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Parkhillian wrote:I don't do Twitter, so will someone who does, please let me know if there are any new and interesting tweets?

If only we had a thread for that....
Not much is new around here as far as Twitter goes.

Thanks mnmhughes! I saw a lot of activity on this thread and thought there might be something new to read.

Nibbles22 wrote:

beader wrote:

Nibbles22 wrote:Probably feel differently if it were an Arie related Company!

I wouldn't. Most companies donate to worthy causes in one way or the other--they just don't advertise it--they just do it. The advertising of drop for drop is what I don't care for. Who knows what that means? I guess some people want expensive water in plastic bottles--their choice. It's just not mine. But it has no bearing on whether it's 1F's or Arie's company.

That is the fundamental makeup of PW, and why it was established. It only makes sense to advertise it as such. Honestly, this would NOT be an issue if it was a company run by Arie! In fact I've asked numerous times for someone to specifically tell me what Arie does to give back, and I'm not talking about sales for his 'team Arie' tshirts either! It's just another ridiculous topic for Arie fans to find fault with Jef, and quite frankly it's getting old!

Jef is the one who brought his company into the conversation with the blatent marketing and PR tie-ins between PW and the Bachelorette. At this point, he and PW are practically synonymous because he used the show as a messaging platform for his company. The two could have remained mutually exclusive such as the careers of the other contestants have been this season, i.e. I am a big fan of Sean's but couldn't tell you which brand of insurance he is employed by.

I distinctly remember the brouhaha about Jessie C. of DeAnna's season being on TB to promote his various business entities and how wrong everyone thought it was at the time. The disdain was immense.

The sticking point for me is not really about the nitty gritty of the PW messaging, it's the overall "strategy" aspect of it. It lends itself to a feeling of calculation and manipulation - both of which are attributes that people have also applied to certain aspects of Jef's behavior on the show with some of his tactics and borrowed content speeches. The two combined give me a sense of unease about the whole thing but I'm not the one doing the picking.

NCGalBecca wrote:

Nibbles22 wrote:

beader wrote:

Nibbles22 wrote:Probably feel differently if it were an Arie related Company!

I wouldn't. Most companies donate to worthy causes in one way or the other--they just don't advertise it--they just do it. The advertising of drop for drop is what I don't care for. Who knows what that means? I guess some people want expensive water in plastic bottles--their choice. It's just not mine. But it has no bearing on whether it's 1F's or Arie's company.

That is the fundamental makeup of PW, and why it was established. It only makes sense to advertise it as such. Honestly, this would NOT be an issue if it was a company run by Arie! In fact I've asked numerous times for someone to specifically tell me what Arie does to give back, and I'm not talking about sales for his 'team Arie' tshirts either! It's just another ridiculous topic for Arie fans to find fault with Jef, and quite frankly it's getting old!

Jef is the one who brought his company into the conversation with the blatent marketing and PR tie-ins between PW and the Bachelorette. At this point, he and PW are practically synonymous because he used the show as a messaging platform for his company. The two could have remained mutually exclusive such as the careers of the other contestants have been this season, i.e. I am a big fan of Sean's but couldn't tell you which brand of insurance he is employed by.

I distinctly remember the brouhaha about Jessie C. of DeAnna's season being on TB to promote his various business entities and how wrong everyone thought it was at the time. The disdain was immense.

The sticking point for me is not really about the nitty gritty of the PW messaging, it's the overall "strategy" aspect of it. It lends itself to a feeling of calculation and manipulation - both of which are attributes that people have also applied to certain aspects of Jef's behavior on the show with some of his tactics and borrowed content speeches. The two combined give me a sense of unease about the whole thing but I'm not the one doing the picking.

Same could be said for Ben Flajnik, he brought his wine company front
and center during Ashley's season by bringing a bottle of his wine and
two glasses; then continued to promote his company when he was the lead.
Every single person who comes on this show does it for a not altruistic purpose. It's all good.

Roberto also reaped the benefits for his State Farm agency when he opened it in California after being on the Bachelorette.

