Bachelor 24 - Peter Weber - F1-F4 - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

Mommyof2 wrote:Hi everyone!  I haven't been watching Peter's season at all, but saw online that he may choose one of TPTB?  Wouldn't that be wild!  

Jolena wrote:I was re=watching some parts of episode 3 and  I think i noticed what might be little coded words that Peter and Madison might have that lets her know that he's referring to her.  At the rose ceremony before he hands out the roses he says "There's been alot of"amazing moments" and I'm "holding onto" that., and the Camera pans to Madison and she nods & smiles. The other night he  ended with the same words "Im holding onto that" and again you can see he's looking straight at her like the words are meant for her. I guess its its the only way he can guard her heart like he promised her he would try to do on their date. Did anyone else notice this?  Im trying to look for whatever bits and pieces of crumbs there are to see the love story since TPTB try so hard NOT to show us. I'm going to look for more of these codes and clues in the upcoming episodes. jmo

What I can report to you today after trying to get this confirmed over the last couple months is this: Peter does have sex in the overnight dates. Shocker, I know. However, Madison doesn’t find this out because Peter tells her, but from Victoria F. and Hannah Ann. There is a girl chat that happens during overnight date week (presumably after all the overnights happen), where they are the ones to tell Madison that sex happened with Peter. One or both, I don’t know for sure, but since both women are the ones to tell Madi, I’m going to assume it was both of them. Immediately I know you have questions. Most notably, “How and when did this happen?” Because as we know, once final 4 hits, these women are always separated from each other and the only time they even see each other are at rose ceremonies, and you don’t get to chit chat about anything. All I know is that Madison first heard about Peter having sex in the overnights during a girl chat with Victoria F. and Hannah Ann. We’ve seen an ITM of Victoria F saying, “I can’t believe she waited this long to tell him she’s a virgin,” so that helps us in knowing that surely Peter didn’t Victoria F. on their overnight that Madison is a virgin. Which means she must’ve heard it from Madison during the girl chat. Trust me, there are a lot of voiceovers, coupled with ITM’s that we’ve seen that I’ve literally been going over for 2 months. But bottom line is, Madison has a girl chat with the other two during overnight date week and that’s when she first learns Peter had sex on the overnights.

We also know that Victoria F. is eliminated at the final 3 rose ceremony, meaning Hannah Ann and Madison are the final two. As I reported, Victoria F. has nothing to do with the finale. We don’t see her again, she doesn’t pop up and talk to Peter about anything, and there is no debate she was sent home at the overnight date rose ceremony. Once we’re down to our final 2, that’s who meets Peter’s family, then each get one last date with Peter, and then the final rose ceremony. In a normal season. This isn’t a normal season. What I can also report is what many people have suspected this season:

Madi self-eliminates this season.

But again, I’m not sure exactly at what point this happens. We know it has to happen after the overnight date rose ceremony, because that’s where Victoria F. is eliminated. But does it happen before she meets Peter’s parents? It seems like it does, but I don’t have confirmation on that. Another thing I can report to you, and reiterate again because I said this at the beginning of the season, is that Chris Harrison’s speech to Peter on final rose ceremony day, is NOT to tell him Madison just left. That’s a bigger conversation than, “I just thought you should know,” which is what Chris says at the end of that speech. That speech from Chris has nothing to do with Madison.

The other aspect about Madison’s elimination becomes this: when she left, did she actually leave the country and go home, or, did she leave like Cassie did last season and take herself off the show, but was still there. My money is on she is still there, because I don’t think they would send her home. Lets for arguments sake say when Madison self-eliminated, she literally was allowed to get on a plane and they sent her home. Well, that means only one woman would be there on final rose ceremony day, and that would be Hannah Ann. If Peter always wanted to be with Hannah Ann, and she was his #1 choice, and that’s who he was all set to be with on final rose ceremony day, wouldn’t that make that final day of filming one of the easier final rose ceremonies ever? One of the two women aren’t even there. Sweet. Don’t have to break her heart and send her home on the last day, Hannah Ann is here, she’s the one I want, and in the words of Becca Kufrin, “Lets do the damn thing.” But we know this is not a normal ending and there’s craziness on final rose ceremony day. So I don’t think once Madi self-eliminated she left the country, and she’s still “there” in Australia on the day of the final rose ceremony. Will we see her? I don’t know.

Knowing now that Madison eliminated herself at some point during the final week of filming, surely the obvious next conclusion to make is that’s who Peter’s mom is talking about when she says to “Don’t let her go…bring her home to us.” Because why would she be saying that about Hannah Ann? SHE’S STILL THERE. And if your response is, “Well maybe his mom is saying that post-filming and that doesn’t happen before final rose ceremony,” then I guess my question in return would be, “If she’s saying to Peter ‘don’t let her go…bring her home’ post-filming, yet he had a chance to pick Hannah Ann on that final rose ceremony day, how could the mom be referring to Hannah Ann?” It doesn’t make sense for Peter’s mom in that clip to be referring to anyone other than Madison. Do I know 100% she’s referring to Madison? No. I’m just thinking out loud with the things I know versus what we’ve been shown.

