Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - July 22 - MTA - *Sleuthing Spoilers*

@ttimmons and thanks for the info!

Was Mike sitting at the end or ?

Alanna wrote:

Pattycake92 wrote:

bleuberry wrote:@sosleepy totally forgot that he liked the tweet of Lauren Zima stanning the windmill. If any guy can overlook what happened before he got the girl, it's Tyler IMO.

Gotta say that’s some weird behavior though. He can support without liking stuff about Peter and Hannah having sex. It either was Tyler she did it with or maybe Hannah and Peter are the final couple and Tyler is supportive of them. I just can’t see him liking that comment and also making the whip cream and cheery on top comment unless it’s him though.

I agree. I can’t you guys I’m trying but cannot. It’s too much for any future bf to make those comments and jokes. He can support without the jokes.

I’m so confused by this whole season. Is it possible he’s supportive as a friend? Maybe because he’s friends with Peter too and he’s no longer emotionally attached to Hannah? Playing devil’s advocate her because nothing makes sense anymore.

ttimmons wrote:Hannah seemed pretty defensive when it was made to seem like fantasy suites = sex.  So I'm not sure if she actually slept with all 3.  When Hannah was trying to get Luke to leave the rose ceremony, and she brought up if she slept with anyone on the fantasy suites that Luke would leave, the edit cut to Tyler.  My friend who was with me thought that meant she slept with Tyler at least.  I remember Jed and Hannah looked like they were naked in bed the morning after.

Another thing.  Luke claims that Hannah told him and his church group that sex in the fantasy suite wasn't gonna happen so that's what made him bring up that topic of conversation with her during the date.  Chris then asks Hannah about that and if that's true and she says it's not. Who knows who is telling the truth.

I for one do not think she had sex with all of them. I just don't. She kissed 6 guys total before coming on the show and despite the fact she is not a virgin, she is a very devout Christian whose faith is clearly very important. She has been shown to be conflicted between her own sexuality and her religious beliefs. I even got the impression she regretted having had sex in the past. That does not lead me to see a woman who will gleefully bed all three guys...on national tv at that...with her family watching! It just doesn't compute. I think one and my money is on Tyler.

sosleepy wrote:Ok, I've had time to sit and process.

Ultimately, does it really even matter if it's Peter?  She f***ed him, maybe twice, and that was it.  Next thing we know, shes going into a date with Tyler and is really craving and wanting more from him.  That says something.  She didn't want to just f**K in a yacht.  She wanted and needed that emotional connection with him too.  That's pretty telling, and it completely discredits that Tyler was just her physical connection guy.  No way.  To me the physical connection guy was Peter.  As for why she used the windmill as weaponry against Luke - The windmill is the most unique location for her sexcapades.  Much more of an impact to throw out windmill sex than boat sex or run of the mill hotel sex.  Also, it might show that her connection with Peter was far more superficial to just throw it under the bus like that. She was holding her connections with Jed and Tyler closer to heart.  All of this does make me feel a little sad for Peter, but I'm also assuming this is his major set up for The Bachelor. (Of which I won't be watching, cause good Lord, I need an emotional break after this season.  In fact, I may just retire. )

So why did Hannah and Tyler joke about it?  Idk.  People do weird things.  It does show me that they have a level of comfort and understanding between them to be so open about this - like they have already discussed the Windmill privately and have moved on.  Even taking out the huge IG flirting situation - we still have like 56 clues pointing to them being in contact, and either being together, or at the very least considering it. Tyler being so in the know to openly discuss Windmill sex (even if about another guy, and super telling that its not Jed, cause that probably cuts too deep and close to home) is a pretty big tell to me.  It also shows me that this was like 3 months ago, and a million things have happened in these peoples lives since Windmill-gate.  Like they've moved on to bigger and more important issues, ya know?  

I have to say, its ultimately pretty funny to me that after all of this, Windmill sex wasn't Jed.  Her F1 really is inconsequential in so many ways.  Peter, man.  I mean, separate yourself and its funny that he's potentially that guy.

I really love all of this but especially the end. I think Hannah and Tyler are a long shot to end up together so I'm just gonna be satisfied with the fact that there were cracks in the Hannah/Jed relationship on Hannah's end too. Like, even if Jed didn't have a gf, this relationship was gonna struggle out the gate because of Luke, all the sex, her continuing to light up about Tyler after the season, etc. it's one thing to sleep with your F2, but THREE. Not sl*t shaming, that just tells me he wasn't a lock for her. None of them were. FS are making me believe Hannah when she said last episode that her frontrunner fluctuates depending on who she's with at the time. The user here who gave info about MTA says there's a clip of her in her FRC dress emotional, getting out of a car, falling down. Was Mills actually being honest for the first time in his life that she was genuinely super torn at the end? That was gonna be another problem in Jed and Hannah's relationship even without the gf. All jmo.

