Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - SHV's - Discussion - *Sleuthing Spoilers* #4

I'm thinking there's holes in our success rate of detecting SHVs this season - and this is despite the fact that sleuthers here are world-class sleuthers and it's incredibly rare that something gets past us without being at least suspected if not 100% confirmed. IIRC we have strong suspicions that there was a SHV with Jed after the end of filming and before the s**t hit the fan. But we have these holes:

1 - There was supposedly a filmed break of the engagement after the People Magazine reveal on June 18.
2 - There was a complete breakup of the relationship after the RS podcast with Haley revealed cheating on June 27.

And unless I missed it (which could well be) we don't have any indications that Hannah and Jed met for either of these two events yet at least one, if not both, could have been / should have been filmed.

Lucas15 wrote:I'm thinking there's holes in our success rate of detecting SHVs this season - and this is despite the fact that sleuthers here are world-class sleuthers and it's incredibly rare that something gets past us without being at least suspected if not 100% confirmed. IIRC we have strong suspicions that there was a SHV with Jed after the end of filming and before the s**t hit the fan. But we have these holes:

1 - There was supposedly a filmed break of the engagement after the People Magazine reveal on June 18.
2 - There was a complete breakup of the relationship after the RS podcast with Haley revealed cheating on June 27.

And unless I missed it (which could well be) we don't have any indications that Hannah and Jed met for either of these two events yet at least one, if not both, could have been / should have been filmed.

Maybe it is footage of each of them separately texting their break-up? And all we'll see is screenshots of text messages and fast fingers flying over their phones. It is the digital age, after all...

All kidding aside -- the filming of the break-up has always puzzled me b/c it didn't register on the sleuthesr's radar...unless it was much earlier than reported and one of those earlier SHVs was the actual break-up.

Lucas15 wrote:I'm thinking there's holes in our success rate of detecting SHVs this season - and this is despite the fact that sleuthers here are world-class sleuthers and it's incredibly rare that something gets past us without being at least suspected if not 100% confirmed. IIRC we have strong suspicions that there was a SHV with Jed after the end of filming and before the s**t hit the fan. But we have these holes:

1 - There was supposedly a filmed break of the engagement after the People Magazine reveal on June 18.
2 - There was a complete breakup of the relationship after the RS podcast with Haley revealed cheating on June 27.

And unless I missed it (which could well be) we don't have any indications that Hannah and Jed met for either of these two events yet at least one, if not both, could have been / should have been filmed.

I am wondering if RS info is slightly off and the breakup happened during the suspected Fathers Day weekend meetup? I still think that weird barely 2-day Memorial Weekend SHV made no sense since Hannah did not have a job she needed to return to and Jed didn't seem to have anything going in terms of bookings. That Saturday morning when he returned to TN he went fishing with his friends. Why not stay through the Monday as most of the couple usually do? Combined with the "you're shady" sunglasses IG story Hannah did that weekend, I wonder if that is when he told her about Haley and she became angry and the visit ended early? Perhaps the two subsequent SHVs were simply done at producer behest to chronicle the relationship breakdown?

North wrote:snipped
All kidding aside -- the filming of the break-up has always puzzled me b/c it didn't register on the sleuthesr's radar...unless it was much earlier than reported and one of those earlier SHVs was the actual break-up.

Well as you can see from the rest of this post - I am totally with you @North

msjr wrote:snipped
I am wondering if RS info is slightly off and the breakup happened during the suspected Fathers Day weekend meetup? I still think that weird barely 2-day Memorial Weekend SHV made no sense since Hannah did not have a job she needed to return to and Jed didn't seem to have anything going in terms of bookings. That Saturday morning when he returned to TN he went fishing with his friends. Why not stay through the Monday as most of the couple usually do? Combined with the "you're shady" sunglasses IG story Hannah did that weekend, I wonder if that is when he told her about Haley and she became angry and the visit ended early? Perhaps the two subsequent SHVs were simply done at producer behest to chronicle the relationship breakdown?

