Hannah Brown - Bachelorette 15 - Discussion #2

Chgohighlife wrote:

Ilo wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

Ilo wrote:Does anyone have IMDb and can someone tell me if Hannah is still with her agency

IMO she was dropped by her agency. They no longer appear in the bio of her I/G. I do not know the inside scoop so, I cannot be sure it had anything to do with her gaffe but, it appears based on timing, that is likely the case. They truly were not the right agency for her from the start - much too big and inattentive. Problem now is, who wants to take her on with her current baggage? 
All IMO

why were they not right for her and i truely hope that this will be all over for her soon

Hi @Ilo,
If we assume ABC got Hannah her spot on DWTS, and note that her red carpet hosting for the CMA could have been due to her high profile at the time - what did her agency do for her?

i dont know

gabriele wrote:@Chgohighlife personally i’m not interested in how things appear—i’m interested in actual integrity. none of us are perfect. hannah and i share the same faith and there are pretty clear guidelines for how to deal with our screwups. doing the right thing never goes out of fashion nor is it naive. jmo

@gabriele
I think it’s a mistake to co-mingle either of our religious principles with Hannah’s. We don’t know her, let alone her hierarchy of needs and commitment and many “inconsistencies” with any religious doctrine I’m familiar with have been demonstrated quite publicly, already. Regardless, my advice stands. We already have her response. It didn’t work. I think she needs help with the truth. Hannah is not a racist or, even malicious. She’s trying to learn to be “cool” and not the first one to royally screw up as a result. She could have this fixed in a week. Problem is, she’d have to take a stand she’s terrified to take and she doesn’t understand the true cost of straddling this particular fence. So for 100,000 extremists, she sits in a mud puddle slowly morphing into quicksand. 
All IMO.

Ilo wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

Ilo wrote:Does anyone have IMDb and can someone tell me if Hannah is still with her agency

IMO she was dropped by her agency. They no longer appear in the bio of her I/G. I do not know the inside scoop so, I cannot be sure it had anything to do with her gaffe but, it appears based on timing, that is likely the case. They truly were not the right agency for her from the start - much too big and inattentive. Problem now is, who wants to take her on with her current baggage? 
All IMO

why were they not right for her and i truely hope that this will be all over for her soon

If she wants it over she needs to speak out in person.  It’s her lack of action that’s causing this to drag out.  It’s all on her.

The problem I see with the silence is that it created a void and that void has been filled by her fans. They have become her voice and unfortunately a number of them have gained a reputation for trolling. Hannah and what she doesn’t do is now more closely tied to what her fans do because they represent who she has influenced. It’s an interesting phenomena.

Hannah was wrong YES. but I watched the live and those saying that she tried to blame her brother . Her brother is the one who said it first, if you watched the live that night Hannah was there with her cousin/or GF on the live,(drinking their wine), her brother was playing music and rapping to a song (she was actually telling him to go outside on the deck with the music (and they bickered back and forth "No, you go out " he proceeded to go out and on his way he stopped by her and was rapping, it's obvious Hannah did not know the words to the song and her brother was right on her left side (not in view of the camera) & Hannah's head was turned to her left looking at him bopping her head and she was repeating the words to the song that he was singing, (maybe she liked the song he was playing IDK she seemed to hesitate repeating what he said when it came to that word almost like it slipped out before she realized what she had repeated, when she looked back at the comments it was her cousin who first said "Patrick said it" and Hannah said , "She's right, you said it"(while looking straight at her brother)..(she wasen't lying that he said it, she denied that she repeated it ) This is the what I saw that night watching the live. They both said it but Patrick was the one who seemed to know the words to the song and it was obvious Hannah didn't . I am not defending Hannah saying the word but for those who didn't see it live ,her brother did sing/rap it first like he was teaching her the words. No excuses and im Not defending her just simple stating what I saw that night. I haven't seen any of the video clips of it so I don't know if they were edited or not and if they show all of what I saw.

