Bachelorette Australia - Ali Oetjen Season 4 - *NO SPOILERS* - *SLEUTHING* Discussion*

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of course I am in

ps: I had no idea they planned annother one do we have a date?

Since there wasn't any activity here for Nick's season, I've changed the title to Ali's season.

Please read the rules. This is for absolutely NO Spoilers. If you've been sleuthing in the spoiler side up until now, then you are not eligible to participate here as a courtesy to those who want to be truly unspoiled.

Anyone unspoiled?

I do not know how long I will remain unspoiled AND even if I will stay slightly interested with Ali season, to be honest.

I am still unspoiled to this day. I just know what happened during BIP and read a couple of back and forth with Grant.

So here are my thoughts about episode 1

Gosh I forgot the drama exit 5 years ago... you know when she was still looking human not a collagen human. I remember now. It is funny how aussie franchise decided to make us love the F3 in their edits since season 1 and every single F3 after that. Sam Frost, Tara, Brooke.... all F3. And that sucks truly, because I wished I could see multiple love stories at once so I could be confused all along and also be kept on my toes not knowing who would be the F1. Hidding the F1 is for me a stupid trick that will not change, but nonetheless stupid imo.

Season teaser... so I have a pretty good idea who are the top 3 or 4. Top 2, I think is a sandy brunette/blond and the other one is a dark hair. F3 and F4 are also dark hair.

I am thinking, the sandy hair is F1. Voice over: husband, in love... But the dark hair is potentially also F1 just because of the "not a fairy tale" conversation. But IMO, Ali is this kind of woman who cannot accept different opinions and she is looking for a money healthy guy. I remember reading this article about Grand being a liar and a deception because when she arrived in LA, it was not the lifestyle he said he had and I could feel the major deception there.

The edits of the FRC are interesting. Did she make the right choice? Will her love be reciprocated? Osher is sooooo good for drama faces!

Now Meet & Greet. I will know who those guys are...

red dress is pretty but not extraordinary. hair extensions ugly. What is the matter in Australia? no hairdresser can offer clean blond extensions?  

so lets meet the top 4...

#1: Charlie... and here is the top 3 dark hair guy!! The journal romantic guy. sweet. Thoughtful. Same edits as Brooke. "amazing" "yeah" . I think he is the guy she talk with about the "no fairy tale". Because he came out #1 out of the limo, I kinda eliminate him from F1 but F2? possibly.

side note... gezzzz she has big breast!!   I know they are not natural so I can make fun of them. It does not give her a nice figure IMO

#2: Robert... the tomato tie tight pants guy. So of course we will have a cooking date again like tara/matty or romy/nick? The edit is very physical which is not surprising, ali will never go with a soso looking guy... although her taste is quite disputable (eh Grant? I never found him attractive, in fact pretty much repulsive). Soft classical music, so we know he goes far. not the F1 kind of music but at this point maybe prods changed the tune?

#3: Ivan... the tall hip hop funny weird guy. Funny music out of the limo. not at all romantic. But since he is edited #3 in order of arrival, I will think he is top 5 or 6. Really? making dancing moves at introduction with no music? ok sure, it breaks some ice but definitely not the right way to make a romantic impression uh? Ali was not impressed.

#4: Nathan... haha...he has the sandy hair but I am not sure if he is the guy I noticed in the teaser and #4 position out of limo and the first to have an intro. But he is a carpenter... is he enough fancy for Ali? Music is not F1 alike. He looks very in love with himself... mmmm.... The big bear gym party guy eh? "I am here to find love".... and looking all around him except Ali   "I want to know you very organically?" really?   I think I am going to have fun with this one. ohhhhh and the 14 years old moustache??? damn they did good for casting this one!!!

#5 Bill aka David... nice music out of the limo, so he goes far. A bit too feminine for me. The guy who was not born with the right name. shall we call him "the wrong name" . He is totally awkward, mechanical plumber in Victoria.... came for the right reasons cute and nervous... yep, ali liked him. I am thinking top 4?

So it seems that the top 3 are above... It is hard to tell. A sandy blond goes far and he is A LOT featured in the teaser, including romantic dates (kissing in the lake waterfall?). who is he?