That's a great point and I never really looked at it that way. I think I was so focused on the June 18 People Magazine article being the "trigger" of a breakup and the June 27 reveal about "Barbie" being the last straw that it never occurred to me that the real breakup could have happened before either of those "triggers". Since no one knew to look for it and it was well hidden, we just never saw it for what it might well have been.. Maybe the dots we need to connect are the reveal (possibly still in Greece) of "something" about a GF back home which caused Hannah to re-evaluate what she thought she knew / was led to believe about Jed and that was enough for her and the Memorial Day "Happy Couple Weekend" was really a filmed breakup weekend. The later reveals only served to confirm in her mind that she was right to have broken up.
JMHO

I’ve never believed that People would run that reveal without the Bach team being informed it was coming, or possibly being the ones who told the mag the story. So my theory is that Hannah knew the dirt immediately after frc and the breakup was done, at least unofficially by tptb standard, within the first two weeks after Hannah’s return to the states. Just my gut opinion.

BlueTone wrote:I’ve never believed that People would run that reveal without the Bach team being informed it was coming, or possibly being the ones who told the mag the story. So my theory is that Hannah knew the dirt immediately after frc and the breakup was done, at least unofficially by tptb standard, within the first two weeks after Hannah’s return to the states. Just my gut opinion.

Not gonna say that I think your gut is wrong here. Filming ended around May 10 and Memorial day was May 27 - so just about your 2 weeks.
JMHO

both hannah and jed  were missing from the thursday or friday before father’s day until the next tuesday or wednesday. people here were getting distressed because they couldn’t place tyler with hannah but noticed jed was missing. then they both did the father’s day post in the same way and almost at the same time and that’s when we pretty much knew jed was f1 and they were having an shv.

that weekend they got a heads up about hayley because abc got one from people magazine  they could have broken up then and been filmed imo.

ilovecarbs wrote:both hannah and jed  were missing from the thursday or friday before father’s day until the next tuesday or wednesday. people here were getting distressed because they couldn’t place tyler with hannah but noticed jed was missing. then they both did the father’s day post in the same way and almost at the same time and that’s when we pretty much knew jed was f1 and they were having an shv.

that weekend they got a heads up about hayley because abc got one from people magazine  they could have broken up then and been filmed imo.

This info seems like a smoking gun that Jed was F1 at the FRC, but why the original Tyler-is-F1 spoiler?

ilovecarbs wrote:both hannah and jed  were missing from the thursday or friday before father’s day until the next tuesday or wednesday. people here were getting distressed because they couldn’t place tyler with hannah but noticed jed was missing. then they both did the father’s day post in the same way and almost at the same time and that’s when we pretty much knew jed was f1 and they were having an shv.

that weekend they got a heads up about hayley because abc got one from people magazine  they could have broken up then and been filmed imo.

Yeah, this what gives me pause about the whole Tyler has always been F1. Hmmm... SM just tells a different story and that story includes Jed, imho.

I would be curious to take a poll and see how many think Jed is the original F1 and how many think Tyler is the original F1.  How can we make this happen?  

I just don’t see how both missing on social media and posting similar pics is a proof they were actually together.  We also know that Hannah knows she’s being watched and people were looking for proof of her being with Tyler. I really think all the sm antics were just to push TPTB’s storyline at their insistence. The magazine article dropped the same time. All of this is suspicious to me. I can’t shake the feeling of TPTB pulling everyone’s strings.

Summerfun1980 wrote:I just don’t see how both missing on social media and posting similar pics is a proof they were actually together.  We also know that Hannah knows she’s being watched and people were looking for proof of her being with Tyler. I really think all the sm antics were just to push TPTB’s storyline at their insistence. The magazine article dropped the same time. All of this is suspicious to me. I can’t shake the feeling of TPTB pulling everyone’s strings.

I don't think they go to that great of lengths to fool the public. They know RS is out there. They know he spills info. Sometimes it's right and sometimes it's wrong. RS seems to have wrong info to begin with, but he usually corrects it before the season is over, scmiiw. Note to RS: Better double and triple check your sources again. The bottom line is people will still watch to the end, even with spoilers out there. Is RS going to be wrong three times? Uh, I don't know about that.