Arie Luyendyk Jr - Lauren Burnham - Bachelor 22 - Discussion #4

stuckinsc wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

sosleepy wrote:I definitely don’t think you can completely invalidate this source. Not at all. It simply is an unsubstantiated rumor. But just like we can’t say it for sure happened, nor can we completely say it didn’t.

Personally, lots of things the neighbor talked about can be validated (the fact he lives there, the sombrero, the parking situation), so I tend to believe the spreadsheet could be factual as well. JMO.

IMO, it's just rumors till there is proof.  Right now there is no proof, just an idiotic vindictive neighbor that is trying to get attention IMO.  Therefore, IMO, believing what that crackpot is saying is an extreme stretch.

[/u][/u]I don't think the neighbor is a crackpot, and you yourself scolded me during JPG's season about making comments about Claire's mental health as improper pronunciations of craziness can lead to horrible consequences. So while you may not like the neighbor and what he has revealed, I would ask you to show the same courtesy for this neighbor as you asked me to show to Claire. Crackpot is a degrading word linking to mental illness, as you reminded me back then it is best to not use words like this.

I understand you do not trust this neighbor, and that is your right, but it would be best to not comment on his mental health is a derogatory manner, as you so rightly pointed out to me with others in the past. IMO.

stuckinsc wrote:

I also know Arie is a great liar and I have proof. He was telling Becca ILY the week before the breakup while simultaneously talking to Lauren and planning the breakup. So Arie is a proven liar. The neighbor actually admitted all his lame and pathetic behavior and even admitted that he let Arie’s ex treat him the way Arie treated her. While, I have no proof of him telling the truth, I saw him readily admit flaws. Arie lies and made excuses for his. So IMO, I chose to believe the neighbor.
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Regarding the bolded, IMO, BKay was referencing how the neighbor is lying.....NOT Arie.  IMO, it is so apparent that the neighbor is attention seeking, vindictive, and just a flat out crappy neighbor that I am glad that Arie/Lauren don't have to deal with his stupidity anymore.  All IMO,

I appreciate that you and @BKay think the neighbor is lying, I did understand and stated that I believe that we have proof of Arie's lies and not of the neighbors. I happen to think Arie is lying and I am happy his neighbors don't have to deal with him once his house closing is done. IMO.

stuckinsc wrote:

JMO, people who are telling the truth don’t get caught lying either. Arie has shown himself to be a liar, so I am inclined to believe others over him. That is my personal opinion. I think Arie gets caught in his lies, because he lacks empathy for others, so his lies are all about what is easiest for him, IMO. Again IMO, he doesn’t care about others enough to cover his lack of truth.

In the case of the spreadsheet or any of the other things the neighbor said, Arie has never denied any of it. His supporters are the ones claiming the statements are untrue. Arie has not spoken on the subject at all. IMO, if you believe in the neighbor has more to do with your overall impressions ofArie. I find him to be selfish and self-centered, so the claims of the neighbor all seem reasonable to me. All JMO.

With the bolded, maybe Arie thinks it is so ludicrous that it doesn't deserve the attention that the idiotic neighbor is desperately seeking.  All IMO.  Personally I am claiming that the neighbor is an idiotic vindictive neighbor that is living next door to a famous person so is attention seeking.  Personally I am thankful that Arie isn't giving him what the redicilous neighbor wants and instead is keeping to their lives and enjoying the love that they obviously share.  Great for them that they don't have to deal with that crappy neighbor anymore after they move to their new home....ALL IMO

I have no idea what Arie thinks, I stated as fact that Arie has not commented, so belief in the neighbor or Arie is simply opinion on both of our parts. The "ridiculous neighbor" posted once on Reddit, answered questions and then did not post again, he was threatened based on his post, and deleted it. The continual posts were made by the neighbors current girlfriend. All her posts are still up on Reddit if you care to check them out. IMO, perhaps the current girlfriend is attention seeking, not the neighbor himself. He told his story once, one place and then deleted it. We have not seen it pop up on any gossip sites at all, which would support the neighbor seeking attention.

