Re: Ashley and JP *Picture thread* - Thread #2

[emusha]

Wow thanks for that vid JBF! It's such a weird setting - and seeing all the camera makes it so much clearer what kind of setting it is -- it's beyond weird that people would be able to form a romance in this setting... love is a mysterious thing!

[Nibbles22]

Wow is right!! What a find JBF! It's neat to see all of that
behind the scenes filming. It seems like a formal cocktail party, yet
with cameras everywhere! I also liked seeing the production crew
with all of their camera angles, and dialogue that they hone into.
Very interesting!

[Bloomers]

It doesn't matter what she "wanted" as concerning Bentley - it wasn't going to happen as far as the producers were concerned, so I don't even consider him in the mix. When I look back on the seasons dating back to Jason as the Bachelor, one from the F4 has had his/her 1-1 from each episode 2-5 before the HTs, so I think that this the way they like to plan it.

Therefore, I think William with the 1-1 in the 2nd episode was supposed to be in the F4 probably like Ashley, but he fell from grace.
Notice, though, William is on the front row of the group picture as typically the F3s often are.

JP on the front row was F1 from before he left the limo. I don't know how that happened, but they planned for him to leave in Emily's spot. He also got the 3rd episode date, and I am not kidding myself after all of this time that he got that on the flip of a coin no matter what it looked like.

Ben standing on the second row behind F1's shoulder as has happened 2 or 3 times, got the 5th episode date like F2 Chelsea and F2 Tenley. I think he was supposed to be F2 from the beginning. His date activities mirror other F2s' date activities and were planned as such.

Here is where it gets a little hairy. Dino is standing in the back with the F4s, and he exits with the F4s, but Ames is edited like an F4. Also, we clearly hear Chris and Ashley discussing Ames in terms of keeping him when she said she did not originally intend to do so. Therefore, it sounds like Ames takes the place of the usurped William, but instead of Ames moving into Williams's 3rd place spot, Dino - who really acts like he is having more fun with the guys - moves into 3rd, and Ames moves into 4th.

Ames was on the front row and exited early which made him looked like he might be more F3 and Constantine F4. I think originally Ashley intended Constine to be F4.

I agree with all you have posted here... nothing is coincidence. I also agree that Deanna's Jesse would have been the final 3 dumpee had Graham stayed in the picture. However, as I mention over and over, the Final 3 guy on the Bachelorette is usually one she has a stronger connection with than Final 2 dumpee, but she wants less stress come final rose ceremony. In other words, Deanna may not have liked Jesse as much as Graham, but she preferred him over F2 Jason even when Graham was still in the competition. Hope I'm not confusing here.

Obviously none of this is written in stone... and there are "oddities" like Chris L. being too far back in Ali's photo, but I do agree with the overall pattern of Final 1 being somewhere up front.

In regards to Constantine...

Everybody is in the dark here about how or why he leaves after his Fantasy Date. Is it HIS choice or HER choice? Will we get a replay of Ali's season, where her INITIAL final 3 becomes final 2 because her INITIAL final 2 drops out? (Ali liked Chris much more than Frank, but had his Last Chance Date cancelled because she couldn't "lead him on" any further. Had Frank not bolted, she would have continued The Show as is, since those two had a weaker relationship.) Already, we all can see she is much more "into" Ben than Dino.

I do think she is just stringing both guys to the Fantasy Suite knowing she can stay a good girl... and they probably both know it. Ames already "attacked" her in the elevator, sooo... I kinda doubt she plans to take EITHER Ames or Ryan to the FS.

Just a quickie question... what was Emily's "spot"? Are you referring to the limo arrivals?

Most important... this is for EVERYBODY reading this:

PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO SO WE HAVE THE LIMO ARRIVALS STRAIGHT: http://www.tvgrapevine.com/index.php/video/viewvideo/56/entertainment/bachelorette-ashley-hebert-preview-2

Download it, if you are able to, before they delete it... and they WILL at some point. It may prove helpful with future seasons.

First, I don't discount the extremely strong resemble between Emily's dead ex and JP. If we found the picture and the story, there is zero doubt in my mind that they uncovered this whole story in their original research, interviewing, and personality/psychological testing of Ashley for Brad's season.
Now, there has been some question as to how JP ended up in this season's line-up of Bachelors. Perhaps, there was a connection, a publicist who might have known someone on the inside? Who knows? At any rate, there is an uncanny resemblance between JP and the dead ex-boyfriend, the boyfriend that was hinted at in Brad's season but who never made the edit. Somehow, he was important in Ashley's life, but he didn't fit Brad's storyline, so we didn't hear about him, afterall.

I think he indirectly impacts the show in that he resembles JP strongly enough that he gives JP a leg up to get the initial frontrunner spot right out of the chute.

