Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - July 29 & 30 - Finale - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #2

I respect everyone’s opinion. And happy to have the board to discuss different theories thoughts etc.

But I loved the episode. The forshadowing was incredible. Tomorrow should be lots of drama. I have a feeling the ratings were good too. At the end of the day I do realize it’s just a highly edited tv show though. But thought tonight’s episode was very entertaining compared to past episodes this season. Imo

Here is my resume

Heartbreaking peter elimination
Hannah gushed they had sex 4 times... in front of his parents live
Parents adored Tyler
Hannah told Tyler she fell in love with him
Parents hated that Jed is a penniless musician... but with Tyler they all got Gaga because he put Hannah on top of a pedestal on top of Himalayas
Jed felt upset that her parents did not like him and judged him not being able to take care of their daughter financially... yet again it was not an issue with Tyler who talked about whatever they’ll do will be great
After date with Tyler was horse riding .... meh ended with steamy cuddle on bed
Jed got the yacht but Hannah was sick, did not go so well... Hannah was self doubting after her parents
Evening was Jed saying that he couldn’t see a future without her in it
Ended with kisses but not much passion

Typical F2 edits and F1 edits

Tyler great on paper
Jed is the one I love

The switch is edited as she will pick Tyler... but we shall see the clarity moment. The interesting part is that ch said that the worse goodbyes were with peter.... not the F2

The show ended with Hannah who said her 2 mont 1/2 were difficult with rumors and tomorrow she was looking or hoping for answers. CH said 2 times that she may not get her happy ending. Hannah looked very nervous and unhappy when she said that.

To be continued

Teaser.. definitely Nashville crew were there to address Hayley and break the engagement. ...... no privacy to do that alone. Must be in their contract so my take is Hannah told the crew she wanted to breakup with Jed BEFORE she saw Jed..... just like Arie and Becca. So whatever Jed could have said, she didn’t care.

So tomorrow is all about showing her the pooooooor sweeeeeeet girl abused by the eviiiiiiiil guy.

North wrote:

Summerfun1980 wrote:

ReneeM wrote:

Summerfun1980 wrote:
No offense, but you don't really know Tyler.  He just know what he tweets.  That doesn't indicate what he truly feels about all this.  He could be like Shawn, who IMO is not a bad man; he just got hurt.   I can't sit hear and pretend like I know Tyler will handle it really well when he is asked or teased about Hannah screwing Peter 4 times in windmill.  But I know most guys in his age range, couldn't handle it and it would cause insecurities and problems.  So, as a fan of his, I'd rather he walk than stay with Hannah (yes, I believe they are already together).  I don't see it going well for him, and he needs to remove himself from her mess.  JMO  

None of us know any of these people, we form judgements based on what we see on tv and their sm and interviews. It's my opinion that no matter what happens Tyler will defend Hannah. I think that's a pretty safe assumption given that he's already been doing it. It's also my opinion that if he were to get back with Hannah knowing everything that happened and then used it against her, he would be a d*ck.

Exactly, why I don't want him with her. It is losing situation because unless he also does media bragging about her screwing other men, he will be chastised, even though that's not normal behavior.  He should move on and not put himself in a losing situation where he has to sit there while interviewers say: "well...the real reason Hannah didn't sleep with you is because she was worn out from 4 times with Peter in the windmill, right?.  He will be expected to smile and bear it.  It's unrealistic.  it's already started and probably why he's not tweeting. JMO

If Hannah asks Tyler for another chance and they casually start dating -- why would he be on the media circuit with her? They aren't a final couple, there's no ring (please no proposal), no People cover (at least I don't think so). Let her do her media circuit, explain her decisions, and choices, and then grab pizza with Tyler afterwards. If they decide, they can casually date long-distance, without tons of "couple" commitments.

If they work great, if they go their separate ways, no worries, that's what people in their 20s do. Date.

