The Bachelorette 9 - Contestants - Speculation/Spoilers - Discussion

relaxing wrote:

jojo47 wrote:

Kashathediva wrote:What comes to mind personally is "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me." I try to adhere to the two strikes policy myself. Good few posts to wake up to!

I agree, Kasha! Veg has articulated some great thoughts here in a couple of posts.

Where was it that Des said something around "realizing or choosing what she needs rather than what she wants" (my paraphrase). Was that in a blog or a post-filming interview?

I've always thought it was more general - like she used to want a certain more alpha-male, type-A guy (even like being drawn to Bryden, Ben and James who don't seem right for her at all) and she ended up with 3 quite sensitive, artistic, soft-spoken sweet hearted men to choose from in the end.

pavalygurl wrote:But she also said the show was kind of a learning curve for her.  If she wanted Brooks from the start, how does that fit her quote.  What did she learn in relation to Brooks, what changed?  How did she go from what she wanted to what she needed?  And I don't think the want and need both refer to Brooks, IMO, it's one or the other.

pavalygurl wrote:But she also said the show was kind of a learning curve for her.  If she wanted Brooks from the start, how does that fit her quote.  What did she learn in relation to Brooks, what changed?  How did she go from what she wanted to what she needed?  And I don't think the want and need both refer to Brooks, IMO, it's one or the other.

veg_out wrote:Regarding the conflict, it's central to any narrative structure. There's always some obstacle, either internal or external, against which the protagonist must endure or overcome. The resolution results in some mental/emotional breakthrough, accomplishment, or happy ending (usually) unless it's a tragedy.

Des' obstacle as previously stated is loving men who don't equally love her in return. Brooks at the moment will play right into Des' central conflict. Ideally, the resolution to Brooks' personal conflict would be for him to lean into his feelings for her and not leave her; by leaving her, it opens the door for Des' conflict to be resolved by choosing one of the guys who has stuck by her through it all and loved her probably more than she loved them. But with Brooks' leaving, I imagine that the support of these men will deepen her feelings for them.

Regarding the lack of conflict for Drew and Chris', it's definitely there and it's with Desiree. She is in love with Brooks but both of these men think that their relationship to her is unlike any other. Listen to their PIs on their HTDs. When Brooks leaves and she falls apart, their conflict will rise: do they stay and try with someone who obviously was in love with someone else? Their conflicts resolve at the FRC.

It could be argued that Brooks' conflict will resolve when he leaves. It's Des' conflict that doesn't resolve until the FRC, and if Brooks returns, it's not a guarantee that he's the resolution to her conflict.

Why do I think she'll take him back if he returns? Because she loves him. Because of the way she was with James. Because she's big on chemistry and sparks. But her tweet about dating advice makes a good case for Des closing the door that Brooks might walk out of and not looking back but choosing Drew or Chris.

2observe wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:But she also said the show was kind of a learning curve for her.  If she wanted Brooks from the start, how does that fit her quote.  What did she learn in relation to Brooks, what changed?  How did she go from what she wanted to what she needed?  And I don't think the want and need both refer to Brooks, IMO, it's one or the other.

  

agentcurls wrote:Des' theme of the season has been her living a fairytale. Maybe she was rather idealistic about falling in love and wanted it to go a certain way during this experience.

But maybe what she found she needed was something more grounded, raw, honest, ultimately true, albeit messy and not tied up with a pretty little pink bow.

jojo47 wrote:

pavalygurl wrote:But she also said the show was kind of a learning curve for her.  If she wanted Brooks from the start, how does that fit her quote.  What did she learn in relation to Brooks, what changed?  How did she go from what she wanted to what she needed?  And I don't think the want and need both refer to Brooks, IMO, it's one or the other.

Agree with your interpretation here Pav, especially the part about Brooks not being both the "want" and "need". It's one or the other.

The learning curve also sounds familiar.