IMO, the neighbor was stuck living near a rude inconsiderate man who started this situation years ago, but attempting to place himself in the neighbors relationship. We have proof of the interaction with a neighbor year's ago from Arie's own tweet at the time. I think both Arie and the neighbor as described acted like idiots, neither comes out of this looking good. I respect that the neighbor has not attempted to name his and Arie's shared ex and has stayed off Reddit after being threatened. This is all my opinion.

The substatiated stories of Arie renting out his condo as an Airbnb, which we know are true from the Airbnb listing. I think the Airbnb listing also mentioned the lack of garage parking, which supports the idea that Arie may not have had space in his garage to park his truck. The accusation of parking in the lone handicap space which are partially supported by google earth images showing the complex indeed has one handicapped space and it is near Arie's condo. The fact Arie called out a neighbor on twitter years ago, shows me that at least part of the neighbors claims are true. If I lived near Arie these actions would irritate me, so I do sympathisize with the neighbor. I again I understand if you do not. I will continue to respectfully state my opinion and hope that you will do the same.

All is JMO.

stuckinsc wrote:

Aunties_Love wrote:

sosleepy wrote:I definitely don’t think you can completely invalidate this source. Not at all. It simply is an unsubstantiated rumor. But just like we can’t say it for sure happened, nor can we completely say it didn’t.

Personally, lots of things the neighbor talked about can be validated (the fact he lives there, the sombrero, the parking situation), so I tend to believe the spreadsheet could be factual as well. JMO.

IMO, it's just rumors till there is proof.  Right now there is no proof, just an idiotic vindictive neighbor that is trying to get attention IMO.  Therefore, IMO, believing what that crackpot is saying is an extreme stretch.

[/u][/u]I don't think the neighbor is a crackpot, and you yourself scolded me during JPG's season about making comments about Claire's mental health as improper pronunciations of craziness can lead to horrible consequences. So while you may not like the neighbor and what he has revealed, I would ask you to show the same courtesy for this neighbor as you asked me to show to Claire. Crackpot is a degrading word linking to mental illness, as you reminded me back then it is best to not use words like this.

I understand you do not trust this neighbor, and that is your right, but it would be best to not comment on his mental health is a derogatory manner, as you so rightly pointed out to me with others in the past. IMO.

stuckinsc wrote:

I also know Arie is a great liar and I have proof. He was telling Becca ILY the week before the breakup while simultaneously talking to Lauren and planning the breakup. So Arie is a proven liar. The neighbor actually admitted all his lame and pathetic behavior and even admitted that he let Arie’s ex treat him the way Arie treated her. While, I have no proof of him telling the truth, I saw him readily admit flaws. Arie lies and made excuses for his. So IMO, I chose to believe the neighbor.
***SNIPPED****

Regarding the bolded, IMO, BKay was referencing how the neighbor is lying.....NOT Arie.  IMO, it is so apparent that the neighbor is attention seeking, vindictive, and just a flat out crappy neighbor that I am glad that Arie/Lauren don't have to deal with his stupidity anymore.  All IMO,

I appreciate that you and @BKay think the neighbor is lying, I did understand and stated that I believe that we have proof of Arie's lies and not of the neighbors. I happen to think Arie is lying and I am happy his neighbors don't have to deal with him once his house closing is done. IMO.

stuckinsc wrote:

JMO, people who are telling the truth don’t get caught lying either. Arie has shown himself to be a liar, so I am inclined to believe others over him. That is my personal opinion. I think Arie gets caught in his lies, because he lacks empathy for others, so his lies are all about what is easiest for him, IMO. Again IMO, he doesn’t care about others enough to cover his lack of truth.

In the case of the spreadsheet or any of the other things the neighbor said, Arie has never denied any of it. His supporters are the ones claiming the statements are untrue. Arie has not spoken on the subject at all. IMO, if you believe in the neighbor has more to do with your overall impressions ofArie. I find him to be selfish and self-centered, so the claims of the neighbor all seem reasonable to me. All JMO.

