Tyler Cameron - Bachelorette 15 - Discussion

2observe wrote:

Summerfun1980 wrote:I don't think they were just talking with the song "nobody else" playing on a loop at 1 a.m. Someone correct me if I have the date wrong, but I believe that was Tyler's account spotify activity that night.  

Regardless, Hannah's body language during that interview with Zima and stuttering and stammering in the interview with Rachel gave her away.

All JMO

Well imo, Hannah did NOT look like a happy camper the next morning.  Imo, she looked very insecure about the future, so I highly doubt that the playlist was giving us the real story.   Again jmo.

okkaayy wrote:I’m kind of confused why it’s being said that Tyler is leaving the franchise.. half of his IG comments/likes are to bachelor people. Seems still very much involved to me.

Also he posted a shill this morning. It’s apaprently an abc food tours partnership, but he posted it on his personal account so I’m assuming he’s still getting paid to post it 2 million followers regardless of how much side money is going to the charities.

I also have a hard time believing that he’d record a shilling video ( which looks like to have been filmed in segments based on his hair being wet halfway through ) while hanging out with a certain someone.

okkaayy wrote:I’m kind of confused why it’s being said that Tyler is leaving the franchise.. half of his IG comments/likes are to bachelor people. Seems still very much involved to me.

Also he posted a shill this morning. It’s apaprently an abc food tours partnership, but he posted it on his personal account so I’m assuming he’s still getting paid to post it 2 million followers regardless of how much side money is going to the charities.

I also have a hard time believing that he’d record a shilling video ( which looks like to have been filmed in segments based on his hair being wet halfway through ) while hanging out with a certain someone.

Chgohighlife wrote:IMO there’s no doubt he cared for her A LOT, loved her. He was planning to marry her and I don’t think he was insincere, at all. He loved her and that kind of feeling doesn’t just disappear.

HOWEVER, her last few episodes were BRUTAL. Heck, between the windmill story and her failure to at least try to spare his feelings a little by avoiding on air rejection of his beautiful proposal.  

He’s not stupid. He saw her with Jed. He knows how much she wanted Luke and failing that how much she lusted after Peter and fell in love with Jed in spite of a dozen red flags.
Tyler is a man. He has dignity and pride. There may someday be a scenario that allows him to take her back but, all current evidence is proving that day is not today.

It’s true I’m not objective. I wanted to throw a party when he came back to NYC and canceled his return trip to LA. But, IMO Hannah does not deserve a do over. She hurt him and whereas women are resilient (or weak as the case may be) and we can forgive and mend with an apology, IMO and experience, most men do not.

Hannah is a big risk because IMO, she wants Tyler for all the wrong reasons. Tyler wasn’t the main event until she found out everyone else wanted him and considered her a fool for letting him go and Jed turned out to be...well, Jed.
I hope Tyler stays clear. She’s an intriguing and beautiful, sexy girl. Let someone else “win” her. He can do better and perhaps he already has.
All IMO.

lleyki wrote:

Hannah is a big risk because IMO, she wants Tyler for all the wrong reasons. Tyler wasn’t the main event until she found out everyone else wanted him and considered her a fool for letting him go and Jed turned out to be...well, Jed.

Okay the bolded made me laugh out loud. I agreed with your entire post and especially this part. I think it's easy now for some to romanticize Hannah and Tyler's relationship but the reality is, based on the editing we saw, Tyler was little more than an afterthought, IMO for much of Hannah's season.
I absolutely believe if the Luke meltdown hadn't happened during their Fantasy Suite date, he and Jed would have likely been Hannah's Final 2. And I think she chose Tyler over Peter because of how amazing Tyler turned out to be in the Fantasy Suite. And I do believe that was the light bulb moment for her of how amazing Tyler had really been the whole time. But at that point she was too far gone with Jed.

Honestly, I don't even buy these feelings for Tyler that Hannah currently claims to have. I think when things with Jed fell apart, she was hurt and vulnerable and all the while she was seeing the season play out and seeing things she may have missed or ignored and more importantly seeing how amazing Tyler had been the whole time. Added to this, he was one of, if not the most supportive, of the guys from her season, towards her on social media.

I can believe they spoke after the split from Jed and that Tyler was a genuine friend towards her. And while all of this was happening, Bachelor Nation viewers were falling in love with Tyler and declaring Hannah crazy if she didn't pick him. I think all of that created a perfect storm for her to start over romanticizing her feelings for him and convincing herself she wants to be with him. But I don't buy it.

I don't think she's consciously aware that's what's going on but it's what I believe. And that's why I feel like time apart and distance is probably the best thing right now, where hopefully she will gain clarity (ugh that word) and perspective of the whole situation. I think the reality is Hannah was hurt by Jed, is vulnerable, embarrassed by how her season went and latched on to Tyler as a life preserver. And that's not romance and love in my opinion. That's neediness and compensating for something else. So I don't blame Tyler one bit for wanting no part of it.

I've said it before, I've never seen this level of entitled demand and expectations from any previous lead or audience toward the F2. "I was hoping he'd give me more than two days" makes me smh. The entitlement and undeserved resentment and expectations just jumped out

Yeah that got a MAJOR side eye from me. All I could think when I read this was, "well Hannah, to quote your own words to Luke, Tyler does not owe you anything" considering you dumped him and chose someone else.

Imho for all of these reasons Tyler is smart to stay clear and keep quiet. Don't get into a he said, she said situation, don't issue any statements, he doesn't owe that to anyone. Jmho.

I agree completely. I feel like at times there is an unhealthy entitlement in Bachelor Nation world where the contestants continue to be seen as fictional characters who owe viewers something and yeah, don't agree.

First of all, as someone noted, for all the rantings in other places of people saying they would unfollow and Tyler's supposedly getting all this backlash, his IG follower count has actually increased rather than decreased. So really, is he even getting that much heat about this or are the angry voices just louder than others?

Like you, I don't feel like Tyler owes anyone an explanation and so I'm fine with his continuing to just live his life and do him. Let people think and feel what they want.

Kashathediva wrote:Ok. I think things are better now.
I am simply editing on the side of caution, in case it is too personal even though it’s not demographic info. So I hope no will take offense at the deletions.  It’s not meant to villianize anyone.  
Please remember to use a report button if things come up.  Personally, that is my first alert something needs attention.  
Also, please can we all make an effort to be a bit, kinder to each other..
Thanks all.