Sharnee wrote:Who said she had sex with all three ? I think it was just her F1.

i would think she only had sex with her f1 too. but if i am reading the mta spoilers correctly, she has sex with peter in the windmill, has sex with tyler in the fs. the only one there isn’t a spoiler about is jed. i have zero question about that though.

i can’t tell if the peter and tyler spoilers are conflicting, complimentary or simply untrue. monday can’t come fast enough.

Lucas15 wrote:

ilovecarbs wrote:how does hannah reconcile having sex with three guys with her christianity? something is not adding up imo.

IMO Hannah's Christianity may not be a conventional view. She gave an extensive interview on the Vial Files on Jun 9 where she said:

"My faith has drastically changed in terms of how I view my faith. Honestly the biggest thing is the Jesus still loves me thing."
"You can be a good person and not have a religious background. And for a long time, I was like nah, naah (at that concept), when I was younger. But now it's like, no that's so far from the truth! We all have different backgrounds! I mean I had a very strong encounter with the
Lord, but not everyone experiences that, and okay, you're still an amazing person. And I wanna be around amazing people, regardless of what you look like, what you believe, how you act. If you're a good people, you're my people."

This belief of hers is quite different from Luke's for example, and that's why I don't buy into the notion that it was common Christian beliefs that drew her to Luke because they really don't seem to share a common belief system at all. Lucas, I agree with you but it wasn't until late in the season that Hannah realized this - their common label "Christian" is what drew her to Luke, along with his overt caring for her with handing her jacket, going to see her after he sent the dude with the gf home on night 1. It's also why she and Tyler, for example, would be very compatible in terms of beliefs - he may not be particularly religious but he surely seems to me to be a good person. Source

And I've been saying all season that Luke came from a coccoon and may be more comfortable going back to it. Enlightened, mature people embrace those who lead with values and morals, regardless of their race, religion, heritage, educational attainment or income. If Hannah has evolved into this person, then she did have quite the journey! It was my hope that Luke also gained from being exposed to others who are not like him but still are good, decent people.

Lucas15 wrote:

ilovecarbs wrote:how does hannah reconcile having sex with three guys with her christianity? something is not adding up imo.

IMO Hannah's Christianity may not be a conventional view. She gave an extensive interview on the Vial Files on Jun 9 where she said:

"My faith has drastically changed in terms of how I view my faith. Honestly the biggest thing is the Jesus still loves me thing."
"You can be a good person and not have a religious background. And for a long time, I was like nah, naah (at that concept), when I was younger. But now it's like, no that's so far from the truth! We all have different backgrounds! I mean I had a very strong encounter with the
Lord, but not everyone experiences that, and okay, you're still an amazing person. And I wanna be around amazing people, regardless of what you look like, what you believe, how you act. If you're a good people, you're my people."

This belief of hers is quite different from Luke's for example, and that's why I don't buy into the notion that it was common Christian beliefs that drew her to Luke because they really don't seem to share a common belief system at all. It's also why she and Tyler, for example, would be very compatible in terms of beliefs - he may not be particularly religious but he surely seems to me to be a good person.

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oh i understand she’s not conventionally conservative regarding no sex before marriage. so i could see her having sex outside marriage in a committed relationship but i simply don’t think she had sex with all three as the spoilers may be  implying. so i think the spoilers are wrong.

ReneeM wrote:@RizBiz Hannah & Luke were definitely on the couch together at one point because the mod on reddit with the spoilers had in her MTA recap that when Hannah first came out she wouldn't even look at Luke at first until CH pointed out that it was the first time they were seeing each other since everything and that's when Hannah finally looked at him. Hannah was still on the couch when Luke was called away by producers as well according to the spoilers.

i haven’t checked Reddit but is it possible that Luke and Hannah were not on the couch together when it was her turn to come out on stage? That  he was just sitting with the guys when Hannah was on the hot seat with CH and Ch asked her to acknowledge him?

It may be possible that she didn’t want to see him and couldn’t bear to look at him and asked the producers to get rid of him in the break?
I am thinking that she probably blames Luke for “wrecking her season”,  after all the social media fallout .

Here’s what RS said in two tweets.

(MTA SPOILER): One MAJOR thing different with the MTA this year.  The show started with just Chris Harrison and Luke P on the hot seat.  And they talked FOR 2 HOURS.  Obviously it will be heavily edited, but it wasn't til they were done that the other guys were brought on stage.

Then the guys came out while Luke was on stage, and they went at him for about an hour of filming.  Luke was finally done, then order was:
-Cam hot seat
-JPJ hot seat
-Mike hot seat
-Hannah comes out talks to the guys
-Chris closes out show, BIP & finale preview

If this is in fact how it transpired, then Luke didn’t miss out on much of the show. He was called out by production at the very end.