At this point, what does it matter if it was 4x or 2x in a windmill? And, I'm not so sure she wasn't joking about it.

If they are together tomorrow, they (hannah and producers) will use him for good press because he's the only good thing about this season and they know it. I don't thinks it's fair to him and wish he would run for the hills.  But JMO

Thanks @bluwavz, SC's getting posted in the SC thread

Summerfun1980 wrote:

ReneeM wrote:

Summerfun1980 wrote:
No offense, but you don't really know Tyler.  He just know what he tweets.  That doesn't indicate what he truly feels about all this.  He could be like Shawn, who IMO is not a bad man; he just got hurt.   I can't sit hear and pretend like I know Tyler will handle it really well when he is asked or teased about Hannah screwing Peter 4 times in windmill.  But I know most guys in his age range, couldn't handle it and it would cause insecurities and problems.  So, as a fan of his, I'd rather he walk than stay with Hannah (yes, I believe they are already together).  I don't see it going well for him, and he needs to remove himself from her mess.  JMO  

None of us know any of these people, we form judgements based on what we see on tv and their sm and interviews. It's my opinion that no matter what happens Tyler will defend Hannah. I think that's a pretty safe assumption given that he's already been doing it. It's also my opinion that if he were to get back with Hannah knowing everything that happened and then used it against her, he would be a d*ck.

Exactly, why I don't want him with her. It is losing situation because unless he also does media bragging about her screwing other men, he will be chastised, even though that's not normal behavior.  He should move on and not put himself in a losing situation where he has to sit there while interviewers say: "well...the real reason Hannah didn't sleep with you is because she was worn out from 4 times with Peter in the windmill, right?.  He will be expected to smile and bear it.  It's unrealistic.  it's already started and probably why he's not tweeting. JMO

Is it a losing situation if he... I don’t know... actually really loves this girl? Actually really wants a chance with her? The show and the media surrounding it is so incredibly short term and short sighted. Next week we move on to BIP dramz, and 6 months down the line the audience will be fixated on Peter/Mike’s journey. And by then... if they are together and posting cute $hit on the gram, literally no one cares about Windmill sex, or even Jed. It’s a distant memory and it’s just “omgsssss... they are goals.” Look at exhibit A: Arie and Lauren for proof.

Again, I just see completely different personalities between Shawn/Josh and Tyler. Tyler doesn’t seem like someone that would hold this over her head for years and years (Shawn), or months and months (Josh). He’s just cut from a different cloth. If he loves Hannah, wants a chance with her... he should most definitely take it. It’s not lose/lose. The loss would be living with what ifs and regrets here.

Thank @Bluwavz for bring the video over and @alwaycooking for making the SCs, we appreciate you both

This is the transcript of what Hannah said to presumably Jed where she is wearing the blue shirt and presumably in California based on what posters noted upthread:
“How would you ever be ready to be engaged like what....I have been doing all the freaking steps... and like knew what I want.”

notarose wrote:Tyler told Hannah’s dad he wanted to share a life of faith. Hannah tells the tv audience she and Peter f*cked in a windmill 4 times.
Hmm...

Does anyone know each other on this show?
It’s a sh*t show at this point.
JMO

A good chunk of people think God cares more about doing good and treating people kindly than who you're fcking

Summerfun1980 wrote:
If they are together tomorrow, they (hannah and producers) will use for good press because he's the only good thing about this season and they know it. I don't thinks it's fair to him and wish he would run for the fills.  But JMO

I don't know. Dating is not the same as an engagement -- there's no serious commitment. And they could easily and honestly answer those awkward questions: a lot has happened since the finale, the show was eye-opening for both, they are revising their relationship, trying to reconnect, etc...

Viewers are always clamoring for a couple to date (not get engaged) and this could be the season for it. B/c Hannah, for one, needs some more dating experience!

