Bachelorette 16 - Clare Crawley & Tayshia Adams - Oct 27th - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Yosef was so toxic and disrespectful in the beginning of the episode. I am not the biggest Clare fan so far this season but I thought she was willing to listen to what he said but I would of lost my cool a lot sooner than she did with the way he was talk to her. Calling her the oldest bachelorette ever to her face and just all the stuff he was saying. Hope I never have to see him on my television again and from what Rob Mills said on Viall files we hopefully don't.

The fist group date kind of confuse why the day portion was cancelled. Was Deanna suppose to host it or was weather the issue. Since it was a date with Dale I just find it hard to believe she would cancel time with him. The pants sniffing thing was so weird. I wish Dale would just own he wants to spend time with Clare. This episode I like that I saw his interest in her. I have no problem with them taking a long time he probably shouldn't have said anything about want five minutes in the beginning. He kind of put his foot in his mouth trying to explain things to the other guys. Like just say you like her and most if not all wouldn't have a problem with that.

Zach has been someone in this group of guys that really liked Clare. Even the guys made reference to that when they talked. The date was uncomfortable clearly and a lot of what lead up to him grabbing her was misunderstanding between the both of them. But he shouldn't have touched her in that way and completely understand why it triggered her.

The roast again I just don't see how this was a good date for Clare. I'm sure the other guys got jokes about them (Rob Miles said that a lot of the other jokes where bad except for the Dale ones). Dale handled it well. I also liked Eazy explain the guys issues with Dale and Dale just taking it in. I like the character that Bennett is and he forsure is a character.

The afterparty did she really have to ask nine guys why they said what they said about Dale. Like even Ben said he had one line about Dale that didn't even seem to bad and she still focused on that one line during his 1on1 time. I completely get these guys feeling like wtf am I doing here when this woman only wants one guy. Her laser focus on Dale is so disrespectful to the other guys. Other Bachelorettes had a clue who they would pick night one but they gave other guys a shot. You could at least try and build a friendship with one of the other guys and that doesn't seem to be happening either.

Clare and Dale at least there is some mutual interest there. But the way Clare is taking you think they are at hometowns instead of day six. She literally said she was in love with the man less than a week and spending less than an hour with him. I am just so confuse how she can be saying the things she is saying after spending maybe three hours with him. I seen infatuation and lust before but calling the man your fiancée in that much time. Like you probably haven't had the big convos yet and she is all in on him. I hope I am missing something because right now I just don't see more than infatuation.

I'm glad Tayshia comes in next week. Hopefully when she starts we get to know more of the guys. So far I like what I see out of her f4 and I like this group of guys so far. So I would like to know more than the Dale show. All jmo.

Clare and Dale sitting in a tree JUST GET MARRIED ALREADY AND LET THE OTHER GUYS GET A FAIR CHANCE AT LOVE

IMO, The best things about last night's show were:

1) the direct, honest advice that Eazy* gave Dale about "owning" his behavior, and
2) when CH stated what will happen next and Tayshia emerged beautifully out of the swimming pool.  


*correct me if that wasn't Eazy.

I am torn. On one hand I don't blame her for not faking her way through 31 guys if she had no interest in doing so and on the other hand if she did go through the motions, that would have allowed her more time to get to know Dale, unless she already knew a lot about him before hand. She is totally into him and I think once you're in that frame of mind with a person, you have no interest in anyone else. So would it have been better to see her faking her way down to the F2, causing F2 heartbreak when it was obvious it was Dale all along, IDK.

I'm looking forward to seeing where the relationship is at now. Whether they last or not I'm ok with them showing how gaga she is over Dale.

I'm still curious to see how she leaves and why Dale says he doesn't know where she is. When does he leave I wonder.

I hope Tayshia has a good rest of the season and she chooses a F1. It would be a bummer if there isn't a  happy ending for her season.

Still crossing my fingers for Ivan!

@MiniDiva You were right, it was Eazy. I liked what he said also. Dale was just stepping all over himself trying to explain how he accidentally interrupted Clare's time with Jay. If that were true, why not just leave them alone?

I realize that they probably could have edited things differently although am not sure that previous Bachelorettes have been so focused on one guy that they can't even appear to give the other guys a shot. What's different this season for me is that Clare seems to have lost the guys already so it was obvious to them. I don't have a lot of respect for TPTB but I'm just glad that Tayshia was in their back pocket this time. I don't see how this season could have carried on without her.

I don't know what guys will be there for Tayshia but I like a lot of them. Not completely sure about Tayshia's f4 but feel we'll at least get to know them better when it's not all about Dale.

I just finished watching the Yosef part of the episode ..and although I didnt like the tone he took with Clare ... he didnt say anything that wasn't true IMO.   The franchise should shoulder most of the blame for that date .... but iI thought that date was trashy too ... and there have been many others over the years that were designed not to be fun but were humiliating for those participating.  
It seemed more fitting for her to have a sit down with Dr Phil and not CH.  The leads need to be more carefully vetted in my opinion.... what a freaking mess so far.  and BTW .. run Dale run...

To me it is obvious why she is still single. She may be 39, but she is not a mature woman.

I wonder if she is always like this in relationships...falls too quick and acts so needy?

Looks to me they are editing Clare a never happened bachelorette villain, Dale her F1 villain (already happened but not the bachelorette) and the new Bachelorette savior, Tayshia. They deliberately show us the ugly and not the love story. IMO

That’s the script I see.

HEA wrote:Looks to me they are editing Clare a never happened bachelorette villain, Dale her F1 villain (already happened but not the bachelorette) and the new Bachelorette savior, Tayshia. They deliberately show us the ugly and not the love story. IMO

That’s the script I see.

I think the love story is about as obvious as could be. People can see it ... including the other guys on the show.

IMO the ugly is all on Clare. This is how she acted, this is how she always acts and this is basically how I thought she would be when they cast her as the lead. She is a mess. Always has been. There isn't the humour that can be used to smooth things over. She is always dramatic, OTT and rather sanctimonious and tptb have encouraged that as part of her "empowered woman" shtick. Now it bit them in the a**.

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I don't see I love story ... I see an arrogant, self centered woman turning off a hole lot of guys .. and she took the cowards way out and ran before it all blew up on her ...more than it already had. She wasn't able to handle the role of Bachette IMO I couldn't that's for sure ... being the lead must be extremely difficult... who they choose is very important. Clare just wasn't the right one for the job.

@bluwavz OMG. Sharleen took the words out of my mouth. This part in particular:

"...there’s too much footage of the men discussing Clare’s judgement and her lack of fair treatment for this to be chalked up to an unflattering edit. Looking further back in time, I can’t remember a season Clare has been on, whether it be Paradise or Winter Games or my own season, where smoke didn’t surround her."

I wrote earlier in this thread that she sows a lot of strife...constantly.

What I also found interesting is that Clare pulled this stunt on JPab's season...the sexy hot tub time with him while the other ladies on the group date were waiting and then sneaking off to his room while they were sleeping. I am understanding him more and more and liking Clare less and less.


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