Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - Jan 6th - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

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Not your friend producers deliberately gives Kelsey's champagne to Hannah to cause drama, without Hannah knowing it was Kelsey's.

How many times will they use tell us a sex story on a date? So ridiculous IMHO.

Can you image the sex stories date with Victoria Fuller on it?  Would have been interesting to see how "open" she would be about her history.

So far it seems like a normal drama filled season... that is drama set up by production.

IMO, I think Hannah Ann is going to be shoved down the viewers throats in the beginning. Then when the week in Cleveland happens, Victoria will start to bring the drama and Hannah Ann will start to get a redeeming edit.  Also, IMO Madi will be hidden unless she is on a 1-on-1 date. So after the first night, I don't expect to see much of her for a few weeks.

All IMO.

Should be interesting how TPTB will edit F1 and F2 if he hasn't chosen yet?...I still think they would know who is going to be F1 even if Pete picks on AFR. jmo

@LeapofFaith Good point. It will interesting to pay attention to the edit this season, more so than other season's.

LeapofFaith wrote:Should be interesting how TPTB will edit F1 and F2 if he hasn't chosen yet?...I still think they would know who is going to be F1 even if Pete picks on AFR. jmo

would be pretty cruel to do that to the F2 imo. Even by Tptb's standards...

I remember that on Charlie's season when he supposedly dated both girls and made his decision on ATFR, his F2 said she knew it wasn't her because he wasn't spending time with her.

So it could possibly be that Peter is spending this time talking with the girls, not necessarily seeing them at SHV's.  But as time goes by, the talks with one of them may get non-existent because things have heated up with the other one.

Or he knows which one he wants and he needs to court her. At this time it could be a long distance talking every day type of relationship that may end up with a SHV closer to finale time.  If it is Madi, the speculation is out there that her father is not a fan of this process nor does he believe in it. Then with RS saying that he did not give his blessing at the HTD, I can see Peter trying to win over both Madi and her family during this time then asking her to continue the relationship out in the open on ATFR, not necessarily getting engaged.

IMO, Peter wants Madi but has to win her over and needs this time to do it.  If it doesn't work, I think he will end up being single which is why the ending is still up in the air.  I honestly don't think Hannah Ann would have turned him down if he had chosen her. He could have easily ended up with her if Madi chose to leave on her own only to break up later just so TPTB had their "engagement" at the end.

So I guess what I am saying is that I think we might have a big of a "Colton" ending in that Peter knows who he wants and he won't settle for anyone else. The only difference is Madi is not Cassie and needs more time for reasons of her own.

IMO

HavaDrPepper wrote:I remember that on Charlie's season when he supposedly dated both girls and made his decision on ATFR, his F2 said she knew it wasn't her because he wasn't spending time with her.

So it could possibly be that Peter is spending this time talking with the girls, not necessarily seeing them at SHV's.  But as time goes by, the talks with one of them may get non-existent because things have heated up with the other one.

Or he knows which one he wants and he needs to court her. At this time it could be a long distance talking every day type of relationship that may end up with a SHV closer to finale time.  If it is Madi, the speculation is out there that her father is not a fan of this process nor does he believe in it. Then with RS saying that he did not give his blessing at the HTD, I can see Peter trying to win over both Madi and her family during this time then asking her to continue the relationship out in the open on ATFR, not necessarily getting engaged.

IMO, Peter wants Madi but has to win her over and needs this time to do it.  If it doesn't work, I think he will end up being single which is why the ending is still up in the air.  I honestly don't think Hannah Ann would have turned him down if he had chosen her. He could have easily ended up with her if Madi chose to leave on her own only to break up later just so TPTB had their "engagement" at the end.

So I guess what I am saying is that I think we might have a big of a "Colton" ending in that Peter knows who he wants and he won't settle for anyone else. The only difference is Madi is not Cassie and needs more time for reasons of her own.

IMO

Or he wanted Victoria and when he basically had to dump her due to all the stuff he found out, he had to decide between the other two. They probably already knew that he wanted VF...as past contestants always seem to know who was favoured...and then felt like they were the back up plan. Maybe he had to prove himself.

Personally I think he is wishy washy and I can see him falling for multiple people because he almost talks himself into it. He knows what is required and will try to please. That is why IMO he will then fall out of love just as fast.