Let me back up....

Last season during Brad's original line-up which we know from the ABC Media pic info on the back, we know that F1 Emily exited last which is typically given for drama or WOW! impact, the last great impression on the lead before the contestants all enter into the cocktail party room.

We know from the info on the Media pics that JP originally exited last the same as F1 Emily.

Now I believe they did that for the (boyfriend) impact on her, and because they knew from the very onset he was going to be the F1 frontrunner.

I will carry it further...When the edited limo exit was shown, out of the 30 women, F1 Emily was moved up to #28, where she was perhaps slightly hidden, and we see Michelle instead at the end.


When the edited limo exit was shown, out of 25 men, spoiled F1 JP moves to #21 where he is slightly hidden, and we see Dino instead at the end.

That's my case. If it is co-incidence, it is pretty stong!

To conclude, they moved guys all over the limos this season. Ben went originally from car #3 to car # 4. Ames was originally in car #1, and we saw him in car #3; therefore, I maintain that JP's original and shown limo order exit was done with a deliberate purpose in mind, at least part of which was to mirror F1 Emily from the prior season.

[gurlbrit]

It doesn't matter what she "wanted" as concerning Bentley - it wasn't going to happen as far as the producers were concerned, so I don't even consider him in the mix. When I look back on the seasons dating back to Jason as the Bachelor, one from the F4 has had his/her 1-1 from each episode 2-5 before the HTs, so I think that this the way they like to plan it.

Therefore, I think William with the 1-1 in the 2nd episode was supposed to be in the F4 probably like Ashley, but he fell from grace.
Notice, though, William is on the front row of the group picture as typically the F3s often are.

JP on the front row was F1 from before he left the limo. I don't know how that happened, but they planned for him to leave in Emily's spot. He also got the 3rd episode date, and I am not kidding myself after all of this time that he got that on the flip of a coin no matter what it looked like.

Ben standing on the second row behind F1's shoulder as has happened 2 or 3 times, got the 5th episode date like F2 Chelsea and F2 Tenley. I think he was supposed to be F2 from the beginning. His date activities mirror other F2s' date activities and were planned as such.

Here is where it gets a little hairy. Dino is standing in the back with the F4s, and he exits with the F4s, but Ames is edited like an F4. Also, we clearly hear Chris and Ashley discussing Ames in terms of keeping him when she said she did not originally intend to do so. Therefore, it sounds like Ames takes the place of the usurped William, but instead of Ames moving into Williams's 3rd place spot, Dino - who really acts like he is having more fun with the guys - moves into 3rd, and Ames moves into 4th.

Ames was on the front row and exited early which made him looked like he might be more F3 and Constantine F4. I think originally Ashley intended Constine to be F4.

I agree with all you have posted here... nothing is coincidence. I also agree that Deanna's Jesse would have been the final 3 dumpee had Graham stayed in the picture. However, as I mention over and over, the Final 3 guy on the Bachelorette is usually one she has a stronger connection with than Final 2 dumpee, but she wants less stress come final rose ceremony. In other words, Deanna may not have liked Jesse as much as Graham, but she preferred him over F2 Jason even when Graham was still in the competition. Hope I'm not confusing here.

Obviously none of this is written in stone... and there are "oddities" like Chris L. being too far back in Ali's photo, but I do agree with the overall pattern of Final 1 being somewhere up front.

In regards to Constantine...

Everybody is in the dark here about how or why he leaves after his Fantasy Date. Is it HIS choice or HER choice? Will we get a replay of Ali's season, where her INITIAL final 3 becomes final 2 because her INITIAL final 2 drops out? (Ali liked Chris much more than Frank, but had his Last Chance Date cancelled because she couldn't "lead him on" any further. Had Frank not bolted, she would have continued The Show as is, since those two had a weaker relationship.) Already, we all can see she is much more "into" Ben than Dino.

I do think she is just stringing both guys to the Fantasy Suite knowing she can stay a good girl... and they probably both know it. Ames already "attacked" her in the elevator, sooo... I kinda doubt she plans to take EITHER Ames or Ryan to the FS.

Just a quickie question... what was Emily's "spot"? Are you referring to the limo arrivals?

Most important... this is for EVERYBODY reading this:

PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO SO WE HAVE THE LIMO ARRIVALS STRAIGHT: http://www.tvgrapevine.com/index.php/video/viewvideo/56/entertainment/bachelorette-ashley-hebert-preview-2

Download it, if you are able to, before they delete it... and they WILL at some point. It may prove helpful with future seasons.

