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Post by Kelad9 Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:25 pm

sgjsnow wrote:I still think the dot.dot.dot comment is what has caused so much trouble for her and the show. I think she was looking forward to exploring the dot.dot.dot with Bentley in the future at least in the beginning after he said it. I think now she wants at this point in the show to just get it over with Bentley cause she is more interested in a couple of the guys that remain over him. Well, that is what I thought she was saying when she was talking to CH. The other commentary from her about Bentley I can't trust cause it is a VO and maybe spliced/diced.

She says to CH, "I just want a clean break, so I can start a real, honest relationship." To me she already saying she wants to break it off with Bentley before she even meets up with him again so that she wants a relationship with someone else.

I got that same feeling exactly. thanks for describing it perfectly. Smiley and Alanna I agree with you that it isn't hopeless yet this season & yup she did say it felt like cheating so that there says a lot about where she is in terms of feelings for the other guys. She is over bentley by this time IMO. I bet that after Hong Kong, we're going to see a much different Ashley. Probably a happier one & a bit more stable emotionally. JMO.


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Post by Guest Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:26 pm

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Alexxxx wrote:beader -- I answered this last night in the show thread.

This show has made a fool out of Ashley, made a fool out of her F1, and I'm a fool for watching it.

It's the perfect mix of comedy and drama for me. I'm not really looking for a love story, I laugh at the absurdity of it all. And, usually there's one person each season that I really like. Not necessarily the lead, usually not the F1, but one -- somebody -- nonetheless that I enjoy watching.

Who is it this season Alexxx? If you don't mind my asking.

This season has been tougher than most, being The Bent One show and all. But if I had to choose one person to go hang out with for an afternoon, it would be Ben F. And if Ryan, Blake, Mickey, Lucas, Connie and Ames wanted to come hang out too, that would be good. And I'd want to sit in between Ben F (to keep my wine glass full) and Ames (for stimulating conversation). There, yeah, I think that's it. yes

Would you please invite me to this little get together?? :loveflower:

Nutty... I love your avi! Too cute. That date, IMO, was chopped to bits... and ALL of their kisses mysteriously *poofed* into thin air. 🇳🇴 Rolling Eyes

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Post by beader Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:28 pm

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anders wrote:I read these boards and I think she’s a moron, and if I was allowed to use certain language I would.

Just curious, and I mean no offense--when someone feels this way about the lead in a show, why do they spend so much time watching it and reading/writing on a board that discusses it? Having this much negativity going through one's mind can't be a good thing.

Actually, I'd like to see posts from anyone about this subject. Is it truly an addiction? Is this just what Fleiss wants from his viewers? Some say Ashley is (insert negative word of your choice). But what does that say about those who continue to watch the show, hating most everything about it, and continue to spend valuable time reading/writing about it on boards. Other shows on TV that we don't like, we just don't watch. Why is TB so different?

Are you kidding...?

You just defined 'must-see TV' for me!

Oh, good one! Thanks! Thanks to all who commented. Actually, I think it would make a great subject for a psych. paper.

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Post by northernviewer Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:37 pm

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northernviewer wrote:I haven't read the comments on her blog, but I have to wonder if people would be giving Ashley a bit of a break if she hadn't been forewarned about him before the season even started? I know I feel some pity for her because she's only going by what he said to her personally about going home because of her daughter...,.. BUT she was warned by Michelle about his motives and fell hook line and sinker anyway, disregarding the heads up and actually seemed to be more intrigued by him instead of looking at him with a red flag over his head. At least this is what irks me about the whole situation.

I think they would! I've read around different message boards and people are mad at her because she was warned about Bentley yet she can't seem to get over him. They don't understand how she could still be hung up on a guy who left and not seem to care about the other guys. A lot of people say she looks bored on all of her dates and is just going through the motions. At this point people are feeling sorry for the F1. All of this could change once the Bentley Show is officially over but it's not looking to good right now.

It doesn't help that she wouldn't listen to Chris Harrison either; so she not only didn't listen to Michelle, but she really kept going right over the top of Chris's head when he tried to help her and reason with her.
Although the scorn is difficult to read, we can't expect the viewers to be delighted with her.

that's true, I'd forgotten that CH did try to discourage her, without actually coming right and telling her what he probably was told about all the PI footage. I can kinda understand her predicament, but I think all of her actions just reaffirms all of our concerns that Ashley wasn't going to be able to handle the role of lead this season. I can't say I'm shocked as to how the season is progressing though.
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Post by Love_Me Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:53 pm

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20504179,00.html

Bachelorette Blog: Why Ben F. Has the 'Total Package'

By Ashley Hebert

I can't even tell you how much better I was feeling this week as we headed north to Chiang Mai. With so many great dates and memorable moments in Phuket, I was so excited to see where these relationships would go next!