^^^ I saw the video clip and sorry I disagree with your post . Hannah was clearly singing the song and even knew the words to it . She clearly was able to skip the F word but kept the N word in it. Then her cousin was trying to make excuses for her and that is when she blamed her brother. I am really tired of people trying to blame others when she is the one that did it and has yet made any effort to make a statement for the others who are getting hated on because they spoke up .

Jolena wrote:Hannah was wrong YES. but I watched the live and those saying that she tried to blame her brother . Her brother is the one who said it first, if you watched the live that night Hannah was there with her cousin/or GF on the live,(drinking their wine), her brother was playing music and rapping to a song (she was actually telling him to go outside on the deck with the music (and they bickered back and forth "No, you go out " he proceeded to go out and on his way he stopped by her and was rapping, it's obvious Hannah did not know the words to the song and her brother was right on her left side (not in view of the camera) & Hannah's head was turned to her left looking at him bopping her head and she was repeating the words to the song that he was singing, (maybe she liked the song he was playing IDK she seemed to hesitate repeating what he said when it came to that word almost like it slipped out before she realized what she had repeated, when she looked back at the comments it was her cousin who first said "Patrick said it" and Hannah said , "She's right, you said it"(while looking straight at her brother)..(she wasen't lying that he said it, she denied that she repeated it ) This is the what I saw that night watching the live. They both said it but Patrick was the one who seemed to know the words to the song and it was obvious Hannah didn't . I am not defending Hannah saying the word but for those who didn't see it live ,her brother did sing/rap it first like he was teaching her the words. No excuses and im Not defending her just simple stating what I saw that night. I haven't seen any of the video clips of it so I don't know if they were edited or not and if they show all of what I saw.

@Jolena
I have great respect for your sense of fairness but, everyone who cares about Hannah the least little bit should say a silent prayer she does not repeat any part of that story for her own sake and the sake of those people who want to see this resolved in her favor. Believe me, there is no better way to make a bad situation, worse. All IMO.

Chgohighlife wrote:

gabriele wrote:@Chgohighlife personally i’m not interested in how things appear—i’m interested in actual integrity. none of us are perfect. hannah and i share the same faith and there are pretty clear guidelines for how to deal with our screwups. doing the right thing never goes out of fashion nor is it naive. jmo

@gabriele
I think it’s a mistake to co-mingle either of our religious principles with Hannah’s. We don’t know her, let alone her hierarchy of needs and commitment and many “inconsistencies” with any religious doctrine I’m familiar with have been demonstrated quite publicly, already. Regardless, my advice stands. We already have her response. It didn’t work. I think she needs help with the truth. Hannah is not a racist or, even malicious. She’s trying to learn to be “cool” and not the first one to royally screw up as a result. She could have this fixed in a week. Problem is, she’d have to take a stand she’s terrified to take and she doesn’t understand the true cost of straddling this particular fence. So for 100,000 extremists, she sits in a mud puddle slowly morphing into quicksand. 
All IMO.

issues of racism and how we deal with our own erroneous behavior are just not controversial issues in the teachings of jesus or the new testament, and hannah would know what they are. probably the best known parable is the story of the good samaritan where the person who behaved in a good and loving manner was not the religious leaders but the guy of mixed ethnicity or race. it was actually the hated racial/ethnic outcast, the samaritan, who was behaving in a good and loving toward a guy who had been beaten, robbed and left for dead. as for how we deal with our wrongs we humbly admit them to those we have wronged and change our behavior and work for their good as we can. those are simple and agreed upon issues.

what is more complicated is the issue of racism. as i understand it—and i am still learning—people are not racist or nonracist. there is a whole lot of room between those two poles. what is in that space in between is implicit or unconscious bias. basically these are the various prejudices we all carry that we are unaware of.

