Re: Bachelorette 15 - Hannah Brown - Spoiled F2 - FAN FORUM #2- **SLEUTHING SPOILERS**

[Summerfun1980]

Everyone is welcome.  I don't necessarily agree with  you, though.  What is the real point of Hannah and Tyler being friends?  Honestly, don't they have enough friends in their lives already?  I think Tyler is mature enough to be able to decide if he wants to take a chance on a relationship with Hannah or not.  There are no guarantees that you won't get hurt in a relationship (bachelor related or not), anyway.  How does what Hannah did on this show indicate that she still wants to mess around now?  That is a big judgment call from a very weird situation.  She wanted to get engaged from the show -- that was a big goal for her.
If people are contestants on this show, you have to be very aware and accept that your chances of getting picked are very slim and there is a strong potential of being rejected and feeling hurt.  Personally, I would never do that to myself.  I am not everyone, though.  JMO.

Because she slept with Peter when he had no chance. I do not believe Hannah ever thought it would be Peter. Has anyone seen anything indicating she had strong feelings for him? That means she slept with him just to do it. That’s indicates that she’s not ready to commit to one guy. IMO It just doesn’t make sense that someone looking for a husband would say she is falling in love with two men, and then on the her first fantasy date have sex with a man that isn’t one of those two? I like Hannah but that indicates to me she’s not really looking for a husband. But still wants to date around.

Tyler might care for Hannah as a friend after going through this process, and I’m sure she would like to at least be cool with one of the men in her final 4. Friendships just happen, even when you’re not looking for new friends. Why wouldn’t Hannah and Tyler want to be friends? I can think of several reasons for them not to want to enter a romantic relationship though...

[Summerfun1980]

You guys remember this is the fan forum. We shouldn't really discuss the other guys in here. 

I honestly don't care what happen in Greece. I do think Hannah and Tyler are at least talking and honestly if all that comes out of it is a strong friendship so be it. I don't really care. I just saw two people that I thought connected on a deep level and sometimes that may not be love. If it happens great. But I am not going to take anything that happen during filming as a sign of what the future is for these 2. All jmho.

Did not mean to get off topic with Peter. Just brought him up to explain why she might not have had sex with Tyler. Sorry!

[BlackHalo]

Hannah and Tyler have definitely been in contact recently as I don't think her family would reach out to him for no reason. Whether it is friendly or romantic is to be determined. I have no doubt in my mind production will egg on a reunion at ATFR. All I can hope for is that Tyler follows what is in his heart and I'll respect it no matter what. JMO.

[Summerfun1980]

^ Same. I’m just praying people don’t get mad at Tyler if he announces they are just friends. I really like Tyler, separately from his relationship with Hannah. So I hope others will too.

[Astrobach]

Everyone is welcome.  I don't necessarily agree with  you, though.  What is the real point of Hannah and Tyler being friends?  Honestly, don't they have enough friends in their lives already?  I think Tyler is mature enough to be able to decide if he wants to take a chance on a relationship with Hannah or not.  There are no guarantees that you won't get hurt in a relationship (bachelor related or not), anyway.  How does what Hannah did on this show indicate that she still wants to mess around now?  That is a big judgment call from a very weird situation.  She wanted to get engaged from the show -- that was a big goal for her.
If people are contestants on this show, you have to be very aware and accept that your chances of getting picked are very slim and there is a strong potential of being rejected and feeling hurt.  Personally, I would never do that to myself.  I am not everyone, though.  JMO.

Because she slept with Peter when he had no chance.  I do not believe Hannah ever thought it would be Peter.  Has anyone seen anything indicating she had strong feelings for him?  That means she slept with him just to do it.  That’s indicates that she’s not ready to commit to one guy.  IMO It just doesn’t make sense that someone looking for a husband would say she is falling in love with two men, and then on the her first fantasy date have sex with a man that isn’t one of those two?  I like Hannah but that indicates to me she’s not really looking for a husband.  But still wants to date around.

Tyler might care for Hannah as a friend after going through this process, and I’m sure she would like to at least be cool with one of the men in her final 4.  Friendships just happen, even when you’re not looking for new friends.  Why wouldn’t Hannah and Tyler want to be friends?  I can think of several reasons for them not to want to enter a romantic relationship though...

I would love to hear more about what those reasons are. Again the whole premise and goal of this show is to find a mate. One thing is certain is that Hannah came in with the mindset of finding a potential husband, naively or ready or not, and Tyler has been candid in saying he came for Hannah, not the Bachelorette.. It may or may not happen and is sure has proven to be a recipe for disaster in many cases but has also provided a few beautiful and strong long term connections. I do see that they have build a very good friendship which is in my opinion a very good foundation for a durable long term relationship. They have crazy physical chemistry and better emotional connection than she has with Peter or Jed.
JMO

[Summerfun1980]

^ Well if she slept with all three and then dumps Tyler for Jed that IMO is a lot for a 25 year old man to handle.  Tyler and Hannah will get crap from all sides, jokes, memes, etc.  Tyler’s friends will know.  I just think it would be a lot for him and tough for him to get over.

