Episode 6 - November 7th - Discussion - Spoilers

Mirzam wrote:Frankly, I really don't care who he chooses, because I can't see a relationship lasting with either of the two girls. Not that stops me from watching! And The Bachelor wouldn't be The Bachelor without the silly drama.

I'm with you there.

northernviewer wrote:I know many seasons, there's a sensitive one that should be let go early if they're not going to be F1 (Jason, Chantal etc) and I think Brad would be that guy to actually do it. I don't think he'd have kept Bianka to the end if he wasn't going to choose her. I see him as a man of character, and think if he was going to choose Whitney, he'd have let her go even before HTD's. I honestly don't think they're going to try to emulate MF's style of drama at the expense of feelings.... I really don't.

You make a good point and I hope you are right. In this episode Bianka said that what really concerns her is spending more time with Brad and then being disappointed or hurt in the end. If after hearing that if Brad is going to pick Whitney I think it would be callous for him not to have let her go this week. It was obvious Kara did not care that much so it would have been better for him to keep her. I would hate to think he has conducted himself so far with such character only to turn around to do something he was told would hurt her.

ja1968 wrote:

northernviewer wrote:I know many seasons, there's a sensitive one that should be let go early if they're not going to be F1 (Jason, Chantal etc) and I think Brad would be that guy to actually do it. I don't think he'd have kept Bianka to the end if he wasn't going to choose her. I see him as a man of character, and think if he was going to choose Whitney, he'd have let her go even before HTD's. I honestly don't think they're going to try to emulate MF's style of drama at the expense of feelings.... I really don't.

You make a good point and I hope you are right. In this episode Bianka said that what really concerns her is spending more time with Brad and then being disappointed or hurt in the end. If after hearing that if Brad is going to pick Whitney I think it would be callous for him not to have let her go this week. It was obvious Kara did not care that much so it would have been better for him to keep her. I would hate to think he has conducted himself so far with such character only to turn around to do something he was told would hurt her.

Remember poor Chantal crying and begging Brad to let her go if she wasn't the one? She ended up F2 to Emily. Of course it all turned out fine for Chantal, Emily, not so much.

Mirzam wrote:

ja1968 wrote:

northernviewer wrote:I know many seasons, there's a sensitive one that should be let go early if they're not going to be F1 (Jason, Chantal etc) and I think Brad would be that guy to actually do it. I don't think he'd have kept Bianka to the end if he wasn't going to choose her. I see him as a man of character, and think if he was going to choose Whitney, he'd have let her go even before HTD's. I honestly don't think they're going to try to emulate MF's style of drama at the expense of feelings.... I really don't.

You make a good point and I hope you are right. In this episode Bianka said that what really concerns her is spending more time with Brad and then being disappointed or hurt in the end. If after hearing that if Brad is going to pick Whitney I think it would be callous for him not to have let her go this week. It was obvious Kara did not care that much so it would have been better for him to keep her. I would hate to think he has conducted himself so far with such character only to turn around to do something he was told would hurt her.

Remember poor Chantal crying and begging Brad to let her go if she wasn't the one? She ended up F2 to Emily. Of course it all turned out fine for Chantal, Emily, not so much.

Yes I remember. My point was that Brad Smith has not been conducting himself in that manner so far and I would hope he would not have done so in this case. He has seemed to be doing things his way so far and not the MF way. Maybe this case was he did maybe not.

ja1968 wrote:

Mirzam wrote:

ja1968 wrote:

northernviewer wrote:I know many seasons, there's a sensitive one that should be let go early if they're not going to be F1 (Jason, Chantal etc) and I think Brad would be that guy to actually do it. I don't think he'd have kept Bianka to the end if he wasn't going to choose her. I see him as a man of character, and think if he was going to choose Whitney, he'd have let her go even before HTD's. I honestly don't think they're going to try to emulate MF's style of drama at the expense of feelings.... I really don't.

You make a good point and I hope you are right. In this episode Bianka said that what really concerns her is spending more time with Brad and then being disappointed or hurt in the end. If after hearing that if Brad is going to pick Whitney I think it would be callous for him not to have let her go this week. It was obvious Kara did not care that much so it would have been better for him to keep her. I would hate to think he has conducted himself so far with such character only to turn around to do something he was told would hurt her.

Remember poor Chantal crying and begging Brad to let her go if she wasn't the one? She ended up F2 to Emily. Of course it all turned out fine for Chantal, Emily, not so much.

Yes I remember. My point was that Brad Smith has not been conducting himself in that manner so far and I would hope he would not have done so in this case. He has seemed to be doing things his way so far and not the MF way. Maybe this case was he did maybe not.