Tyler seems like a pretty confident guy who could handle himself in interviews. I recall when Chris & Des went through the media rounds people were constantly asking about Des's meltdown over Brooks. Chris handled it very well, and now they're happily married with 2 kids...

sosleepy wrote:

Summerfun1980 wrote:

ReneeM wrote:

Summerfun1980 wrote:
No offense, but you don't really know Tyler.  He just know what he tweets.  That doesn't indicate what he truly feels about all this.  He could be like Shawn, who IMO is not a bad man; he just got hurt.   I can't sit hear and pretend like I know Tyler will handle it really well when he is asked or teased about Hannah screwing Peter 4 times in windmill.  But I know most guys in his age range, couldn't handle it and it would cause insecurities and problems.  So, as a fan of his, I'd rather he walk than stay with Hannah (yes, I believe they are already together).  I don't see it going well for him, and he needs to remove himself from her mess.  JMO  

None of us know any of these people, we form judgements based on what we see on tv and their sm and interviews. It's my opinion that no matter what happens Tyler will defend Hannah. I think that's a pretty safe assumption given that he's already been doing it. It's also my opinion that if he were to get back with Hannah knowing everything that happened and then used it against her, he would be a d*ck.

Exactly, why I don't want him with her. It is losing situation because unless he also does media bragging about her screwing other men, he will be chastised, even though that's not normal behavior.  He should move on and not put himself in a losing situation where he has to sit there while interviewers say: "well...the real reason Hannah didn't sleep with you is because she was worn out from 4 times with Peter in the windmill, right?.  He will be expected to smile and bear it.  It's unrealistic.  it's already started and probably why he's not tweeting. JMO

Is it a losing situation if he... I don’t know... actually really loves this girl? Actually really wants a chance with her? The show and the media surrounding it is so incredibly short term and short sighted. Next week we move on to BIP dramz, and 6 months down the line the audience will be fixated on Peter/Mike’s journey. And by then... if they are together and posting cute $hit on the gram, literally no one cares about Windmill sex, or even Jed. It’s a distant memory and it’s just “omgsssss... they are goals.”  Look at exhibit A: Arie and Lauren for proof.

Again, I just see completely different personalities between Shawn/Josh and Tyler. Tyler doesn’t seem like someone that would hold this over her head for years and years (Shawn), or months and months (Josh). He’s just cut from a different cloth. If he loves Hannah, wants a chance with her... he should most definitely take it. It’s not lose/lose. The loss would be living with what ifs and regrets here.

Just because you love something doesn't mean it's good for you. Luke/Jed not good for Hannah.  Hannah not good for Tyler. IMO I firmly believe that love isn't enough.  You need a lot more to make a relationship work.  and I don't see Hannah working with Tyler.  I would give them a month or two, max, before her immaturity became a major problem.  She isn't ready. All JMO

ok is this what supposedly happen, Hannah picked Jed. Since the decision she has found out that Jed has or had a girlfriend while doing the show. So some think she then went back to Tyler. Am I close? If she chose Jed then he had to be the one she wanted...so if he hadn't had the girlfriend, She would still be with him. In my opinion that 4 times comment was a dig at Jed.

@Summerfun1980 We are just going to have to agree to disagree. Because to me, despite Hannah really effing up (a complicated and high pressure) situation, at all of the tender age of 24, I think she’s actually really awesome and a great person. She’s funny, transparent and open, charismatic, beautiful, assertive, owns up to her mistakes, self aware, goofy...  She’s absolutely a catch. I think Tyler knows it too.

Tyler isn’t perfect. A Bachelor season of Tyler would reveal his mistakes and flaws just like the rest of them. If he’s feeling it with Hannah, by all means he should go for it. Because I absolutely stand by my opinion that this bb girl is a true catch for some lucky guy. Despite making a mistake or 2 (while she was being completely lied to), I don’t think literally anything she’s done on this show or otherwise warrants putting her down so completely or implying she doesn’t deserve great things, or a great man like Tyler. Because she does deserve that, imo.