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Post by cfck2222 Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:04 am

albean99 wrote:I disagree with a bunch of the why JP is f1 and would add some for Ben but can't be bothered. Out of all the pro-JP ones there's really only 2 or 3 that make me think he could be f1. I'm just not convinced until we see more. It's way too early to decide for sure. RS has been wrong before and Fleiss is crafty so anything could happen. The edit tomorrow should prove very interesting. :Nod:

It's too bad you can't be bothered because Love_Me wants a master list of everything that could be an indication either way. That's why I started the list. None of the reasons for or against either guy is indisputable. As far as RS being wrong before that's why I put RS in both categories of why JP is F1 and why he's not.

The list isn't there so people can decide for sure. It's just a reference which is why I'm trying to get all the specific quotes and tweets and stuff before finalizing it. I'll keep updating it too.

I updated the list to reflect that Ben is not the only person with access to the evolvewines twitter. I'm just taking reason's word for that so hopefully it's true.


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Post by bing2262 Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:05 am

reason wrote:The thing is Ben is not the only person who has access to the twitter account his best friend I am sure has access to it too, and he could be the one who retweet it but talking here is not always seen as welcome if you are not on the JP side.

Reason...your post is welcome here. The thing is Ben's partner would not have known the twitter accounts of the Bachelor contestants such as Michelle Money and Shawntel , Britt and others. Those tweets were obviously sent by Ben or if sent by his partner (doubtful)with his knowledge. It seems Ben is in charge of the marketing/ publicity of their wine and winery and has control of their social media accounts.
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Post by Guest Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:10 am

Ben was away who to tell if when he was gone he did not give access to his business partner/best friend we dont know the arrangement to that. Anything is possible and should be taken into account. If ben best friend is single who is to tell he dont know the names of the girls?? nothing is off the board we are all speculating, none of us are with them or even know them in reallife.

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Post by klarson79 Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:13 am

Thanks, cfck!!! That list is great.

It still all adds up to JP for me. I will be absolutely shocked if it is Ben. Just don't see it at all.

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Post by chaslom4 Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:24 am

I guarantee if we had the same thing going on with JP with the tweeting and sightings, we would be scrutinizing them just as much. Who is the most visible of the F2 has been something that has been used as a clue to the F1 in the past. Maybe Bens tweeting means nothing, but I don't think it can be overlooked either. It raises a big ole red flag for me, but that's JMO.
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Post by bing2262 Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:25 am

cfck2222 wrote:
Samantharose wrote:
Alanna wrote:Thanks so much cfck! Nice list! I would add retweeting the lost angeles blog to why Ben is not F1, but that's JMO.

and posting pics on Face Book.
I'm not sure what this means? If you could explain more I'll put it in there. I added Ben retweeting the snarky lost angeles blog. I think a lot of the things posted are disputed as far as their significance so I think it's OK to include it.

I added Blondiegal having a source saying JP is F1 but I remember Blondiegal saying it wasn't necessarily who she'd consider her best source?

I also added the CH quote that pattycake92 posted.

I already had Ashley saying bye to JP in the JKL interview on the list.

LOL northernviewer!
Keep posting stuff and I'll posted an updated list tomorrow. Thanks everybody!

More reasons why JP is F1.....
1.His nickname is cupcake and Ashley wants to be called cupcake.(silly reason)
2.He has the best kisses by far according to Ashley
3.JP's dad is following RS . Why would he be interested in RS if JP is not F1?
4.According to Ashley, JP is the total package for her, with emphasis on her. She also mentioned Ben was the the total package.
5. There was an article on LS that said Ashley's fiance had been heartbroken before but now a changed and happy man.

Why Ben is not F1:
1. His vlog after his 1-1 date was dull and lifeless. Does not show any enthusiasm for Ashley in the future unlike JP's vlog
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Post by klarson79 Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:27 am

chaslom4 wrote:I guarantee if we had the same thing going on with JP with the tweeting and sightings, we would be scrutinizing them just as much. Who is the most visible of the F2 has been something that has been used as a clue to the F1 in the past. Maybe Bens tweeting means nothing, but I don't think it can be overlooked either. It raises a big ole red flag for me, but that's JMO.

I agree

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Post by northernviewer Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:29 am

Nibbles22 wrote:
northernviewer wrote:I've got a Pro Ben and Con JP reason for you that is pretty much 100% foolproof season after season .....NV sees the romance with JP but doesn't with Ben..... and that my friends is money in the bank giggling Embarassed :rosiecolored
I KNEW you'd love that new smilie!! :rosiecolored :giggle:

:rosiecolored cloud nine :animated heart :lovehearts: blowkiss :sweetheart: :inlove Jumping hearts :rosiecolored


yep, I'm all about the romance and have been a member of the Rose Coloured Glasses Club for years. ....... I'm sticking with going for the guy or girl I see the romance with and to hell with being right! One of these seasons I'm going to be back the winner - I just know it and I'm finally going to actually get to enjoy the twirl. giggling

Could this be the season that I get to sip champagne wine instead of eating crow?? :vomit:


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Post by Samantharose Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:30 am

bing2262 wrote:
cfck2222 wrote:
Samantharose wrote:
Alanna wrote:Thanks so much cfck! Nice list! I would add retweeting the lost angeles blog to why Ben is not F1, but that's JMO.

and posting pics on Face Book.
I'm not sure what this means? If you could explain more I'll put it in there. I added Ben retweeting the snarky lost angeles blog. I think a lot of the things posted are disputed as far as their significance so I think it's OK to include it.

I added Blondiegal having a source saying JP is F1 but I remember Blondiegal saying it wasn't necessarily who she'd consider her best source?

I also added the CH quote that pattycake92 posted.

I already had Ashley saying bye to JP in the JKL interview on the list.

LOL northernviewer!
Keep posting stuff and I'll posted an updated list tomorrow. Thanks everybody!

More reasons why JP is F1.....
1.His nickname is cupcake and Ashley wants to be called cupcake.(silly reason)
2.He has the best kisses by far according to Ashley
3.JP's dad is following RS . Why would he be interested in RS if JP is not F1?
4.According to Ashley, JP is the total package for her, with emphasis on her. She also mentioned Ben was the the total package.
5. There was an article on LS that said Ashley's fiance had been heartbroken before but now a changed and happy man.

Why Ben is not F1:
1. His vlog after his 1-1 date was dull and lifeless. Does not show any enthusiasm for Ashley in the future unlike JP's vlog
.

JP's dad is following RS? I can't keep up! giggling
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Post by bing2262 Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:50 am

Somebody posted a while back that JP's dad Peter Rosenbaum is following RS on twitter.I just don't remember what specifc thread.


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Post by Diana Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:50 am

So much stuff points to JP.
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Post by Guest Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:50 am

chaslom4 wrote:I guarantee if we had the same thing going on with JP with the tweeting and sightings, we would be scrutinizing them just as much. Who is the most visible of the F2 has been something that has been used as a clue to the F1 in the past. Maybe Bens tweeting means nothing, but I don't think it can be overlooked either. It raises a big ole red flag for me, but that's JMO.
Absolutely and we'd be wondering why he's tweeting to former bachelorettes too and other bachelor 'clan' before the show has ended. But he's not, so we post what we got and right now that's Ben's tweets and interacting with them.

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