That's my point too.... this isn't MF's production, and all season long, it's been different than the American Bach.... even though, in essence, it follows the same format. A case is being built for each girl as to why they'd be his F1, but the one difference I see is that they are building a case for why Brad won't choose or end up with Whitney... but none for why he wouldn't choose Bianka.

northernviewer wrote:

ja1968 wrote:

Mirzam wrote:

ja1968 wrote:

northernviewer wrote:I know many seasons, there's a sensitive one that should be let go early if they're not going to be F1 (Jason, Chantal etc) and I think Brad would be that guy to actually do it. I don't think he'd have kept Bianka to the end if he wasn't going to choose her. I see him as a man of character, and think if he was going to choose Whitney, he'd have let her go even before HTD's. I honestly don't think they're going to try to emulate MF's style of drama at the expense of feelings.... I really don't.

You make a good point and I hope you are right. In this episode Bianka said that what really concerns her is spending more time with Brad and then being disappointed or hurt in the end. If after hearing that if Brad is going to pick Whitney I think it would be callous for him not to have let her go this week. It was obvious Kara did not care that much so it would have been better for him to keep her. I would hate to think he has conducted himself so far with such character only to turn around to do something he was told would hurt her.

Remember poor Chantal crying and begging Brad to let her go if she wasn't the one? She ended up F2 to Emily. Of course it all turned out fine for Chantal, Emily, not so much.

Yes I remember. My point was that Brad Smith has not been conducting himself in that manner so far and I would hope he would not have done so in this case. He has seemed to be doing things his way so far and not the MF way. Maybe this case was he did maybe not.

That's my point too.... this isn't MF's production, and all season long, it's been different than the American Bach.... even though, in essence, it follows the same format. A case is being built for each girl as to why they'd be his F1, but the one difference I see is that they are building a case for why Brad won't choose or end up with Whitney... but none for why he wouldn't choose Bianka.

Which is why I can't be totally convinced at this point he does pick Bianka. I can totally see the blindside coming.

I think we will just have to wait and see at this point since we do not have a Canadian RS.

I have been team Bianka since Mexico and for me one of the most telling moments in the episode was at the start of the RC. Brad states "I can honestly see myself proposing at the end of this." IMO, he can only be referencing his relationship with Bianka. He has to be completely unsure of Whit at this moment.

I also think JoJo makes a valid point with the editing of the conversations between Whit and Brad. It's all just way too inconsistent. I would agree that some conversation took place before the "RC" which seemed very staged. None of the girls reacted in a genuine way to the RC.

Force Four does not have the same editing vibe as MF. I believe we are seeing Brad's ending to this story. Whit is his bachelor party, Bianka is the one he has fallen in love with.

ja1968 wrote: I think we will just have to wait and see at this point since we do not have a Canadian RS.

I am glad we don't. It is much more fun without one.

Mr&MrsSmith wrote:I have been team Bianka since Mexico and for me one of the most telling moments in the episode was at the start of the RC. Brad states "I can honestly see myself proposing at the end of this." IMO, he can only be referencing his relationship with Bianka. He has to be completely unsure of Whit at this moment.

I also think JoJo makes a valid point with the editing of the conversations between Whit and Brad. It's all just way too inconsistent. I would agree that some conversation took place before the "RC" which seemed very staged. None of the girls reacted in a genuine way to the RC.

Force Four does not have the same editing vibe as MF. I believe we are seeing Brad's ending to this story. Whit is his bachelor party, Bianka is the one he has fallen in love with.

The bolded is a good point. There's no way he's referencing Kara, he let her go. His issues with Whitney are not resolved. It can only be Bianka. Maybe this is the instance where early resolution to the conflict tells us/confirms who is F1.

Mirzam wrote:

ja1968 wrote: I think we will just have to wait and see at this point since we do not have a Canadian RS.

I am glad we don't. It is much more fun without one.

I think a loud AMEN can be heard around both countries

I too am not seeing any great love story developing with either girl, from what the edit has shown us anyway.... however, I do see a connection between Brad and Bianka that could have possibilities under normal circumstances in the outside world.

I'm going to have some faith in my countrymen and hope that they don't sink to MF's level of messing with people's lives for the sake of a few hrs of tv drama. Bianka is extremely gun-shy in the trust department, and getting Brad to take her to the end isjust to dump her, is just a shitty thing to do ..... and you can bet your bottom dollar that MF would be trying to steer Brad in that direction and convince him to dump her - just like he does every season

northernviewer wrote:

Mirzam wrote:

ja1968 wrote: I think we will just have to wait and see at this point since we do not have a Canadian RS.

I am glad we don't. It is much more fun without one.

I think a loud AMEN can be heard around both countries

I too am not seeing any great love story developing with either girl, from what the edit has shown us anyway.... however, I do see a connection between Brad and Bianka that could have possibilities under normal circumstances in the outside world.

I'm going to have some faith in my countrymen and hope that they don't sink to MF's level of messing with people's lives for the sake of a few hrs of tv drama. Bianka is extremely gun-shy in the trust department, and getting Brad to take her to the end isjust to dump her, is just a shitty thing to do ..... and you can bet your bottom dollar that MF would be trying to steer Brad in that direction and convince him to dump her - just like he does every season

The one thing they may have going in their favour is that they probably won't have any of the rag mags following their every move. I really wonder if that is some of the reason why these relationships end so quickly. The magazines in the States are relentless in trying, and often succeeding, to find dirt to publish.