For me, Charlie, Robert, Nathan and Bill... but I am thinking F2 is not in there.  as usual completely hidden.

and here comes the weirdos and bad boys and among them probably the F2? (I am thinking the short short dark hair guy?)

side note: I LOVE the Scottish guy!!! va va va voom   I am not into long hair but he looks very much a sunny coast surf guy and damn, scottish? my heart! Probably will not stay long  

annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd here is our villain of the saison: Paddy!!

OMG how could the prods do not put the lamb guy with the knight guy and the guy in the middle???? of course they would!! Too bad the bear guy could not fit in!!!

the sweet arse guy. the lamb gentleman guy.

HAHA !!!!!!! TODD the knight!! please meet the top 2 guy, potentially F2!! that is the sandy blond we see so much in the teaser!! Soft music and all. yep top 2 definitely! "how in the hell I am gonna choose?" .... yep, Ali liked him a lot!! The interesting edit is that he is seen the last one joining the guys.

so far she got really strong reactions for Charlie, Robert, Bill and Todd. Those are IMO the top 4. Top 2 would be Todd and Bill ?? Robert F3, Charlie F4?

ok now the cocktail boring pissing contest party.... will watch later  

based on the order of arrival on the red carpet, I would say:

Bill F1... the shy awkward guy, cute, nervous + ali reaction. He is definitely seen a lot in the teaser but not as much as Todd, so for me a bit hidden. Because forme #3 and #4 are not valid options. He looks nice but again, a bit too feminine for me.

Todd F2 ... because he is too obvious during season teaser for not be + last arrival which was spectacular and funny. He has the perfect personality for the fun, sweet, chemistry, perfect on paper edit... but

Robert F3 ... order of arrival... seems that #2 is F3. Very decent guy. Viewers will probably like him a lot.

Charlie F4 ... I sense the ''already in love with Ali before his arrival'', so too good for not keeping him unless top 4. I found him a bit intense. Nice, but intense. I think his personality will be his downfall. I think he is the one with ''fairy tale do not exist''.

That is my first impression. However, Todd may be a surprise. Especially because of the voice over: husband, in love.

Ali looked really devastated to reject F2. I noticed that the ''goodbye'' has light grey suit but when she is crying another dark suit is coming to her. Osher was also in grey. So I wonder who is this dark suit? crews are generally not in suit at all. Was she rejected by F1? I am more thinking that prods wants us to think that way. Her top looks like FRC. Is the ''goodbye'' the FRC or the F3??

I will share my comments about the cocktail later.  

cocktail episode 1

pack of wolves.

nothing really interesting as usual. who is pissing the farther? Who has it bigger?

ohhhh jules ....................... I love you but again not sure you will stay long

ouahhhh it is cold !!!!

paddy who?

sooo how many times they edited the kiss on replay again to make it non stop?? 4, 5 times???

so obviously she could not find a better place to give the wild rose to Bill.

Ivan first, Todd second....... yep, Toddy boy is definitely top 2!

Now... I am not sure I like Bill. Something is rubbing me the wrong way and not sure what. Most guys are decent and of course paddy poop is there to stir the pot and we shall have him for the next 5 episodes..........................

So Billy boy is the guy to watch as I thought.


side note: I HATE those botox lips that hardly move when they talk... Kiera is the same and pretty much all the contestants who did it ... it is ridiculous and not classy google

episode 2

well that sucks. I think I do not like Billy Boy. . Something rubs me the wrong way. Too cocky? Too aggressive? Too strategic? Too sure of himself? the way he talks? the way he looks? all of the above?

I still have a soft spot for Jules.

many zoom cameras on Todd, Robert and Charlie, and Bill... those are definitely the top 4. Robert is also going to be the season sweetheart F3. I feel it. They already edited Charlie with ITM for "the girl he was waiting for"... so I am thinking he will be edited as Cass from Nick season and therefore F4.

Right now Bill is coming strong... too strong? I did not see much of Todd...

