Bachelorette 15 - Jed Wyatt - **Sleuthing Spoilers**

Just Looking wrote:@Chgohighlife I like your opinion

Lucas15 wrote:

Astrobach wrote:snipped
I’ll give it a try when I’m really prepared...

Good luck with that! The recaps I've read suggest you are going to have to be super prepared and listen only in short installments, leaving plenty of time in between them to wash out your mouth after throwing up in it.
JHMO

Chgohighlife wrote:

blueblues wrote:I have a hard time understanding how Hannah (or anyone) would deserve to be deceived by a lying scum like Jed.

IMO what Hannah deserves is a ton of respect and admiration for the way she handled everything in the last episode.
All JMO

@blueblues
IMO Hannah will not learn a thing until she takes responsibility for ignoring every warning and forging ahead with the second most risky relationship of the four she had at the end. She’s a bad relationship magnet based on her own behavior. Look at how she behaved with Luke. He was basically her season costar.

Hannah got the outcome she deserved. I said it. I meant it. What did Jed tell her, on camera in plain English? He came to the show for his career. As if any moron wouldn’t know that since he performed almost every time the camera was on him. He’s not a gifted liar, he’s a predator. He uses women and yes, he used her. Hannah needs to own her role in that, IMO.

His mother was so brutally honest about how much more important Jed’s music was to him than ANYTHING. His only sister could not have been more honest AND his dad. So much truth telling happened at that HTD that Hannah literally cried. So when she says he was the “safe choice”, I call BS.

She is a pageant queen so, she knows more about the sacrifices and cutthroat tactics people will go to to “win the show” (as Jed infamously stated) than most young women her age. She made the choice she made out of love. I believe that. She loved Tyler, who wouldn’t? but, she was IN LOVE with Jed. Love is not rational, it has heavy influence on every decision and few among us haven’t at some time been a fool for love and lived the consequences good or, bad. So respect is not something I’m willing to give to someone I have not heard admit that and she gets zero credit IMO for breaking up with him. That was 100% the only way she could even walk around the planet without being laughed at everyday. She had no choice and it was heavily edited but it was clear that decision was not made until she was trapped in a corner with no other way out, just like with Luke.

Hannah is stubborn and willful and chases the difficult cases. She doesn’t need to be saved from herself. She needs to learn to save herself. To assess and do what’s best for HER - not fight the opinions of the entire house of men and cancel the cocktail party. Not cry at the end of the HTD and ignore everything you were shown. Not tell the man who shows you zero respect that you “fu**ed” another cast member in a windmill because you need HIS help to dump him. Not totally ignore your parents’ advice.  She needs to develop the strength and judgment people are giving her credit for which IMO she does not deserve. She needs to learn to stop looking for difficult cases to solve. She’s a great girl in many ways. Embrace it and stop looking for, actually fighting for  problems no one needs.  

IMO she will not get better until she stops copping out, admits her own errors and corrects them. Like many others, she has a flaw that can be fixed and many people have done the work and have better lives and truly are stronger because of it. It’s ok to lie to the cameras and the public but I hope this extraordinary experience that allows her to view and assess and correct gaping issues she has with her judgment and decision making process will truly make a positive difference for her. That’s my opinion.

Mommyof2 wrote:Jed was wrong, no doubt about it, but Haley is very naive and just plain stupid to allow him to go on a dating show while she waits back home.  If someone is leaving you for a dating show well...there's your sign.  Jmo.

blueblues wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

blueblues wrote:I have a hard time understanding how Hannah (or anyone) would deserve to be deceived by a lying scum like Jed.

IMO what Hannah deserves is a ton of respect and admiration for the way she handled everything in the last episode.
All JMO

@blueblues
IMO Hannah will not learn a thing until she takes responsibility for ignoring every warning and forging ahead with the second most risky relationship of the four she had at the end. She’s a bad relationship magnet based on her own behavior. Look at how she behaved with Luke. He was basically her season costar.

Hannah got the outcome she deserved. I said it. I meant it. What did Jed tell her, on camera in plain English? He came to the show for his career. As if any moron wouldn’t know that since he performed almost every time the camera was on him. He’s not a gifted liar, he’s a predator. He uses women and yes, he used her. Hannah needs to own her role in that, IMO.

His mother was so brutally honest about how much more important Jed’s music was to him than ANYTHING. His only sister could not have been more honest AND his dad. So much truth telling happened at that HTD that Hannah literally cried. So when she says he was the “safe choice”, I call BS.