IMO Hannah had sex with all three. I really think a part of this was her breaking away from the image people had of her on Colton's season. I mean, the girl is dancing about boning these guys in the fantasy suites. Nothing wrong with exploring the relationships but a more mature lead wouldn't have made a big show about it, especially if they already knew who their F1 was. I would be worried how he'd react watching this back. There's just a lot of immaturity this season.

Lucas15 wrote:

ilovecarbs wrote:how does hannah reconcile having sex with three guys with her christianity? something is not adding up imo.

IMO Hannah's Christianity may not be a conventional view. She gave an extensive interview on the Vial Files on Jun 9 where she said:

"My faith has drastically changed in terms of how I view my faith. Honestly the biggest thing is the Jesus still loves me thing."
"You can be a good person and not have a religious background. And for a long time, I was like nah, naah (at that concept), when I was younger. But now it's like, no that's so far from the truth! We all have different backgrounds! I mean I had a very strong encounter with the
Lord, but not everyone experiences that, and okay, you're still an amazing person. And I wanna be around amazing people, regardless of what you look like, what you believe, how you act. If you're a good people, you're my people."



This belief of hers is quite different from Luke's for example, and that's why I don't buy into the notion that it was common Christian beliefs that drew her to Luke because they really don't seem to share a common belief system at all. It's also why she and Tyler, for example, would be very compatible in terms of beliefs - he may not be particularly religious but he surely seems to me to be a good person.

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I really appreciate that quote from Hannah as it resonates with me and also the way that Hannah has evolved in the application of her faith which is in stark contrast with Luke. I don’t care what religious beliefs you espouse or not, the bottom line is and should be about your daily actions in your life. Are you a generous, tolerant and honest person? Are you practicing the Golden rule of “treat others as you would like to be treated” ? Or are you judging and condemning people who are not sharing the same beliefs as yours?  Are you coercing them in thinking like you ? Are you making them feel guilty for their way of practicing their faith?
We have multiple examples of Luke’s narrow minded and restrictive beliefs, sexuality being one pivotal one,  juxtaposed with his actions which are far from what he preaches. He lies, intimidate, threatens, blames others , is disrespectful to everyone by constantly trespassing boundaries that are set, selectively twist words from people to make them fit his ‘ poor me , I’m being bullied and misunderstood ‘ guy. He is far from acting like a ‘ good person’ even as he tries and prove it to Hannah. She was surely dismayed and horrified when she saw his clear manipulations and lies behind her back.
I was hoping but not really expecting some form of apology from him, at the MTA if only to save his own image. It looks to me that they gave him plenty of time to do just that, like in the history of the show who had such a 2 hour sit down with CH ? I cannot remember of anybody. And what we hear is that he did not have any regrets except “ that he held Hannah at too high of a standard” W O W ! Again taking 0 ZERO responsibility for his choices, actions and their terrible consequences on Hannah and the whole household of men. They were all in all more than patient with him and had to endure his arrogance and the drama and emotional roller coaster that he put Hannah trough. He robbed them of personal time on several occasions. Instead of apologizing he has the audacity to BLAME HER for not fitting HIS high standards. I’m puking...
He was given more chances than any to show his true nature and it only got worse as time went on, to the point of stalking Hannah and refusing to  physically leave.  He is far from a good example of a Christian and that took Hannah too long to discover. Very sad.
All JMO

alwayscooking wrote:I'm going to give Hannah the benefit of the doubt and say she did not have sex with Peter, I honestly can't see her doing that only to let him go at F3.  

I honestly don't know how the leads can do this role.  You may know who your f1 is but you still have to carry on and basically lead the f2 person on and make them think you're still interested.  That's gotta be tough.

She has to stay engaged with the other contestants but she does NOT have to sleep with anyone and definitely not every one of her final three. I’m not known in any circle as a prude but, three men in three days is so crazy I REALLY just hope she did not do that. All IMO.

Chgohighlife wrote:

alwayscooking wrote:I'm going to give Hannah the benefit of the doubt and say she did not have sex with Peter, I honestly can't see her doing that only to let him go at F3.  

I honestly don't know how the leads can do this role.  You may know who your f1 is but you still have to carry on and basically lead the f2 person on and make them think you're still interested.  That's gotta be tough.

She has to stay engaged with the other contestants but she does NOT have to sleep with anyone and definitely not every one of her final three. I’m not known in any circle as a prude but, three men in three days is so crazy I REALLY just hope she did not do that. All IMO.

I wouldn't be surprised if producers were encouraging her to take them all for a test drive knowing Luke's head would explode.