Episode 7 - 2/11 - Bachelor 17 - Discussion - Spoilers

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To go back to these caps and the video they came from...

I think the blow up between AshLee and Tierra happened on Wednesday, October 24, in the middle of the Group Date day. At that point, AshLee would have had her one on one date and Tierra would have also had hers. The next day is the Group Date where they go watch the sunrise at Point Udall. And we know from the previews that the Group Date will include a sunset on the West End.

In these caps, Catherine and Des are wearing what they wore during the sunrise portion of the date. I am thinking that the group date girls went back to the resort during midday and Lesley and Cat would probably napping or watching t.v. on the bed when Tierra came storming in. The fight happened and then Tierra went into one of the bedrooms and closed the door. That's when Sean walks in (through a very inconvenient deck door, BTW), asks where Tierra is and Des and Lesley (who has put on a coverup by then) sends him to the room.

So he must comfort Tierra and then still has to go on the evening/sunset portion of the date.

So I'm guessing that the producers went and found him once the fight had happened so that he would go and comfort Tierra and get some more footage. I don't think he just happened to be showing up at that point as Des doesn't look ready to go on the next portion of the date.

On the 3 n 1 date he would have individual time with each gal .. Most likely he was "between dates" when this happened

Luxstx, thanks for the analysis of the timeline.

I hope that, if your timeline is accurate, it didn't result in the second portion of the group date being delayed or cancelled, although I guess that is unlikely as it does appear that a GDR was given out. If that did occur, however, that would explain Trista "fuming" over the episode when she watched it.

I wonder if, during that visit, Sean challenges Tierra to get it together, or apologize. I think we're reasonably certain that she doesn't leave until Shay comes on the day of the RC.

reason wrote:

Love_Me wrote:

reason wrote:His feelings for Catherine was there before this week,because of the friends comment he made to her last week, he was interested only was not sure how she felt from that first kiss in the drive way it was on.

So you think once Catherine made it clear she liked him more then a friend he didn't think twice about ending up with anyone, but her?

Yes in that little slice of video the give she is the only one where I see he is as intimate with out of all of them. Go back and slow the video down when she gave him that kiss card look where his left hand went trust me he was waiting until he knows she was not looking at him as a friend he also said I have always wanted to be affectionate to her, but I think is the friend zone he was afraid he was in that kept him from that.

Reason, I need your help. I'm a little confused with your logic here. Isn't it the premise of the show to find love and not just friendship? So, I'm not getting why Sean did not approach Catherine with the idea of seeing her as a potential mate instead of thinking she only wanted friendship. Imo, if Catherine only saw Sean as a friend, I think that she would have left on her own, or told him to let her go because she didn't see things progressing further before now. It was pretty late in game, imo, for him to be still questioning intentions. By now, Sean should have a pretty good idea of who his final 4 women will be.

I think he was attracted all along and was also attracted to others and let each relationship take its course until he got to Catherine. And he found that letting the relationship with Catherine take its course led to more and more, greater feeliings, and the other girls started taking a back seat. But it was a process that had to play out.

jcrbil wrote:I wonder if, during that visit, Sean challenges Tierra to get it together, or apologize. I think we're reasonably certain that she doesn't leave until Shay comes on the day of the RC.

What do we know about Shay's visit? When did she arrive? Will we see her on camera? I just don't know any of the details.

What happened after the sunrise? Sean commented that they had a lot to do on the way to the other side of the island to watch the sunset. Catherine made a strange face when he said that - I would think she would be happy that the date was going to last the entire day. I miss when we would get screencaps on Thursday and then everyone would figure them out and we could see it play out on Monday!

Supposedly Shay comes to visit to advise Sean.. It's also her Bday .. And she doesn't meet any of the girls

unicorn*luv wrote:What happened after the sunrise? Sean commented that they had a lot to do on the way to the other side of the island to watch the sunset. Catherine made a strange face when he said that - I would think she would be happy that the date was going to last the entire day. I miss when we would get screencaps on Thursday and then everyone would figure them out and we could see it play out on Monday!

Sean definitely made it sound llike they had lots to do that day but I'm guessing that was just fed to him. I think they may have gone to the island's only casino (which is very close to Point Udall) after the sunrise as we had eyewitness reports saying that they were filming there that day. Maybe then to a beach as we have caps of him with Des on a beach. Then I'm guessing they went back to the Buccaneer to rest. Then took off in the late afternoon for Frederiksted and the sunset. It may be that the beach scene came during the sunset time especially if they were given permission to film at Sandy Point which is one of the most beautiful beaches in the world (and was featured in the final scene of Shawshank Redemption).

unicorn*luv wrote:What happened after the sunrise? Sean commented that they had a lot to do on the way to the other side of the island to watch the sunset. Catherine made a strange face when he said that - I would think she would be happy that the date was going to last the entire day. I miss when we would get screencaps on Thursday and then everyone would figure them out and we could see it play out on Monday!

What strange look? I thought she looked excited. In fact, when Sean says, alright let's go (I'm paraphrasing of course) and everyone starts to cheer, I heard her say Hell Yeah. It was cool to see everyone getting along and excited.

luvstx wrote:

jcrbil wrote:I wonder if, during that visit, Sean challenges Tierra to get it together, or apologize. I think we're reasonably certain that she doesn't leave until Shay comes on the day of the RC.

What do we know about Shay's visit? When did she arrive? Will we see her on camera? I just don't know any of the details.

This is from RS' column:

"Sean’s sister Shay shows up in St. Croix to talk with Sean. Shay doesn’t meet any of the women as far as I know, but, Shay’s birthday is Oct. 25th, and that was the day of the rose ceremony in St. Croix, so Sean had her flown out for her birthday. The day of the rose ceremony is the day that Tierra has her meltdown and basically Sean sends her packing before the rose ceremony ever takes place.

I’m not sure on the exact details if Shay was supposed to meet the women and didn’t because Tierra melts down, or maybe she was supposed to meet Tierra, but then Tierra melted down and it didn’t happen, or maybe she was never supposed to meet the women at all. What I do know is that Shay was brought out there because Sean wanted to see his sister on her birthday and they filmed a segment together."

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