Sme could be said for Brad and Ben and several others as well .. Not a new concept at all

Jeepers wrote:Sme could be said for Brad and Ben and several others as well .. Not a new concept at all

IMO, Graham's 46NYC is the most obvious. As I've said before - go for it! Why not take advantage of free publicity?

Nibbles22 wrote:

beader wrote:

Nibbles22 wrote:Probably feel differently if it were an Arie related Company!

I wouldn't. Most companies donate to worthy causes in one way or the other--they just don't advertise it--they just do it. The advertising of drop for drop is what I don't care for. Who knows what that means? I guess some people want expensive water in plastic bottles--their choice. It's just not mine. But it has no bearing on whether it's 1F's or Arie's company.

That is the fundamental makeup of PW, and why it was established. It only makes sense to advertise it as such. Honestly, this would NOT be an issue if it was a company run by Arie! In fact I've asked numerous times for someone to specifically tell me what Arie does to give back, and I'm not talking about sales for his 'team Arie' tshirts either! It's just another ridiculous topic for Arie fans to find fault with Jef, and quite frankly it's getting old!

I don't believe these discussions have anything to do with any fan base, but if it makes you feel better to believe that, then so be it. Your comments look like an attack on Arie fans to me. Honestly, I haven't seen where you asked about Arie giving back, but what difference does that make? This isn't a tit-for-tat board. It's a message board about a silly television show that encompasses a lot of different subjects. This particular subject, I happen to have some interest in, unlike discussing what color Jef's tank top is today. I don't like being accused of believing in something because I am or am not a fan of a certain contestant of this ridiculous show. If you really want to know who I'm a fan of - it's Sean, and it's been that way since the day I found out he played football for my alma mater - another subject that I'm passionate about. When I found out that 1F started a bottled water company, it was just another dent in his armor for me. I'm not as passionate about being anti-racing or anti-insurance company or anti-vampire hunter, etc. If others are, they are certainly welcome to do their own research and present it to the message board for discussion.

I personally think that jlc's discussion is more about the legalities of PW's marketing scheme instead of their accounting practices, but I can see some overlap in the two aspects of the subject. For me, it's more about the bottled water business in general. It just seems really ironic to me that a company whose purpose is to "do good" in underdeveloped countries made the decision to start a business that is not good for the environment in any way.

I do understand that some people may be questioning the charitable aspects of the company but they have always said that they are a for profit company with some money going to charity - if people aren't happy with the answer and want more specifics - write them, e-mail them, text them.

Honestly, even reputable,registered charities don't give 100% of their donations to the charity - there is always overhead that needs to be paid for.y
Anyone donating to any charity needs to check it out before handing over hard-earned cash.

I've seen people commenting on the fact that the CEO of PeopleWater drives a flashy car and lives in an expensive house - don't condemn him too much before checking out what the CEO's of 'registered charities' earn - they are certainly not doing the job for free.

Marsha J. Evans, President and CEO of the American Red Cross... salary for year ending 06/30/03 was $651,957 plMus expenses.

Brian Gallagher, President of the United Way receives a $375,000 base salary, plus numerous expense benefits.

The Salvation Army's Commissioner Todd Bassett receives a salary of only $13,000 per year (plus housing) for managing this $2 billion dollar organization.

Now, if you have to give during the next natural disaster - think about it before donating.

That said - Have their been any new tweets today???

just logic wrote:I do understand that some people may be questioning the charitable aspects of the company but they have always said that they are a for profit company with some money going to charity - if people aren't happy with the answer and want more specifics - write them, e-mail them, text them.

Honestly, even reputable,registered charities don't give 100% of their donations to the charity - there is always overhead that needs to be paid for.y
Anyone donating to any charity needs to check it out before handing over hard-earned cash.

I've seen people commenting on the fact that the CEO of PeopleWater drives a flashy car and lives in an expensive house - don't condemn him too much before checking out what the CEO's of 'registered charities' earn - they are certainly not doing the job for free.

Marsha J. Evans, President and CEO of the American Red Cross... salary for year ending 06/30/03 was $651,957 plMus expenses.

Brian Gallagher, President of the United Way receives a $375,000 base salary, plus numerous expense benefits.