Charlie SD

adrenaline date. generally given to F1 but no way Charlie is F1. But with this date, he managed to secure his F4 position. It is quite obvious that he decided before his arrival that Ali was the one.

side note: I so dislike ali's laugh ..... #cringingmoment

Charlie speech? OMG...... clinger clinger bell 10 5 stages here.... he knows her less than few hours with no conversation and bam, already telling her that he is seeing him falling in love??? Truth is that right after his elimination, he will be the first to find a partner. mark my word!! .... welcome to Paradise buddy!!

Ali body language says the contrary of what she says. she pulls away from him when he tried so hard to bring her over him.


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and here is why I do not feel this Billy Boy... mocking charlie because he does not want to kiss and tell... nope. I am not going to like him.


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note: still very little of Todd so far... lets see the group date.

Group date photoshoot - episode 2

how to be uncomfortable wearing a speedo on a catwalk... Good job Ivan! Awe Jules did not have the body but he is still funny awkward. Who is the third guy again?

Paddy??    that was hilarious!! Robert being her sexy husband?? yeah... totally not set up to make him look great.

note: and here are our first sponsor ad: FIT ME!!

Ali: robert and paddy are very different guys, in fact they could not be more than polar oposite

.... and yet, Ali, you will be forced to keep him around for another 4 episodes....

boys are feeling threatened by Robert the tomato guy... and I think they should. He looks like a very decent man indeed and way more good looking than Billy Boy.

taite and ali? mmmm chemistry there for sure. so F5 I am guessing?   His red carpet was totally hidden.

so out of all the guys, it was Robert that she thought about... And Robert is the FIRST ONE that she initiated the kiss. At that moment, Robert was the frontrunner.

Charlie reminds me physically of Sasha...


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and Ivan reminds me of courtney.

Rose ceremony

so she is definitely calling her favorites first. Robert first. Interesting because on first ceremony Todd was second after Ivan... and now almost the last one?

Robert
Taite

Todd who? again very hidden on this episode.

note: on this episode, her hair were nicer.

next episode.... oh oh... Nathan ready to be butchered about the rumors.... that are probably not rumors.... disgusting things? really Ali?

oh and the rise of Billy Boy next expisode too...

I saw few connections with some guys but obviously edited. Ali is overall acting well but her body language is saying another story. So far, she is very physical with a lot of guys... meaning conversation? zero.

oh well...

there is something that I am thinking for a while: the F1 position during the official contestants photoshoot episode 1

at times I find that more coincidental than anything but it is still funny to check

if I look at those pics the first thing I notice is that Bill would be F3 ?

Regarding the F1, it is a bit more unclear but I am looking at last 2 rows on her right... forgot the names here but either the red suit, the white bow above him and the pink shirt on his right. Those 3 are placed pretty much at the F1 place. We could say that it is the contestant who received the wild rose or wild card or whatever but I do not recall Louise receiving anything??    Plus now we know that it is not an automatic F1 clue in the aussie franchise. Unless we are to admit that Brooke was the initial F1? then Louise was the initial F1 and therefore Bill will be F1???   It will sure be interesting to see if Billy Boy is F3..

the F2 is more hidden which is normal as they came much later. But Todd on front like does not look very much F2...




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so I am thinking about the order and I am confused...

I know by the teaser that Todd goes far. Hidden ep2 although his M&G was memorable and the last one seen
Charlie got the first death of single date. Portrayed like Cass: already in love before his arrival
Robert got the perfect and lovable edit (Ali: I though of you all afternoon, and took him away to kiss him)
Bill is position on pic on the F3 position. So far not a very good edit as seen as pushy/cocky
Tate got the romantic alone photoshoot. Memorable only because of the comments of the guys

Ali seems to enjoy the attention and her comments on ITM looks like she is more preoccupied by physical stallions than the full package.

However, the 2 guys that IMO stood out are Robert the tomatoe and Tate the winter cover book. Both guys we could hear the other guys saying they were the guys to watch..... always a sign that the lead showed a lot of interest.  I have no idea who is this Tate guy. I do not even remember his M&G.

So far, somehow, Billy Boy fell down from the totem....