Many researchers believe that implicit racial bias is a response to direct and indirect negative informa-tion that an individual receives starting in childhood. For example, consider a White adult who has had little or no interaction with African Americans. Starting in childhood, this person may be bombarded with distorted negative images of African Americans on television and in the news and negative comments about people of color from family members and other people who are respected by the individual. This input can lead to un-founded negative attitudes about African Americans.

a very common example of implicit bias is the misconception that black men are dangerous and violent.

there is great societal stigma in being called a racist but by acknowledging that we all suffer from implicit bias we can address our prejudices without the resulting toxic shame of being termed a racist. the rest of the short article explains it well: understanding implicit bias

i don’t believe hannah acted out of malice but rather of ignorance. jmo

here is a link to 3 video clips of what hannah said https://www.instagram.com/p/CAUQnovj9KU/?igshid=161fo4si0g36i

gabriele wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

gabriele wrote:@Chgohighlife personally i’m not interested in how things appear—i’m interested in actual integrity. none of us are perfect. hannah and i share the same faith and there are pretty clear guidelines for how to deal with our screwups. doing the right thing never goes out of fashion nor is it naive. jmo

@gabriele
I think it’s a mistake to co-mingle either of our religious principles with Hannah’s. We don’t know her, let alone her hierarchy of needs and commitment and many “inconsistencies” with any religious doctrine I’m familiar with have been demonstrated quite publicly, already. Regardless, my advice stands. We already have her response. It didn’t work. I think she needs help with the truth. Hannah is not a racist or, even malicious. She’s trying to learn to be “cool” and not the first one to royally screw up as a result. She could have this fixed in a week. Problem is, she’d have to take a stand she’s terrified to take and she doesn’t understand the true cost of straddling this particular fence. So for 100,000 extremists, she sits in a mud puddle slowly morphing into quicksand. 
All IMO.

issues of racism and how we deal with our own erroneous behavior are just not controversial issues in the teachings of jesus or the new testament, and hannah would know what they are. probably the best known parable is the story of the good samaritan where the person who behaved in a good and loving manner was not the religious leaders but the guy of mixed ethnicity or race. it was actually the hated racial/ethnic outcast, the samaritan, who was behaving in a good and loving toward a guy who had been beaten, robbed and left for dead. as for how we deal with our wrongs we humbly admit them to those we have wronged and change our behavior and work for their good as we can. those are simple and agreed upon issues.

what is more complicated is the issue of racism. as i understand it—and i am still learning—people are not racist or nonracist. there is a whole lot of room between those two poles. what is in that space in between is implicit or unconscious bias. basically these are the various prejudices we all carry that we are unaware of.

Many researchers believe that implicit racial bias is a response to direct and indirect negative informa-tion that an individual receives starting in childhood. For example, consider a White adult who has had little or no interaction with African Americans. Starting in childhood, this person may be bombarded with distorted negative images of African Americans on television and in the news and negative comments about people of color from family members and other people who are respected by the individual. This input can lead to un-founded negative attitudes about African Americans.

a very common example of implicit bias is the misconception that black men are dangerous and violent.

there is great societal stigma in being called a racist but by acknowledging that we all suffer from implicit bias we can address our prejudices without the resulting toxic shame of being termed a racist. the rest of the short article explains it well: understanding implicit bias

i don’t believe hannah acted out of malice but rather of ignorance. jmo

@gabriele
IMO, your statements are giant and very presumptuous leaps to assumptions about Hannah that do not begin to have validity. That’s why not discussing religion in this forum is a good policy. Hannah’s religion did not prevent her from having frivolous sex with a contestant she neither loved nor had any plans to marry (By her own admission on national tv) so it’s neither plausible nor reasonable to use religious doctrine as the framework for her behavior or her thought process. All delusion aside - we do not know Hannah and therefore cannot explain her actions. That’s why she has her own voice and her own camera within her own phone. All IMO.

So today’s news about the price of racist statements is this lady in NYC who made up a very negative statement about an African American man she didn’t even know while walking her dog in Central Park. That lie/statement she made to the police resulted in the loss of her job, today. Way to go Amy Cooper. Call up our girl Hannah. Talk her through the rationale for coming out from underneath her bed and making a call for help. She’s losing a lot more than a job. 
All IMO.