The instagram spoiler account who confirmed Peter is windmill guy is also the one that said Peter and Tyler are planning on getting an apartment together in NY and that plans haven’t changed.  It seems that her sources are Peter’s friends.  If she’s right about the windmill, then she’s prob right about the apt.  How on earth is Tyler going to live with Peter and date Hannah when Peter and Hannah had sex, on national tv, in a windmill, and he and the whole world knows about it?  That’s just not realistic to me.  It seems that people think Tyler doesn’t have feelings like normal people...insecurities, jealousy.  JMO. Maybe I am just insecure but, if I were Tyler, any time Peter and Hannah were around each other I’d be thinking about the windmill and whether they are thinking about the windmill and whether they are going to do it again...that’s just a lot to me.

[Floridian1990]

^ Well if she slept with all three and then dumps Tyler for Jed that IMO is a lot for a 25 year old man to handle.  Tyler and Hannah will get crap from all sides, jokes, memes, etc.  Tyler’s friends will know.  I just think it would be a lot for him and tough for him to get over.

The instagram spoiler account who confirmed Peter is windmill guy is also the one that said Peter and Tyler are planning on getting an apartment together in NY and that plans haven’t changed.  It seems that her sources are Peter’s friends.  If she’s right about the windmill, then she’s prob right about the apt.  How on earth is Tyler going to live with Peter and date Hannah when Peter and Hannah had sex, on national tv, in a windmill, and he and the whole world knows about it?  That’s just not realistic to me.  It seems that people think Tyler doesn’t have feelings like normal people...insecurities, jealousy.  JMO. Maybe I am just insecure but, if I were Tyler, any time Peter and Hannah were around each other I’d be thinking about the windmill and whether they are thinking about the windmill and whether they are going to do it again...that’s just a lot to me.

Very interesting points

[Astrobach]

First, WE DON’T KNOW yet who she actually had sex with ...and how much it was part of the selection process for her. I also for my part do think Tyler HAS feelings obviously, and if he would be jealous in some way proves there are feelings that are more than friendship between them. It looks like you think his pride would be hurt enough to not be able to be friends with Peter! Which is fair but I cannot assume that as I do not know him enough to draw that conclusion. Second, I
personally am not sure at all that Jed proposed and that Hannah chose him. So that remains to be seen.
And the context of the shared intimacy is very unusual and happened 2 months ago now, so we do not know what kind of exchange and conversations have taken place between the various parties involved since then.

[Summerfun1980]

You’re right. We will not know until Monday. I might feel differently if that same spoiler account didn’t insist Peter and Tyler still had plans to live together. I just can’t reconcile Tyler living with Peter and dating Hannah, if Hannah had sex with Peter. If I were Tyler I would go crazy with insecurity and paranoia. It would be too much for me to handle and I think most people.

I like Tyler and I like Hannah and I saw a lot of potential as a romantic pairing. But more than anything I want them BOTH to be happy and feel secure and be mentally and emotionally healthy.

[Miyala]

Have it already been noticed that Tyler has 3 new songs on his playlist?

[Chgohighlife]

You’re right.  We will not know until Monday.  I might feel differently if that same spoiler account didn’t insist Peter and Tyler still had plans to live together.  I just can’t reconcile Tyler living with Peter and dating Hannah, if Hannah had sex with Peter.  If I were Tyler I would go crazy with insecurity and paranoia.  It would be too much for me to handle and I think most people.  

I like Tyler and I like Hannah and I saw a lot of potential as a romantic pairing.  But more than anything I want them BOTH to be happy and feel secure and be mentally and emotionally healthy.

I agree with your viewpoint but this is a fan thread so, I’m moving my comments.

I do want to point out however, unlike women, men do not generally let their sexual exploits ruin their friendships so, it makes perfect sense to me that Peter and Tyler could and would still have plans to move in together. They are two hot, fun-loving guys with a shared unique experience and the whole world and thousands of all kinds of women in it are at their disposal. I expect that loyalty and fidelity are important characteristics in a woman for both Tyler and Peter.

All IMO. I’m here for all of it.  

[SeekAny]

Tyler is everything a modern guy should be, IMO. He understands the value of women and how to treat them. That they’re in every way capable and equal. He understands the situation Hannah was in, she was trying to pick a husband out of three guys she had big time chemistry with. I’m quite positive he gets all that. I think whatever happened on the show he can rationalize and move on. If they both want to give it a shot, the show is in the past. The past is the past just like in any relationship. You can’t focus on that for a healthy present and future.

The beauty of Tyler, is he gets it, he’s not going to judge, and if he’s feeling it w Hannah and wants to try, it’s going to be his decision not influenced by any outside influence. I truly believe that. And if you really love someone, sometimes you’re just willing to fight for it, consequences and reason be damned.

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