Episode 10 (Finale) - 3/11 - Bachelor 17 - Discussion - Spoilers

Kashathediva wrote:My mac makes Lindsay's dress appear a blue/silver.
I have no issue with the colors, it's the styling. Neither appears to be very flattering and it has nothing to do with simplicity but the way each hangs, almost like a metallic potato sack. Both of these ladies have stunning figures and could have looked stellar in the right gown.
Many formal gowns are made in the "far east" etc, so I don't hang my hat on the way the gowns appear because of where they were made.

Kasha, my sentiments exactly

Bronwyn wrote:The color on my IPad must be off, or my eyes are off one. Lindsay's dress looks like a pale blue to me. Hopefully these dresses look better in motion than they do in still shots, because I don't care for either one of them. If they were a different fabric I might like them better. Don't care for the shiny.

Same here it looks like light blue on my screen.

Not sure if guys have seen this:

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Does Meet the Parents happen before the LCD? I'm thinking this could happen if:

a) Sean was all "in-love" with someone
b) at meet the parents Shay prefers Lindsay, Dad prefers Catherine, Mom says don't propose
c) Sean is conflicted again, tells both women he loves them
d) Sean decides and morning of he knows who

Is this the TPTB story or could Sean really be this "in the moment?" If it's the latter, that's good in a way right? Because it means he is over all the other women he had "strong feelings" for?

Moral of the story: I SHOULD LEARN TO IGNORE TABS

Catdwoman50 wrote:Not sure if guys have seen this:

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Does Meet the Parents happen before the LCD? I'm thinking this could happen if:

a) Sean was all "in-love" with someone
b) at meet the parents Shay prefers Lindsay, Dad prefers Catherine, Mom says don't propose
c) Sean is conflicted again, tells both women he loves them
d) Sean decides and morning of he knows who

Is this the TPTB story or could Sean really be this "in the moment?" If it's the latter, that's good in a way right? Because it means he is over all the other women he had "strong feelings" for?

Moral of the story: I SHOULD LEARN TO IGNORE TABS

I haven't seen the video but, yes, the women typically meet the parents prior to the LCD.

Difficult, of course, to know how much is the edit. If the "source" for the Life & Style article is to be believed, at the end the choice was easy for Sean.

Catdwoman50 wrote:Is this the TPTB story or could Sean really be this "in the moment?" If it's the latter, that's good in a way right? Because it means he is over all the other women he had "strong feelings" for?

I think if I gave you a dollar for every season of The Bachelor where the lead is conflicted up until the morning of the finale, when he suddenly has a moment of clarity and makes the last fateful decision, I'd be giving you $17 (yes - I'm including this season - paid in advance).

If you returned a dollar back to me for every season where that was actually true, I think you'd still have my $17.

Lucas15 wrote:

Catdwoman50 wrote:Is this the TPTB story or could Sean really be this "in the moment?" If it's the latter, that's good in a way right? Because it means he is over all the other women he had "strong feelings" for?

I think if I gave you a dollar for every season of The Bachelor where the lead is conflicted up until the morning of the finale, when he suddenly has a moment of clarity and makes the last fateful decision, I'd be giving you $17 (yes - I'm including this season - paid in advance).

If you returned a dollar back to me for every season where that was actually true, I think you'd still have my $17.

I was confused there for a moment because .... I AM POOR IN MATH! (Unlike Cat!) I got ya!

AND Lucas... So great to see you again!

Has it been confirmed somewhere that Sean really does tell both women that he loves them? That just doesn't seem like something he would do imo.

Lucas15 wrote:

Catdwoman50 wrote:Is this the TPTB story or could Sean really be this "in the moment?" If it's the latter, that's good in a way right? Because it means he is over all the other women he had "strong feelings" for?

I think if I gave you a dollar for every season of The Bachelor where the lead is conflicted up until the morning of the finale, when he suddenly has a moment of clarity and makes the last fateful decision, I'd be giving you $17 (yes - I'm including this season - paid in advance).