Ben [Flajnik] stood out to me more than anyone else on the orphanage date the week prior. He was funny, witty, artistic and great with the kids. On top of that, he looked great in a beanie! I could not wait to take him on the first date in Chiang Mai, a city of great cultural significance.

At the marketplace, we were able to listen to Thai music, taste Thai cuisine (which happens to be my favorite) and visit one of the oldest temples in the world. I learned from this date that Ben was the total package. He was easy to be around, interesting to talk to, and had so much depth to him. All I wanted to do was kiss him, but just my luck – we were at one of the holiest places in Thailand and could not kiss. The tension was tangible.

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All I have to say about the Muay Thai date is ... group date gone wrong! I love being active and looking at the guys' bodies. I knew they did, too, but I had no idea just how intense this was going to be.

Not only was it 100 degrees in the training area but also the trainers were no joke. I found myself scared that if I did something wrong they would try to fight me! But the guys got a good workout and all proved to me that they could definitely keep up with me. After this, I'm not sure I could keep up with them!

I knew the guys would be fighting each other, but had NO IDEA they would take it as seriously as they did. It seemed as if they were taking out some hidden aggression on each other! They were kicking and punching as hard as they could. I never thought it would go as far as it did. Poor Ames was a trooper. We did send him to the hospital, but luckily he was okay. Cheers to you, Ames!

Double Elimination Date
Looking back, I have to say that this date was the date I dreaded most this entire season. I know how stressful and awkward it can be for all parties, and knowing I was sending someone home in the middle of the date made it difficult to really enjoy it.

William and Ben C. were both guys that at one point, I felt something for. At this point, I was questioning my relationships with both of the guys – I was looking for a change of heart with at least one of them. When William told me that Ben had questionable intentions, I reacted very quickly.

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I found myself growing angry and realized that it wasn't worth keeping anyone here if they were even somewhat concerned about their online date-ability after they left. But sending Ben home was not based solely on what William brought to my attention – it was a combination of us both having questionable feelings for one another.

This date then turned into a one-on-one date with William and almost immediately I knew I wasn't feeling the same way I did on our first date. So much had happened since then, and there was certainly no turning back.

Bentley on My Mind
During this deliberation, you saw me talk about "thinking of Bentley." As much as everyone (including myself) is annoyed with the mere mention of his name, I hope people will understand how mystified I was when he left. At that point, I was almost beyond the intensity of feelings I had for Bentley with other guys and in fairness to them, needed to be sure that the "dot-dot-dot" Bentley gave me became a period.

I still felt like Bentley was an obstacle that prevented me from fully committing to other guys, and I was starting to become concerned that the guys were feeling my hesitation as well. I needed to be sure that I could still trust my instinct and that this journey would work for me. I needed answers.

Until next week, thanks everyone.
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Post by Love_Me Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:54 pm

Did Ashley add this screencap of her and Ben kissing or did People include this in her blog?

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Post by Love_Me Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:54 pm

The Bachelorette Travel Guide

Chiang Mai Thailand


By: Ashley Hebert

I had already fallen in love with Thailand after our week in Phuket, but my time in Chiang Mai only solidified that love affair. Chiang Mai is the first place I've ever traveled unlike anywhere I've ever been. My jaw dropped when I entered the gates of the Mandarin Oriental Dhari Devi (in a Rolls Royce nonetheless!). The tiered roofs with towers and the white elevated driveway resembled a Thai palace. It was incredible! The grounds are immaculate and every path you turn down holds a new scent, a new architectural style, and a new ornate artifact to help capture the essence of Chiang Mai. I remember being so excited for the men to arrive so they could experience this magical place with me. (And the surprise sweets and fruits they left bedside was something I looked forward to every night I got back to my villa!)