Chgohighlife wrote:

gabriele wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

gabriele wrote:@Chgohighlife personally i’m not interested in how things appear—i’m interested in actual integrity. none of us are perfect. hannah and i share the same faith and there are pretty clear guidelines for how to deal with our screwups. doing the right thing never goes out of fashion nor is it naive. jmo

@gabriele
I think it’s a mistake to co-mingle either of our religious principles with Hannah’s. We don’t know her, let alone her hierarchy of needs and commitment and many “inconsistencies” with any religious doctrine I’m familiar with have been demonstrated quite publicly, already. Regardless, my advice stands. We already have her response. It didn’t work. I think she needs help with the truth. Hannah is not a racist or, even malicious. She’s trying to learn to be “cool” and not the first one to royally screw up as a result. She could have this fixed in a week. Problem is, she’d have to take a stand she’s terrified to take and she doesn’t understand the true cost of straddling this particular fence. So for 100,000 extremists, she sits in a mud puddle slowly morphing into quicksand. 
All IMO.

issues of racism and how we deal with our own erroneous behavior are just not controversial issues in the teachings of jesus or the new testament, and hannah would know what they are. probably the best known parable is the story of the good samaritan where the person who behaved in a good and loving manner was not the religious leaders but the guy of mixed ethnicity or race. it was actually the hated racial/ethnic outcast, the samaritan, who was behaving in a good and loving toward a guy who had been beaten, robbed and left for dead. as for how we deal with our wrongs we humbly admit them to those we have wronged and change our behavior and work for their good as we can. those are simple and agreed upon issues.

what is more complicated is the issue of racism. as i understand it—and i am still learning—people are not racist or nonracist. there is a whole lot of room between those two poles. what is in that space in between is implicit or unconscious bias. basically these are the various prejudices we all carry that we are unaware of.

Many researchers believe that implicit racial bias is a response to direct and indirect negative informa-tion that an individual receives starting in childhood. For example, consider a White adult who has had little or no interaction with African Americans. Starting in childhood, this person may be bombarded with distorted negative images of African Americans on television and in the news and negative comments about people of color from family members and other people who are respected by the individual. This input can lead to un-founded negative attitudes about African Americans.

a very common example of implicit bias is the misconception that black men are dangerous and violent.

there is great societal stigma in being called a racist but by acknowledging that we all suffer from implicit bias we can address our prejudices without the resulting toxic shame of being termed a racist. the rest of the short article explains it well: understanding implicit bias

i don’t believe hannah acted out of malice but rather of ignorance. jmo

@gabriele
IMO, your statements are giant and very presumptuous leaps to assumptions about Hannah that do not begin to have validity. That’s why not discussing religion in this forum is a good policy. Hannah’s religion did not prevent her from having frivolous sex with a contestant she neither loved nor had any plans to marry (By her own admission on national tv) so it’s neither plausible nor reasonable to use religious doctrine as the framework for her behavior or her thought process. All delusion aside - we do not know Hannah and therefore cannot explain her actions. That’s why she has her own voice and her own camera within her own phone. All IMO.

here’s the thing: we are all giving our opinions on this thread. we speculate and analyze. that is the nature of these discussions. it is also why we put JMO at the end of our posts. there is no need to be rude.

the reason we don’t get into religious discussions on this forum is because it goes against the forum guidelines. we can talk about it briefly if it pertains to a contestant as it does with hannah as she mentions her faith often. i tried to keep my comments brief in responding to yours.

to say that we can’t explain hannah’s actions and then to strongly declare my opinion on hannah’s actions as void of any validity is a logical contradiction. if you can’t know hannah’s actions then you certainly can’t declare someone’s opinion on said actions as invalid. you could have tactfully said you disagree. fyi: i won’t be responding on this any further.

jmo