Per order in the teaser


Robert ... car
Todd... car
GD: gladiators
Todd... body painting? make up (GD photoshoot?)
Tate... tarzan and jane
Ivan... red carpet
Robert... red carpet
Bill... red carpet
older guy... red carpet (taking her in his arms)
Ivan dancing (robert and ? watching)
sports reporter guy... boxing
bill... kissing laughing in car
ali on swamp boat
charlie and ali kayaking
charlie and robert
ali and robert kissing on boat in sidney
robert and ali on boat in Sydney
tate and ali talking and almost kissing
jerk guy at episode 1 she is fit
drama ali horrible things about me
Bill and Ivan upset (hands on face)
drama again
charlie talking to tate (?) with jules, jerk guy and ? (charlie: she is not going to forgive... with tate annoying face?)
robert and ali
Robert and ali (Robert: mercy of the gods.... Ali: you are at the mercy of me and our connection)
Ivan and Ali
Charlie in group date talking... what looks like a conversation with Tate (AGAIN?)
Tate and Ali kissing
sister saying that you tell him you like him, he is going to push you away (not verbatime) with shock face ali
charlie and ali: life is not a fairy tale
group date: paddy jerk guy, tate, charlie and bill fighting (oups it is taite on tee)
drama episode 1 paddy, older guy and nathan
ali crying at coctail
drama again (same)


ali on beach (oooooooooooooo surprised!)
ali and robert kissing
ali and todd (?) with princess white dress
ali and charlie kissing on kayak
ali and todd kissing lake with buoy
ali and todd jumping in his the arms(hometown?)
ali and bill dancing
ali and taite (with an i) kissing after a physicial effort
ali and guy with tattoo on shoulder hugging in sea
ali and todd kissing with a fencing sword with fencing white outfit
ali and todd kissing in waterfall


ali at FRC
osher (grey suit): are you sure you are making the right decision
ali: I am sure
ali crying
grey suit: goodbye (osher voice whispering)

what I thought it was a black suit is just a crew with a long sleeves shirt... which is IMO a crew member. If it was truly a suit which would only be F1, it would not make sense at all. The camera is quickly pushed to avoid the person going to ali. So I call it BAD EDITS.

So.... my conclusion is now

Taite... F1
Todd... F2
Bill... F3
Charlie... F4
Robert... F5

I am quite surprised because I thought Robert would be top 4. The photoshoot and the guys whispering he is a dark horse and ali thinking about him all afternoon... but the mercy of gods moments when ali responded: you are at MY mercy..... she was not truly nice, I felt some jerk knee reaction in this. It did not feel nice. I think somehow Robert upset her... was it during the drama? So This would explain that he is not top 4.

Charlie will keep a top 4 position because she will always remember how he was with her during the building scary date. She will trust him to have her back on every situation inside the mansion even if I feel he will be a major jerk. I think he will mistakenly think he is a favorite when she looked at him as an ally nothing more. He is the first single date, therefore familiar and easy to speak to. I think he saw quickly where ali was attracted to and this is Taite and this is why I noticed this jealous mean talk with taite and him.

Bill is definitely not an option. Way too cocky and drama king... which is good because I do not feel the guy. He makes me cringe.

Todd who? that is interesting because totally hidden so far except the 2nd part of the teaser. Without this, I would have never put him top 2. I believe he will be edited like every single F2... late bloomer.

the first part of the teaser, we see Taite kissing ali a lot and Charlie seems to have a bone against him. Ali seems truly into Taite compared to the other guys. Her body language is different. She is speaking and cannot help it to kiss him. The FRC part is a major clue, very little clue because he is mostly hidden but it makes no sense with all the kisses in first part to do not see him at FRC. Completely hidden episode 1 and 2 so far except the intimate cover photoshoot moment with the guys behind. Also the official contestants photo... taite is at the F1 place....

What truly surprised me is Taite. But it is plain obvious when I watched the season teaser that he is the hidden F1. In the teaser, ali spoke to Taite only. Major clue. Charlie seems very jealous of Taite too (seen 2 times talking to him and also fighting in group date) I believe the guy with the tattoo on his shoulder is Taite too at fantasy date and Todd, as I thought from the start, will be F2 (waterfall)

until further clues, this is right now my conclusion.