I decided to take Ben F. on the first date after falling even more for him at the orphanage in Phuket. I saw such a creative and unique side to him that I knew he would make exploring the streets of Chiang Mai fun. And boy was I right! From the moment we departed in a tuk-tuk, I felt so at ease. We were hot and sweaty but I think we both were too busy taking in the sights and sounds of this 700-year-old town to care. Knowing he has an artistic side to him, I was hoping Ben would get into the umbrella making I had planned. The creations these women put together at The Umbrella Factory are so cool. You can see every stage of the process it takes to make a paper umbrella. I don't think anyone would want to purchase ours, but we loved them!

With our souvenirs in hand, we jumped back in our tuk-tuk and headed to the Thae Pae Gate street market inside the old city walls. The shopper in me kicked in immediately and Ben passed the boyfriend test by buying himself a shirt to wear later that night. You have to admit it's a bonus to have a man who doesn't mind shopping! A funny thing is that a number of people would come up to us thinking Ben F was Raphael Nadal! Apparently he gets that a lot. After we explored the market, eating unique foods and playing with a street band, I brought Ben to a significant place. There are over 300 Buddhist temples (called "wat" in Thai) around the city, and we happened to be close to one of the oldest. Now, the Monks have a rule that you can't kiss or be affectionate within the sacred religious place. I thought it was going to be hard to keep my hands off of Ben, but I think we both were blown away by the feeling that came over us when we were at the base of the large chedi. It was built in 1345 and it is the most sacred structure I've ever seen. I can't put into words what I felt in that place. I think we both felt a lot that day, and it brought us even closer that night when we had a romantic dinner on the lawn of the Mandarin Oriental Dhara Devi. Having dancers perform for us, and the fire breathers light up the night sky, we really immersed ourselves in Chiang Mai's heritage.

The next day, I woke up feeling giddy about the date I had planned for the eight guys. I thought for sure they would love a day at the gym (they all comment about not being able to work out enough!) but I may have gone a bit overboard in planning this one. I got to Lanna Muay Thai Gym early to start training. When the guys pulled up, they seemed stoked to find out they were going to train with real Muay Thai kickboxing professionals. Muay Thai is Thailand's national sport and has really gotten popular in the US as well. Fighters come from all over the world to train here, but I think they take it a bit more seriously than I wanted my men to take it. After training for hours, the guys were loaded up in a songthaew (songthaew means "two rows" in Thai and rather accurately describes the local pick-up trucks that act as buses), and taken to 3 Kings Monument to fight. I think they all got a little excited in the ring with the locals watching, because they went at one another with a force that really scared me. I felt horrible watching Ames leave in an ambulance, but I have to admit; he got wonderful care at the public hospital and only had to pay $12 for all the testing he had done! I know people say this show is about having twenty-five guys live in a house and fight for a girl, but I promise this is not what I had in mind!

We ended the night back at our "palace" at the Royal Villa, and fortunately the night turned out great. We all seemed to turn a corner when Ames returned, and the guys were more excited about what they had just experienced and I didn't feel as guilty for hosting such a bloody beat down!

I'm not going to lie, as intense as the group date got, nothing compared to the anxiety I was feeling before my date with William and Ben C. Ugh!! I know all about two-on-ones from my date with Brad and Ashley, so I tried my best to make the guys feel comfortable from the beginning. And what better way to relax then to float down the Ping River on a bamboo raft?! Ben C kept saying he felt like he was in a movie and I know exactly what he meant. Mountains and lush countryside surround Chiang Mai, and there is no better place to see that than from the Maetaman Elephant Sanctuary an hour outside of town. I tried to plan such a peaceful date since I knew it would inherently be stressful, but I wasn't prepared for the abrupt departure. I really liked Ben, but after hearing what William said, I knew it was only a matter of time before I sent Ben home, or he left on his own accord. It was hard to have that happen mid day, but fortunately we had some of the most amazing creatures on earth to get the date flowing again. Now, you didn't get to see this on TV, but I have always wanted to ride an elephant but I never thought I'd have the opportunity to do so. I have to admit, it was a bit scary climbing on and feeling the elephant stand up to such great height, but once I realized they are playful creatures, I felt at ease. William's elephant kept splashing me and I loved watching William's expression as he sauntered along. I'll never forget that experience. The dinner that night I'd rather forget though. I hated saying goodbye to someone that I connected so strongly with early on, but I felt that fire going out and had to be honest.

