some learn out of it and grow, some take on a new journey and some fall in love (or find good friends).

Sara posted a picture of a RFL cake for the show-start, Jenna had a family viewing with "a cake for each member" (kidding, have no idea how many people were with her), Hailey's dad organized a viewing party for the whole community of friends ... easy to say, that all three girls had an amazing experience, that made a big impact on their lives and continue to do so (including adding more fiends and fans to their list of followers), that their parents are proud of and happy for them ... so even tho' there's only one "chosen" girl, all three of them are the winners.

Do you believe good things happen to good people?

[docnash14]

sara_lava3 3 days ago
@dee_lilah thank you... I love hailey just as much as I love Tim haha... I'm sad about the tree too. What a sad day.


Did you guys see this? Would She say this if she wasn't F1?

The devil's advocate answer would be that the reason she was able to get over Tim was because she loves Hailey and is happy that Tim chose her (Hailey).

So what if the final two are Sara and Hailey? And we then understand why Hailey is moving to Austin (ala Roberto moving to California).

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