Re: The Bachelor: Women Tell All - 3/04 - Discussion Thread

[Bhaka]

So, just saw a story about WTA on Insider and it showed AshLee asking Sean, " Why did you tell me that you had no feelings for the other girls?". He denied it.

Unfortunately I think AshLee misinterpreted a LOT of what Sean did or said as confirmation that she was the one.

Okay, I'm going into defend Sean mode because I do believe he has a lot of integrity.... but before I do please realize that I believe no one is perfect- which is why we need grace.

So, do I think AshLee believes Sean told her he had no feelings for anyone else? Yes, I believe that she believes that. Do I think that Sean, himself, told her that? No. I do think she heard that, but more likely from her handler, someone in production- we know they are wont to place such ideas in the minds of the participants and AshLee, I think, was particularly vulnerable to those thoughts. I do believe that Sean told AshLee that he had strong feelings toward her- which I believe to be true. He told her, as he told others, that he could see being married to her. I don't think any of these women would have been in Thailand if he could not picture that. Does that mean he would be married to any of them? Not necessarily- and obviously there would only be one at the end. If AshLee had not been blinded by her own feelings she may have, as all the other girls did, realize that Sean was paying attention to and seemed to have feelings for other women. I am certain that none could plumb the depths of those feelings- but then Sean hadn't figured it out yet, either.

It was clear to me, by what AshLee said in the ITM immediately following her HTD that she knew that Sean would be committed at such a time as when he said, "I love you" which to him meant (s) the same as "I want to spend my life with you, marry you". She said that at that point their life together would go forward. Clearly, she had no doubts it was her. Did her parents take Sean saying that he had no intent to break AshLee's heart to be that she would be the chosen one (we weren't there and only have the edited tape as evidence- but given her dad's tweet that may be the case) and did they then tell her that? Did she hold on to the words that AshLee was like no one else (true) as meaning she was the one? We weren't present, we will never see or hear all the tape, but if you had "given" yourself to someone who could only be non-specific in his declarations to you, you might come to some conclusions. (I know that I can have meaningful conversations with my husband of 32 years and he might refer, later, to something we spoke about and I wonder if we were in the same room at the time because you'd think we had just played the kids' game "telephone" and he was 30 or so people removed from me- just sayin').

Anyway, never a good idea to publicly challenge anyone's integrity. It shows absolute disrespect which maybe what AshLee believes Sean showed her, so she is returning the favor. But I think instead, that there was a major miscommunication which in the long run may have become the norm for their relationship- and become toxic.

Great post. Congratulations on 32 years! That's truly wonderful!

[Love_Me]

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[renaissance]

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I cant see the video bc im outside the us :Frown:

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[Kwpn12]

AshLee then said that she figured that Sean wouldn't "man up" and admit that he said that.

do u have a link

I don't. It was on the show OMG Insider tonight. Included Keltie Colleen short interviews with Sean and Ashlee (separately).

[IrishGal]

Not one of us knows what Sean said to Ashlee in private. I don't think it's fair to say she is lying or is so addled she didn't understand what he said to her. I realize we have a ton of Sean apologists but why diminish her by accusing her of being either a liar or a fool? Personally, I think that Sean is FAR from being articulate so no surprise to me at all that words came out of his mouth that he didn't mean.

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oh well. thanks anyways :Smiley:

[umngirl]

The thing about Sean telling AshLee he had no feelings for the other two is that it makes no sense in the context of the show. Obviously there are feelings involved for all three of the girls at this point. I'm thinking this is a situation where things were said and the meaning of them got lost in translation or there was more to the thought that wasn't shared. Regardless, I don't whatever is said at the WTA will really clarify the situation.

[Mr Write]

Shouldn't Des and Lesley M be sitting in each others seat (ie. swap positions)? Makes me wonder.

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