If you returned a dollar back to me for every season where that was actually true, I think you'd still have my $17.

Thanks, makes me feel better. So I guess if he does say I love you to both, I should be looking for the diference in BL, or if I literally see him mouthing the words to either one and not a voice over. Also there is a difference in context between phrases like, "I'm in love with you" vs. "I love you" so I will watch out for that as well. I watched the FDs again, and Sean only says "you make me happy" to Catherine. Also in his ITMs for AshLee and Lindsay, he said, "Can I see [Lindsay/Ashley] as my wife? The answer is yes." But with Catherine he says, "I can see myself marrying Catherine" and he said it out loud to her. Didn't really hear it with the other girls (well don't take that last statement to the bank yet, I have to rewatch to confirm).

iloveromance wrote:Has it been confirmed somewhere that Sean really does tell both women that he loves them? That just doesn't seem like something he would do imo.

If he really said that and was literally torn between the two, then that means the two girls were the same to him. You really can't decide at this point? I always think Sean wants to be seen as such a saint, he has to love everyone to prove he is a good guy, I'm kinda irritated by it. Whoever the final one is, she must have a strong heart to handle his indecisiveness watching the show.

Catdwoman50 wrote:

Lucas15 wrote:

Catdwoman50 wrote:Is this the TPTB story or could Sean really be this "in the moment?" If it's the latter, that's good in a way right? Because it means he is over all the other women he had "strong feelings" for?

I think if I gave you a dollar for every season of The Bachelor where the lead is conflicted up until the morning of the finale, when he suddenly has a moment of clarity and makes the last fateful decision, I'd be giving you $17 (yes - I'm including this season - paid in advance).

If you returned a dollar back to me for every season where that was actually true, I think you'd still have my $17.

Thanks, makes me feel better. So I guess if he does say I love you to both, I should be looking for the diference in BL, or if I literally see him mouthing the words to either one and not a voice over. Also there is a difference in context between phrases like, "I'm in love with you" vs. "I love you" so I will watch out for that as well. I watched the FDs again, and Sean only says "you make me happy" to Catherine. Also in his ITMs for AshLee and Lindsay, he said, "Can I see [Lindsay/Ashley] as my wife? The answer is yes." But with Catherine he says, "I can see myself marrying Catherine" and he said it out loud to her. Didn't really hear it with the other girls (well don't take that last statement to the bank yet, I have to rewatch to confirm).

I'll double that $17 and raise you $34. This happens every season, though they are hyping the indecision more this season.

Especially at the MTP, every season the lead tells his own parents that he's undecided and says he doesn't know what to do. At least, onscreen and in the edit, that's what we're shown. Every time.

Many times, the parents have said what Sean's mom said, to not rush into a proposal if one of them isn't your clear favorite. Other times a parent might indicate a bias toward one of the F2, and still other times the parents will just say that they trust the lead's judgement to do what's right.

I agree that this is all hype about not knowing. When Sean sat down with Chris Harrison in this last episode, he asks him if he is in love and he says yes. In Robin Ross' interview with Chris Harrison this week she asked if he had a feeling about who he would pick and he responded " Leaving the first place, I wasn't sure, but once we got to the final place, yes. But only because I had conversations with him off camera and I got to see which way he was leaning" I don't think it was a last minute decision.

Well, I just rewatched the preview at the end of last episode...
1) Sean and Cat smiling on elephant
2) Sean and Lindsay Kissing on boat
3) Sean and Lindsay kissing again - then she tells him she's happy and he says me too
4) Cat smiling and Sean - he is telling her he sees them together, then S+C standing head to head quietly.
5) Papa Jay and Cat scene
6) Cat and Sean lying on bed quietly
7) Sean and Lindsay looking at flying lanterns and (guess what?) kissing.

What is is Ali said once... "When you have nothing to say, you fill it up with kisses". Or, you just enjoy being together without feeling the need to talk...

Remember Ash's LCD evenings with Ben (making out big time and laughing) vs JP (letter and quiet comfort, no big make out).