The guesses that 90% of you have had of “Oh, well Madison leaves because Peter has sex and he chases her down,” yeah, that might be the gist of all this, but how it happens and when is still unknown. When people have said “chases her down,” what exactly does that mean? Where? Because we don’t know for sure if she left Australia or was still “there” even after self-eliminating. I keep coming back to this point of if Hannah Ann was the only woman still present on final rose ceremony day, and Hannah Ann was the woman Peter wanted, seems to me it’s a pretty easy ending. He picks her, and they’re together. I just don’t see it happening that way. You might relate this to the Des/Chris ending where she was all distraught over Brooks, then moved on with Chris. Hey, maybe Peter does do that. I just don’t believe that is the case this season. HOWEVER, since I don’t 100% know who Peter is with right now, it’s still a possibility.

Which then brings us to, “Well, what if he left Australia single, and was dating both women post-show,” or, “he’s not gonna make his final decision until the ATFR.” Again, I don’t think that’s the case because of the clip I posted on page 2 where Peter was specifically told a theory he was single, and responded with “I haven’t heard the actual ending yet though.” So I do not believe any final decision is coming at the ATFR. I also think that what happened on that final day in Australia doesn’t necessarily mean is what is happening in real time. Chris Harrison and Robert Mills (and Mills said it again yesterday in in this interview if you didn’t read on page 1 that “I would say even now the roller coaster hasn’t ended and it won’t end until After the Final Rose”) have been promoting and teasing all season things like “it might still not be over” and “we’ve seen in recent seasons, it’s technically always still going” so yeah, some finality will be had at the ATFR. Mills is very strategic in his answers. He’s not going to flat out lie. If there was one set couple that came out of this show and everything has been rainbows and daffodils since Australia, he wouldn’t say “the roller coaster hasn’t ended and it won’t end until After the Final Rose.”

I know, it’s a lot to take in. Mostly because I have bits and pieces to things I know happened, but without knowing exactly when they happened, it’s only telling parts of the story. And I have no solid confirmation, nor has there been any given in clips, that Madison is even part of final rose ceremony. Hell, there’s still a possibility once she leaves, she’s gonzo for good, Peter struggles but eventually gets there with Hannah Ann, and they’re a couple. I don’t think that’s what happened, but I guess it’s still a possibility. My biggest thing has been trying to find out what happened on final rose ceremony day. Nothing on social media post show is going to tell me that. And you hear bits and pieces from sources and try to figure out what’s right and what isn’t.

I have heard from numerous sources “Madison is with Peter. They are dating but not engaged.” If you’re holding a gun to my head and forced me to give you my opinion of how this all plays out, I’d say that would be my guess at this point. But that’s just it. A guess. I don’t know for sure. If I did, I’d tell you. I’m telling you that that’s what people have told me, but I haven’t had the solid confirmation I need to 100% believe it. But yeah, if you’re asking me what I think Peter’s current dating situation is, I’d go with that. They are together, definitely not engaged, and they are working on their relationship because this definitely hasn’t been easy on Madison from all accounts. That answer however doesn’t explain how they technically even got to that point, which is why I’ve been so hesitant to even offer that up as opinion. Because I don’t know how they got there.

When did Madison leave – before or after she was supposed to meet the parents?
Did Madison show up at the final rose ceremony at some point?
Is she even in the country still on the day of the final rose ceremony?
If she was there, how did it play out?
If she wasn’t there, did he chase her down back in the states?
If she was there, but didn’t show up on final rose ceremony day, did filming take place after final rose ceremony day, but STILL in Australia?

There’s a laundry list of questions I’ve been asking for the last 2 months, trust me, but I’d say these are the most important ones. And they all have to do with filming from the time the overnight date rose ceremony ended until final rose ceremony day. I have convos about this with people literally every single day. I don’t know the answers to those questions. If I did, this season would be so much easier to spoil. But the two main things I did share with you today, that Madison found out Peter had sex on the overnights came from a girl chat with Victoria F. and Hannah Ann, and that Madison self-eliminated, I hope at least gives some clarity to things you can work with from here since now these aren’t guesses, they are facts.

I’m sure you’ll all have your theories and speculations going forward, but I’m pretty sure it’ll be damn near impossible to nail down every detail of how the season plays out. The basics of “Madi leaves, Peter chases after her” I don’t think are the main issues at stake here, even though ultimately I think that might be the overarching storyline of where we’re at. But even that doesn’t fill in how it all played out in Australia. We’re still a month away from the finale airing, so there’s still time for me to get more info or pieces to the puzzle. When/if I hear anything else, I’ll let you know. Until then, enjoy this craziness…

smg2587 wrote:Having a "girls chat" totally sounds producer driven since at this point the only time the women see each other is during the rcs. I think the producers wanted Madi to know so they set up the group chat before the rc.  Her leaving is the least shocking thing in this. Most actual signs where pointing to Madison the ones he was with. I wouldn't be shock if they are over by the time ATFR comes around. Even on the show as much as they clearly like each other they aren't that compatible and lack a solid foundation to be able to last after the show that most successful couples in the franchise had. All jmo.