With the bolded, maybe Arie thinks it is so ludicrous that it doesn't deserve the attention that the idiotic neighbor is desperately seeking.  All IMO.  Personally I am claiming that the neighbor is an idiotic vindictive neighbor that is living next door to a famous person so is attention seeking.  Personally I am thankful that Arie isn't giving him what the redicilous neighbor wants and instead is keeping to their lives and enjoying the love that they obviously share.  Great for them that they don't have to deal with that crappy neighbor anymore after they move to their new home....ALL IMO

I have no idea what Arie thinks, I stated as fact that Arie has not commented, so belief in the neighbor or Arie is simply opinion on both of our parts. The "ridiculous neighbor" posted once on Reddit, answered questions and then did not post again, he was threatened based on his post, and deleted it. The continual posts were made by the neighbors current girlfriend. All her posts are still up on Reddit if you care to check them out. IMO, perhaps the current girlfriend is attention seeking, not the neighbor himself. He told his story once, one place and then deleted it. We have not seen it pop up on any gossip sites at all, which would support the neighbor seeking attention.

IMO, the neighbor was stuck living near a rude inconsiderate man who started this situation years ago, but attempting to place himself in the neighbors relationship. We have proof of the interaction with a neighbor year's ago from Arie's own tweet at the time. I think both Arie and the neighbor as described acted like idiots, neither comes out of this looking good. I respect that the neighbor has not attempted to name his and Arie's shared ex and has stayed off Reddit after being threatened. This is all my opinion.

The substatiated stories of Arie renting out his condo as an Airbnb, which we know are true from the Airbnb listing. I think the Airbnb listing also mentioned the lack of garage parking, which supports the idea that Arie may not have had space in his garage to park his truck. The accusation of parking in the lone handicap space which are partially supported by google earth images showing the complex indeed has one handicapped space and it is near Arie's condo. The fact Arie called out a neighbor on twitter years ago, shows me that at least part of the neighbors claims are true. If I lived near Arie these actions would irritate me, so I do sympathisize with the neighbor. I again I understand if you do not. I will continue to respectfully state my opinion and hope that you will do the same.

All is JMO.

stuckinsc wrote:~snipped

XQZME wrote:

FLChica wrote:IMO I think we all choose to validate a source when we want to embrace their "truth". A perfect example is the decades-long myth proven as fact each year by NORAD (North American Aerospace Defense Command).

The myth NORAD perpetuates each year is documented by radar tracking, photos and real-time video. Millions of people view this evidence each year! 

What does NORAD prove? The existence of Santa Claus and his yearly trip around the world in one night. Ho ho ho!

Hey now...don’t be dragging on my NORAD Santa tracker

Even at my age I get excited for Xmas eve and tracking “Santa”.  My adult kids do too and can’t wait to have babies so they can experience the same excitement they had growing up with NORAD.  

My hubby spent five months at NORAD, about ten years ago, and got a behind the scenes look at the amount of work that goes in to giving people one day of excitement.  It is a year around job!  

Wow, comparing NORAD and Santa to Arie. I am at a lost. To quote Becca, apples and starfish. JMSO.

ReneeM wrote:I CANNOT http://betches.com/arie-lauren-bought-house-together/

GuardianAngel wrote:@blueblues thanks. No wonder I couldn't find it, it was too old. I thought it was recent. That means there weren't any nasty tweets directed to the neighbour recently in response to the posts on reddit.

Statements of opinion are not statements of fact, and so theoretically are protected from libel suits.

Sometimes statements of opinion really are viewed as statements of fact, depending on the circumstances. In this case, the average person may very well look at your statement as a statement of fact. The bottom line: Just because you phrase something as a statement of opinion -- "I think" or "I believe" -- does not automatically protect you from a defamation claim.

it is a good idea to exercise the utmost caution and avoid making any "gray area" statements that could be construed as defamation.