The Salvation Army's Commissioner Todd Bassett receives a salary of only $13,000 per year (plus housing) for managing this $2 billion dollar organization.

Now, if you have to give during the next natural disaster - think about it before donating.

That said - Have their been any new tweets today???

I want to add this one to your list of salaries for people who run charities:

The CEO of Komen’s salary in 2010 was $459,406

Barbara Harrison ‏@sassiegrammie
@EmilyMaynard Jef Em perfect JEF luvs Jef Emily Emily luvs self So glad u did nt chse Sean Hes a christain

Emily Maynard ‏@EmilyMaynard
@sassiegrammie yeah because nothing says Christian like harassing someone you don't know on Twitter?

July 19 12:12PM

Perfect comeback from Emily!

northernviewer wrote:I personally don't like company's who use "a portion will go to charity" as an advertising gimmick. Donate to a charity outright, if that's what you want to do.... but if you're doing it to line your own pocket, to me it's not "charitable" anymore. Just a bunch of self righteous mumbo jumbo..... especially for those who "claim" to be Christian as Jesus taught his followers to "not let your right hand know what your left hand is doing"

Fundraisers are different though, as all proceeds (meaning after costs of products are deducted) go directly to the charity and no profit is made, so advertise away!

I can speak to this from experience. Unless, absolutely everything is donated to a non-profit, then there is no way the entire dollar donated to an organization goes directly to the charity of interest - even after the cost of the product is covered. A nonprofit has to pay for lights, water, operating costs, insurances, paper, pencils, postage, salaries - the very same thing that any for profit business has to pay for. People who run nonprofits and charities have to eat, provide a home, pay taxes and the like too. The difference in the nonprofit and forprofit is more in the fact that one will help others and make a positive difference and other makes money for the sake of making money.

Even donating to a charity directly has overhead costs associated to it. And its importnat to know that some charities have greater overheads than another doing the exact same thing! A charity operating in California, for instance, has more overhead expenses then one operating in a small town in Iowa just because it is more costly to run business in one state than another. One charity may boast that 90% of your donation will go to the cause you are supporting (let's say shoes to orphans in Africa) while the other charity says only 75% goes to the cause you are supporting. You would THINK that the first charity is better because more of your money is being used for the cause. And you could be very wrong. Why? Because the 2nd charity makes the effort to send a paid staff member to Africa with the shoes and makes sure that the shoes are fitted to the feet of the children before going home, while the other just puts the shoes on a plane and hopes that it doesn't become contraband stolen on the tarmack by rebels (which happens often). So...your generous donation may well help no one in the end...but the numbers sure can make you feel good.

The fact that there is a business out there, who sells a product that our country values and shares ANY portion of their proceeds with others is what needs to be acknowledged. And if using the platform of this show that makes a habit out of snacking on its contestants brings about some kind of good in this or any other country, then that's something noteworthy and not shameful.

I worked for a nonprofit that is fairly high profile in our country. I know that a bottom dollar is not a bottom dollar. I watched great charities getting slammed in the media for having high fund-raising costs often, and no where in their criticism is the explanation, that that particular charities' fund-raising expense is so high because they were brand new and just getting their message out (why would Salvation Army need to invest much into fund-raising campaigns when their name is so widely known?) And would it not stand to reason that one organization would have a high fund-raising expenses when a hurricane wipes out their office, or a bridge, or their medical clinic and they have to start all over? Amazing how the media is always so selective about how much truth they want to share!

I encourage everyone to find causes that they are passionate about and study nonprofits who have outreaches into those interests. Find the one that makes you feel comfortable and support it. Together, in great and small ways, we can impact our world in a positive way. As for People Water the nonprofit, I know nothing of them. But, I will say, there is village somewhere in this world who is enjoying clean running water because someone behind that organization thought it was important to give a portion of whatever they received to drill a well.

And as a side note, I will add that not all Christians or nonprofits are hypocrits, cheats, or selfish. Yup...some are. And it unfortunate that we are a society who tends to look at the negative. But good is winning. And I'm more than sure there are good people in People Water with the intent of doing something good with their proceeds that they don't ever have to share with the needy. It is very easy for them to change their mission and bylaws and keep all the money in their pockets.