First, I don't discount the extremely strong resemble between Emily's dead ex and JP. If we found the picture and the story, there is zero doubt in my mind that they uncovered this whole story in their original research, interviewing, and personality/psychological testing of Ashley for Brad's season.
Now, there has been some question as to how JP ended up in this season's line-up of Bachelors. Perhaps, there was a connection, a publicist who might have known someone on the inside? Who knows? At any rate, there is an uncanny resemblance between JP and the dead ex-boyfriend, the boyfriend that was hinted at in Brad's season but who never made the edit. Somehow, he was important in Ashley's life, but he didn't fit Brad's storyline, so we didn't hear about him, afterall.

I think he indirectly impacts the show in that he resembles JP strongly enough that he gives JP a leg up to get the initial frontrunner spot right out of the chute.

Let me back up....

Last season during Brad's original line-up which we know from the ABC Media pic info on the back, we know that F1 Emily exited last which is typically given for drama or WOW! impact, the last great impression on the lead before the contestants all enter into the cocktail party room.

We know from the info on the Media pics that JP originally exited last the same as F1 Emily.

Now I believe they did that for the (boyfriend) impact on her, and because they knew from the very onset he was going to be the F1 frontrunner.

I will carry it further...When the edited limo exit was shown, out of the 30 women, F1 Emily was moved up to #28, where she was perhaps slightly hidden, and we see Michelle instead at the end.


When the edited limo exit was shown, out of 25 men, spoiled F1 JP moves to #21 where he is slightly hidden, and we see Dino instead at the end.

That's my case. If it is co-incidence, it is pretty stong!

To conclude, they moved guys all over the limos this season. Ben went originally from car #3 to car # 4. Ames was originally in car #1, and we saw him in car #3; therefore, I maintain that JP's original and shown limo order exit was done with a deliberate purpose in mind, at least part of which was to mirror F1 Emily from the prior season.

Bloomers, from what I understand there is a friend of JP's who is a publicist, somewhere in all the threads (I think the Tweet one) there's a connection (drink) between JP and this publicist.

[JBF]

My favorite part of the TV Grapevine video shows how quickly Ben F. is "bonding" with the guys... I often think that question Ashley asked Constantine was directed to the wrong Bro.

I now see the Emily connection and, yes, Reality Steve was onto the deceased ex boyfriend comparisons. No, he doesn't look THAT much like Jordan, but there are probably other similarities we don't know about that PRODUCTION knew about.

Being last to arrive (out of the limo or up stairs like Jen's season or arriving late at Jillian's party) is always a good sign...

Trista: Charlie (F2)
Meredith: Ian (F1)
Jen: Jerry Ferris (F1, but dumped)
Deanna: Jeremy (F3)
Jillian: Ed (F1)/Reid (F3)/Tanner/Mike/Bryce
excepton to rule... Ali: (re-edited like this season?) Jason
Ashley: JP

However, it is unlikely that we will enjoy this kind of "rough cut" like the TV Gapevine video again. I'm sure they will be on to us and continue editing limos out of sequence (they also moved Ryan to first position) but no longer reveal their "tricks".

[mnmhughes]

Just finished watching last week's cocktail party again. It was adorable watching a few key moments:

1) JP's face as he watches Ashley arrive in the boat and then as she disembarks. He's a goner, if he wasn't already.
2) The camera keeps moving around when she gives the toast to the guys, but you see JP smile at her, then a second later, she smiles at him with big, sparkling eyes.
3) When she holds her cup up for the toast, JP makes sure his cup is the first to touch hers.

[Admin]

Just finished watching last week's cocktail party again. It was adorable watching a few key moments:

1) JP's face as he watches Ashley arrive in the boat and then as she disembarks. He's a goner, if he wasn't already.
2) The camera keeps moving around when she gives the toast to the guys, but you see JP smile at her, then a second later, she smiles at him with big, sparkling eyes.
3) When she holds her cup up for the toast, JP makes sure his cup is the first to touch hers.

I loved it too!

[Admin]

[Kelad9]

Just finished watching last week's cocktail party again. It was adorable watching a few key moments:

1) JP's face as he watches Ashley arrive in the boat and then as she disembarks. He's a goner, if he wasn't already.
2) The camera keeps moving around when she gives the toast to the guys, but you see JP smile at her, then a second later, she smiles at him with big, sparkling eyes.
3) When she holds her cup up for the toast, JP makes sure his cup is the first to touch hers.

I loved it too!

I think it's going to irk Ashley if Ryan starts to copy everything JP does in hopes of getting her attention. It already irks me just seeing it in the caps when I missed it watching the show.

[Alanna]

San, thanks so much for the caps! Ashley loves attention and JP just can't take his eyes off of her when she's in the room. Perfect match.

[Diana]

Jash is too sweet together!

[mnmhughes]

Thanks for bringing the caps over! They're so taken with each other!!! :sweetheart:

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