She is a pageant queen so, she knows more about the sacrifices and cutthroat tactics people will go to to “win the show” (as Jed infamously stated) than most young women her age. She made the choice she made out of love. I believe that. She loved Tyler, who wouldn’t? but, she was IN LOVE with Jed. Love is not rational, it has heavy influence on every decision and few among us haven’t at some time been a fool for love and lived the consequences good or, bad. So respect is not something I’m willing to give to someone I have not heard admit that and she gets zero credit IMO for breaking up with him. That was 100% the only way she could even walk around the planet without being laughed at everyday. She had no choice and it was heavily edited but it was clear that decision was not made until she was trapped in a corner with no other way out, just like with Luke.

Hannah is stubborn and willful and chases the difficult cases. She doesn’t need to be saved from herself. She needs to learn to save herself. To assess and do what’s best for HER - not fight the opinions of the entire house of men and cancel the cocktail party. Not cry at the end of the HTD and ignore everything you were shown. Not tell the man who shows you zero respect that you “fu**ed” another cast member in a windmill because you need HIS help to dump him. Not totally ignore your parents’ advice.  She needs to develop the strength and judgment people are giving her credit for which IMO she does not deserve. She needs to learn to stop looking for difficult cases to solve. She’s a great girl in many ways. Embrace it and stop looking for, actually fighting for  problems no one needs.  

IMO she will not get better until she stops copping out, admits her own errors and corrects them. Like many others, she has a flaw that can be fixed and many people have done the work and have better lives and truly are stronger because of it. It’s ok to lie to the cameras and the public but I hope this extraordinary experience that allows her to view and assess and correct gaping issues she has with her judgment and decision making process will truly make a positive difference for her. That’s my opinion.

@Chgohighlife I started to write an answer to this, but I realized that I am on this board for fun, so I stopped.
Let’s agree to disagree on just about every single thing regarding Hannah.

Mommyof2 wrote:Jed was wrong, no doubt about it, but Haley is very naive and just plain stupid to allow him to go on a dating show while she waits back home.  If someone is leaving you for a dating show well...there's your sign.  Jmo.

blueblues wrote:

Chgohighlife wrote:

blueblues wrote:I have a hard time understanding how Hannah (or anyone) would deserve to be deceived by a lying scum like Jed.

IMO what Hannah deserves is a ton of respect and admiration for the way she handled everything in the last episode.
All JMO

@blueblues
IMO Hannah will not learn a thing until she takes responsibility for ignoring every warning and forging ahead with the second most risky relationship of the four she had at the end. She’s a bad relationship magnet based on her own behavior. Look at how she behaved with Luke. He was basically her season costar.

Hannah got the outcome she deserved. I said it. I meant it. What did Jed tell her, on camera in plain English? He came to the show for his career. As if any moron wouldn’t know that since he performed almost every time the camera was on him. He’s not a gifted liar, he’s a predator. He uses women and yes, he used her. Hannah needs to own her role in that, IMO.

His mother was so brutally honest about how much more important Jed’s music was to him than ANYTHING. His only sister could not have been more honest AND his dad. So much truth telling happened at that HTD that Hannah literally cried. So when she says he was the “safe choice”, I call BS.

She is a pageant queen so, she knows more about the sacrifices and cutthroat tactics people will go to to “win the show” (as Jed infamously stated) than most young women her age. She made the choice she made out of love. I believe that. She loved Tyler, who wouldn’t? but, she was IN LOVE with Jed. Love is not rational, it has heavy influence on every decision and few among us haven’t at some time been a fool for love and lived the consequences good or, bad. So respect is not something I’m willing to give to someone I have not heard admit that and she gets zero credit IMO for breaking up with him. That was 100% the only way she could even walk around the planet without being laughed at everyday. She had no choice and it was heavily edited but it was clear that decision was not made until she was trapped in a corner with no other way out, just like with Luke.

Hannah is stubborn and willful and chases the difficult cases. She doesn’t need to be saved from herself. She needs to learn to save herself. To assess and do what’s best for HER - not fight the opinions of the entire house of men and cancel the cocktail party. Not cry at the end of the HTD and ignore everything you were shown. Not tell the man who shows you zero respect that you “fu**ed” another cast member in a windmill because you need HIS help to dump him. Not totally ignore your parents’ advice.  She needs to develop the strength and judgment people are giving her credit for which IMO she does not deserve. She needs to learn to stop looking for difficult cases to solve. She’s a great girl in many ways. Embrace it and stop looking for, actually fighting for  problems no one needs.  

IMO she will not get better until she stops copping out, admits her own errors and corrects them. Like many others, she has a flaw that can be fixed and many people have done the work and have better lives and truly are stronger because of it. It’s ok to lie to the cameras and the public but I hope this extraordinary experience that allows her to view and assess and correct gaping issues she has with her judgment and decision making process will truly make a positive difference for her. That’s my opinion.

@Chgohighlife I started to write an answer to this, but I realized that I am on this board for fun, so I stopped.
Let’s agree to disagree on just about every single thing regarding Hannah.

GuardianAngel wrote:We are ALL here to have fun even those that you might disagree with.

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