If I realized anything in the impressive city of Chiang Mai, it is that time is precious. I want to end this journey with an engagement that is sacred and meaningful, and I feel that after being in such a spiritual surrounding, I got one step closer to that dream.
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Post by Guest Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:12 pm

Thanks, Love_me. Well those blogs point to Ben being her F1 for sure, especially the last sentence of the last blog
If I realized anything in the impressive city of Chiang Mai, it is that time is precious. I want to end this journey with an engagement that is sacred and meaningful, and I feel that after being in such a spiritual surrounding, I got one step closer to that dream..

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Post by ironcat Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:13 pm

anders wrote:
beader wrote:
anders wrote:I read these boards and I think she’s a moron, and if I was allowed to use certain language I would.

Just curious, and I mean no offense--when someone feels this way about the lead in a show, why do they spend so much time watching it and reading/writing on a board that discusses it? Having this much negativity going through one's mind can't be a good thing.

Actually, I'd like to see posts from anyone about this subject. Is it truly an addiction? Is this just what Fleiss wants from his viewers? Some say Ashley is (insert negative word of your choice). But what does that say about those who continue to watch the show, hating most everything about it, and continue to spend valuable time reading/writing about it on boards. Other shows on TV that we don't like, we just don't watch. Why is TB so different?

oh and being completely obsessed with a lead picking a certain person is a good thing?? At least I watch with no delusions that this is real or that a 'love story' is unfolding before my eyes. I watch for the trainwreck that it is – pure entertainment, and maybe that is a form of self torture but isn’t that my prerogative?

Everyone has their own reasons for watching the show. For me, it's not the same reason every season because it depends on who the lead is, and who the contestants are. I only watched one season where I really couldn't stand the lead (Jake), and knowing in advance that it was going to be a trainwreck since he picked Vienna, I watched it purely for that reason. Yet others were cooing over the love story between him and Ali, or Gia, or even Vienna at the end, and I held my tongue for the most part, because there's no accounting for taste. This season, it seems that if you don't find JP interesting or attractive, now that he is the presumed F1, the default position is that the whole season must be a joke and Ashley's a moron, and that's fine if you feel that way. That others, including myself, can see and enjoy watching the chemistry between the couple develop, and can hope that maybe it might work out for them at least for a while, should be respected as well.

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Post by mnmhughes Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:19 pm

Gina wrote:Thanks, Love_me. Well those blogs point to Ben being her F1 for sure, especially the last sentence of the last blog
If I realized anything in the impressive city of Chiang Mai, it is that time is precious. I want to end this journey with an engagement that is sacred and meaningful, and I feel that after being in such a spiritual surrounding, I got one step closer to that dream..

Wow. I didn't think it pointed to Ben at all. I think being in spiritual surroundings (Chiang Mai) made her realize that she wanted her future engagement and relationship to be sacred and meaningful, which is why she got rid of Bentley once and for all. :greenman:
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Post by chaslom4 Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:21 pm

mnmhughes wrote:
Gina wrote:Thanks, Love_me. Well those blogs point to Ben being her F1 for sure, especially the last sentence of the last blog
If I realized anything in the impressive city of Chiang Mai, it is that time is precious. I want to end this journey with an engagement that is sacred and meaningful, and I feel that after being in such a spiritual surrounding, I got one step closer to that dream..

Wow. I didn't think it pointed to Ben at all. I think being in spiritual surroundings (Chiang Mai) made her realize that she wanted her future engagement and relationship to be sacred and meaningful, which is why she got rid of Bentley once and for all. :greenman:

That's the way I took it as well.
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Post by Guest Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:27 pm

mnmhughes wrote:
Gina wrote:Thanks, Love_me. Well those blogs point to Ben being her F1 for sure, especially the last sentence of the last blog
If I realized anything in the impressive city of Chiang Mai, it is that time is precious. I want to end this journey with an engagement that is sacred and meaningful, and I feel that after being in such a spiritual surrounding, I got one step closer to that dream..

Wow. I didn't think it pointed to Ben at all. I think being in spiritual surroundings (Chiang Mai) made her realize that she wanted her future engagement and relationship to be sacred and meaningful, which is why she got rid of Bentley once and for all. :greenman:
I hope you are right, mnmhughes. If I have to watch a back to back season that didn't show the passion with the F1, but with the F2, I may pull my hair out. I actually, like Ben and JP. However, when I see real chemistry and genuine affection bordering on love between the lead and a contestant (JP), to have that person not be F1, AGAIN, may just do it for me. If I had detected the same passion with Ben and not JP, I would feel the same way towards Ben and want him as F!. Just don't see it as of the 1 on 1 date last night. :greenman:


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