@HavaDrPepper
I m seeing similarly as well in that I believe Madi is his actual F1, but unforeseen circumstances have prevented them to follow the normal mold of an engagement at the AFTR.

@Sprite
After watching this LZ interview with Peter, I find it very interesting that
1. When Lauren asks him about Victoria being a possible villain ( based on what CH said), his response is to right away defend her and tell us that she has ‘ endearing qualities’, WITHOUT EVEN ASKING which Victoria she was talking about...which would have been a perfect first deflection reply :
” Which Victoria ?” ( For many unspoiled fans, it will be confusing to hear that, I would think. We are so informed about every contestant and her in particular, but there are likely many more who are clueless about her antics. Or they don’t believe it yet. )
And then , when she would reply VFuller,, he could say, ‘ let’s wait and see what happens...’ and not give too many details about her or his involvement with her.
2. That tells me that he probably developed some real feeling for her, and now, he needs to not only defend HER but HIMSELF as well, as he is gonna look really stupid to fall for her when everything comes out loud and clear about her past behavior. Who would look great falling for a serial cheater? IMO
3. If he had NOT developed feelings or was not debating the issues presented to him, it would have been easier to just not take her side or find something to redeem her even before everything airs.

My conclusion is that VF did have a strong impact on him, and it may have filtered through his choices at the very end, for better or worse.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out but I’m not holding too much attachments into a ‘ happy ever after’ kind of ending.
JMHO

Sprite wrote:

HavaDrPepper wrote:I remember that on Charlie's season when he supposedly dated both girls and made his decision on ATFR, his F2 said she knew it wasn't her because he wasn't spending time with her.

So it could possibly be that Peter is spending this time talking with the girls, not necessarily seeing them at SHV's.  But as time goes by, the talks with one of them may get non-existent because things have heated up with the other one.

Or he knows which one he wants and he needs to court her. At this time it could be a long distance talking every day type of relationship that may end up with a SHV closer to finale time.  If it is Madi, the speculation is out there that her father is not a fan of this process nor does he believe in it. Then with RS saying that he did not give his blessing at the HTD, I can see Peter trying to win over both Madi and her family during this time then asking her to continue the relationship out in the open on ATFR, not necessarily getting engaged.

IMO, Peter wants Madi but has to win her over and needs this time to do it.  If it doesn't work, I think he will end up being single which is why the ending is still up in the air.  I honestly don't think Hannah Ann would have turned him down if he had chosen her. He could have easily ended up with her if Madi chose to leave on her own only to break up later just so TPTB had their "engagement" at the end.

So I guess what I am saying is that I think we might have a big of a "Colton" ending in that Peter knows who he wants and he won't settle for anyone else. The only difference is Madi is not Cassie and needs more time for reasons of her own.

IMO

Or he wanted Victoria and when he basically had to dump her due to all the stuff he found out, he had to decide between the other two. They probably already knew that he wanted VF...as past contestants always seem to know who was favoured...and then felt like they were the back up plan. Maybe he had to prove himself.

Personally I think he is wishy washy and I can see him falling for multiple people because he almost talks himself into it. He knows what is required and will try to please. That is why IMO he will then fall out of love just as fast.

I'm inclined to believe this... I think VF would have been F1 if it wasn't for finding out at the last minute her history. Very uncool of tptb to put her on the show in the first place imo.

Also, incoming JMO opinions: it would really annoy me if Madi's father not giving Peter his blessing is enough to derail the whole show. It was bad enough with Cassie and Colton but at least they both showed a bit of independence about the whole thing. Madi is 23, a whole adult who can and should be making her own decisions. It's not 1020, it's 2020. She doesn't have to be exchanged for some goats to the highest bidder as approved by her previous owner father anymore. Her relationships should be 100% her own choice. I agree Bachelor engagements are dumb but that's the thing: they all admit they're more like "dating with a ring" and they end up doing their own real proposals later and stuff. Why even go on the show if you're so weighed down by some kind of archaic idea about traditional marriage? Would really like to have a season with mature people (not talking about age) who make their own decisions and know what they want in life. Don't care if they're influencers or not, I just want whole-azz adults